Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[dreday3]

It you think your media is bad at least they don’t read a whole various scenario report by our scientific committee and decide to focus on the very worse case scenario and how we may need to cull cats and dogs

Next Covid variant 'could kill one in three people'

Research presented to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS - which kill 35 per cent of infected people - could be on the way.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well...if it does happen, it will be much easier to contact trace and control since it's so deadly.

Silver lining?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

White House frustrated with 'hyperbolic' and 'irresponsible' Delta variant coverage

A version of this article first appeared in the "Reliable Sources" newsletter. You can sign up for free right here.

www.cnn.com

It’s being hyped beyond belief without context in the media. A very good article that also explains the Massachusetts breakthrough in context

“They got it wrong," she said. "The reason why the guidance is changing is that Covid-19 is spreading really quickly, Delta is a big problem, and the reason for the spread is because of the unvaccinated." Wen said the primary reason the CDC needed to change its mask guidance is because the honor system wasn't working. In other words, people who were not vaccinated were acting as if they were and not wearing masks or following other basic safety protocols...”

I just read that. What a shame.

And I hate that we are a people who just read a news headline and nothing further, then spread the hyperbole of the news headline, and so on and so on.....

It's also being hyped beyond belief right here in this thread!

Regardless of whether you think people are being hyperbolic (we aren't), the Cape Cod outbreak exposed the false thinking that those who are vaccinated and do become infected don't spread the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated.

 

[Touchdown]

Regardless of whether you think people are being hyperbolic (we aren't), the Cape Cod outbreak exposed the false thinking that those who are vaccinated and do become infected don't spread the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated.

Which honestly is not surprising, if you get the disease you should expect to be infectious. The key however is that your chances of getting the disease is only 10% the chance a non vaccinated individual gets it in that scenario.

It makes sense why the masking in high spreading areas was brought back. If you don’t live in those areas, you should probably not vacation in one. I would cancel any trips to Florida in the next 4 weeks, but I don’t have any plans thankfully.

 

[lisa12000]

Well...if it does happen, it will be much easier to contact trace and control since it's so deadly.

Silver lining?

Haha I wouldn’t need to worry I’d probably be in jail after protecting my pets lol

 

[dreday3]

Regardless of whether you think people are being hyperbolic (we aren't), the Cape Cod outbreak exposed the false thinking that those who are vaccinated and do become infected don't spread the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated.

Well, it wasn't false thinking until Delta came along.

 

[dreday3]

Haha I wouldn’t need to worry I’d probably be in jail after protecting my pets lol

Exactly!

Come for my cat, I come for your family.

(relax all, just kidding....or am I? )

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Well, it wasn't false thinking until Delta came along.

Exactly. New ballgame for the unvaccinated...they can't assume that just because someone is vaccinated that they can't transmit Delta.

 

[Bob Harlem]

Regardless of whether you think people are being hyperbolic (we aren't), the Cape Cod outbreak exposed the false thinking that those who are vaccinated and do become infected don't spread the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated.

"As easily" is questionable based on the context of Provincetown. I don't think most people are randomly kissing strangers at Disney World.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

"As easily" is questionable based on the context of Provincetown. I don't think most people are randomly kissing strangers at Disney World.

A vaccinated person who is actively infected with Delta sheds as many virus particles as a person who is unvaccinated. That equals "as easily".

A vaccinated person does not become infected with Delta as easily as an unvaccinated person.

 

[lisa12000]

Exactly!

Come for my cat, I come for your family.

(relax all, just kidding....or am I? )

Ha! I wouldn’t be….

 

[Chi84]

"As easily" is questionable based on the context of Provincetown. I don't think most people are randomly kissing strangers at Disney World.

That's true. The CDC study does say the findings are subject to limitations, including "demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions." So they are acknowledging these limitations on the study.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Pretty good write-up on the situation:

'The sky is not falling': Provincetown outbreak shows vaccines work, even against Delta

A combination of high vaccination rates and renewed masking appears to have significantly slowed growth of the Provincetown cluster just as that cluster was making national news.

www.yahoo.com

This section confirms what I thought:
If it is able to take root, the Delta variant appears to replicate with disturbing speed, so that “the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar,” said the CDC study. While breakthrough infections remain rare, when they do happen, they will almost certainly lead to heightened transmission.

