Humankind. Lol. Anyways, I don’t see any unvaccinated people clamoring for masks. Notice it’s only the vaccinated people who are demanding masks. If they’re vaccinated it literally does not matter for them.
Then why did the CDC just say that I (fully vaccinated) should be wearing a mask indoors? That's my point. The change in guidance is telling me that they don't.
Because you're looking for reasons that nothing will help.
OK. So I ask again, if they reduce transmission then why am I being told by the CDC that I should be wearing a mask when I am fully vaccinated?
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I disagree with this. What the CDC is really saying is that we don’t have enough people vaccinated to avoid large outbreaks of Covid like we are currently experiencing. Since the honor system failed and unvaccinated people failed to continue recommended mitigation the best way to get them to comply is to make everyone go back to masks indoors temporarily. This move in no way is downplaying the effectiveness of the vaccines. In the part about fully vaccinated people spreading Covid they repeatedly said in rare cases. Mitigations were dialed down in May because we were ramping up vaccinations and cases were dropping. Cases spiked, we ramp back up mitigations, cases drop we dial back. This will continue indefinitely until either we get enough people vaccinated or enough people are naturally infected (really a combo of both). As a fully vaccinated person there isn’t much you can do. Our sole focus should be on whatever it takes to get the rest vaccinated.
Because the honor system didn't work. There are far too many dishonorable people
You know the answer.
Because reduce does not mean stop.
Because there's no way to feasibly require & enforce that all non-vaccinated people wear masks. This isn't complicated at all. It's anti-vaxx non-maskers ruining it for everyone, and the end result is that now we're back to near-universal masking until we can get children vaccinated and while individual government agencies and business entities roll out vaccine mandates. None of this is hard to understand, but then, you're arguing in bad faith anyway
It has nothing to do with this. Stop talking this up, it’s not true.
This line of thinking is so March of 2020. We went over this hundreds of times last year. COVID is not an isolated disease. It can cause a respiratory illness that then puts people in sepsis, which then can knock out any vital organ through many different mechanisms. It doesn't matter if they're hospitalized with a pure COVID respiratory disease or COVID-triggered septic shock with resultant myocardial infarcts, kidney failure or stroke... COVID was the trigger.
It’s not lying. If the only reason was transmission from vaccinated people it would be nationally not in high spread areas. It’s obvious that the real reason is spread is too high in some areas. You wearing a mask does nothing to stop that, but everyone wearing a mask in public can help because “everyone” includes the unvaccinated. It’s not about you it’s about the group.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say, I just think you brought it across much better. I was basically saying that I do not see Covid ever becoming completely eradicated, but mostly harmless as the vaccine and natural immunities start playing out.It could eventually. The measles vaccine was invented in the 1950s but measles wasn’t eliminated in the US until 2000. It may take some time but we have a much more robust system of manufacturing and delivering vaccines today than 50 years ago.
There’s no reason to make a vaccine for a mostly harmless virus. If Covid becomes endemic but mostly harmless than it will never be eliminated or eradicated. If it stays harmful and deadly it could eventually be eliminated in most places. It’s probably up to the virus to decide how it wants to play this
It absolutely is a real distinction. You can have covid with no symptoms. What if they only have the sniffles but are in because of a broken leg or a heart attack? Who knows? The data needs to be more specific.
The non-high spread areas are becoming more rare by the day. As of the latest map, a huge part of NJ is now orange. Orange and red are starting to dot PA, OH and NY. The only States with large swaths of low spread are the very rural areas in the Dakotas, Montana and Nebraska.