So breakthrough infections are still rare but when they happen the viral load is much more likely to be high enough to infect others with Delta.

If that's the case, then let those who don't want a vaccine take their chances?

 

[DonniePeverley]

The politicisation of vaccines, masks is really depressing to see in the USA. There is no other country in the world behaving this way, most are desperate for a vaccine, and in the USA you literally have a massive surpless. My family in Malaysia queued up for 6 hours a day for a week to get a vaccine, eventually getting one on the 6th day. Queues everyday.

Social media has been a terrible influence too.

 

[DonniePeverley]

If that's the case, then let those who don't want a vaccine take their chances?

Pretty much so.

 

[Touchdown]

If that's the case, then let those who don't want a vaccine take their chances?

The sky is falling for you. Delta is as infectious as chickenpox. Before that had a vaccine nearly every human on the planet got that virus, so one can reasonably assume every unvaccinated person on the planet will get Covid thanks to delta (if you haven’t already.)

 

[danlb_2000]

White House frustrated with 'hyperbolic' and 'irresponsible' Delta variant coverage

A version of this article first appeared in the "Reliable Sources" newsletter. You can sign up for free right here.

www.cnn.com

It’s being hyped beyond belief without context in the media. A very good article that also explains the Massachusetts breakthrough in context

“They got it wrong," she said. "The reason why the guidance is changing is that Covid-19 is spreading really quickly, Delta is a big problem, and the reason for the spread is because of the unvaccinated." Wen said the primary reason the CDC needed to change its mask guidance is because the honor system wasn't working. In other words, people who were not vaccinated were acting as if they were and not wearing masks or following other basic safety protocols...”

I agree that the media is overhyping this, but let's not pretend this is something unique to Covid.

 

[DisneyFan32]

The sky is falling for you. Delta is as infectious as chickenpox. Before that had a vaccine nearly every human on the planet got that virus, so one can reasonably assume every unvaccinated person on the planet will get Covid thanks to delta (if you haven’t already.)

Just waiting for next month to start downtrending the wave by October. As Delta variant burned to the end soon. As booster vaccines is soon to be approval by FDA/EUA soon for future variants by end of August or September/October or November.

 

[GoofGoof]

Regardless of whether you think people are being hyperbolic (we aren't), the Cape Cod outbreak exposed the false thinking that those who are vaccinated and do become infected don't spread the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated.

A vaccinated person who is actively infected with Delta sheds as many virus particles as a person who is unvaccinated. That equals "as easily".

A vaccinated person does not become infected with Delta as easily as an unvaccinated person.

Yes, it does provide the first concrete evidence that fully vaccinated people who are infected can indeed infect other fully vaccinated people. What we don’t know is how they infected each other. The implication from the original story was it just happened through casual contact but when more details emerged it became clear that it was more likely through more intimate close contact and/or direct transfer of infected saliva. No guarantee that’s how everyone was infected but likely that many were. To me that’s much less concerning for the average person than if the spread was occurring in a grocery store or in a restaurant or some other public setting with casual contact.

What I said from the beginning of this report being leaked is that while it confirms fully vaccinated people can spread Covid they are still much less likely to have a breakthrough infection so much less likely to be spreading Covid. In other words unvaccinated people are still much more likely to be spreading Covid than fully vaccinated people. The vaccines still work very well at preventing even mild infection. The efficacy appears to have dropped below 90% with delta but 88% is still very good. The reason for the change in guidance is not because of rare breakthrough infections it’s because of the level of community spread (which is the reason for the red/orange/yellow map). 88% efficacy still amounts to 10s of thousands of breakthrough infections a week when you are seeing hundreds of thousands of infections overall so there is some added risk to fully vaccinated people to be both infected and to be potential spreaders. Adding masks back for everyone hopefully helps bring down community spread by getting the unvaccinated to mask up again. We just need more businesses and state/local governments to embrace the change.

 

[Chi84]

Headline in today's paper: "Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as the unvaccinated, study finds" Does anyone know if the CDC has any evidence other than the Cape Cod data to support this? Because I've read that study and it seems to have significant limitations that are not being picked up by media reports.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well...if it does happen, it will be much easier to contact trace and control since it's so deadly.

Silver lining?

I think me, you and @Disney Experience should get together for a beer some time.