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It’s embarrassing for the US quite frankly. And if you look at the actions of the people, and the officials… it’s like the pandemic doesn’t really exist anymore.
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It’s embarrassing for the US quite frankly. And if you look at the actions of the people, and the officials… it’s like the pandemic doesn’t really exist anymore.
Sign. America.
As a fully vaccinated family for us the virus is over. I am more than happy to accept the .08% chance of something bad happening in order to return to normal.
As for the rest we make choices and live with the consequences.
I’m not sure what anyone hopes to do at this point. Unless we get some sort of mandate requiring vaccination or a vaccine passport the numbers will stay largely the same.
correcaminos
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Being gentle here.... the AZ/Oxford vaccine is great. But against Delta it is showing about 60% effective with 2 shots and 33% with one. The mRNA shots are around 90% effective against Delta. This is not a dig on AZ at all as AZ is a US company. It's just the mRNAs are better. The J&J shot is similar technology and they are suggesting mixing with mRNA vaccines to get best chances to fight Delta.For the last time, I have posted the government viewpoint twice before,
Astra Zeneca has almost identical effectiveness 92% against hospitalisation against 96% for Pfizer. We are fine with the vaccines we have. We are also continuing to vaccinate quickly without having to offer incentives.
We began vaccinating early starting with the elderly and most clinically vulnerable and if you look at the BBC report it is those groups that will be offered the boosters initially. What is the problem?
Vaccines highly effective against hospitalisation from Delta variant
New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.www.gov.uk
None of this is something to be defensive about either. Truly a valid point why some should get a 3rd booster. Otherwise to be fair this isn't based on any real science so far to do so.
Good thoughts and likely why. Otherwise I really do question the necessity of doing so when globally other places need the vaccines more.
Disney Experience
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According to the current literature I am a a rare exception. Pfizer Phase 3 trial participant full vaccinated in late September . A few weeks ago I still had antibodies from the vaccine and never had covid. (Results from blood donation).
June 15th I came down with moderate to severe covid. (102.9 Fever for over a week, all covid symptoms other than loss of taste and smell, 20lb lost in two weeks.). I just returned to work today. Pfizer overnighted a swab to me to get a sample during the first week, and had a courier pick it up. But I was told they will not tell me what they discover from it.(such as which variant etc, I am just a number to them).
I had to go to ER, but the EMT who came to my house when I had difficulty breathing and SP02 was going down said, "Oh you have covid, there is no treatment for that so you do not need to go to hospital.....but we will take you there if you want". Luckily I had covid-19 with bronchitis, mild dehydration (They added a liter of fluids to my blood), low blood salts. But was good enough to go home. Once the fevers stopped a week + into it, I still was out of breath (SPo2 in 80s) if I went to the sidewalk and got mail). Took two days for primary physician to respond and she then ordered Pneumology stat, lung function, and xrays. Took two days for pneumology to set up a "virtual appointment", and since they called on a Friday they set it up for Monday (How are they going to know my lung condition virtually I asked. Their response was I had covid so I cannot come in. I responded I am more than 10+ from covid start and clinically no fevers so am considered over the acute stage of covid itself. If I have bacterial pneumonia, etc then virtual will not help, by the time I get appointment either I will be getting better (i.e. breathing issues are acute not chronic) or I will have degraded and have to head to emergency. As it was I got better so cancelled the appointment on the day of the appointment. (Hate to think with all of their delays if I had gotten worse).
My wife who is part of the Moderna trial and was vaccinated in Mid october did not come down with symptomatic covid [But was not tested either].
Just glad to be breathing good and no longer sick. Still surprised being fully vaccinated and getting moderate to serious covid. My guess (and it is just a guess, Pfizer will not tell me what they find out about the variant I got) is I guess I got delta.
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Disney Analyst
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But you are not really the problem, you've done what you can.
The problem is leadership making changes that every American are following regardless of vaccination status. So now you still have more than enough people to keep transmission going, which can still stress the health system, and still creates high risk of further mutations.
Delta is already showing in Australia to be transmitted within seconds, without any direct contact.
The approach happening in America and many countries is short sighted, and selfish IMO. It puts the entire North American continent at risk, and ultimately the world.
I even believe my promise is being extremely premature right now. But alas, all I can do is get my second dose and wear my mask in crowded public spaces.
Kevin_W
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Thanks for relating your account. I'm sorry to hear you had to go through all that, but am glad you are feeling good now.
Wendy Pleakley
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For the last time, I have posted the government viewpoint twice before,
Astra Zeneca has almost identical effectiveness 92% against hospitalisation against 96% for Pfizer. We are fine with the vaccines we have. We are also continuing to vaccinate quickly without having to offer incentives.
We began vaccinating early starting with the elderly and most clinically vulnerable and if you look at the BBC report it is those groups that will be offered the boosters initially. What is the problem?
Vaccines highly effective against hospitalisation from Delta variant
New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.
To be clear, I'm right there with you on AstraZeneca being a great vaccine.
However, the reality is it's less effective against overall infection. Does it help make COVID manageable? Of course. Are there slightly better options that contribute to herd immunity a bit more? I think so.
I was happy to take AZ because it meant being fully vaccinated months ahead of schedule. I'm not super old so I'm confident with the level of protection it affords me. If we had the same supply the USA had, it might have made sense with mRNA. This makes sense short term, and the numbers are proving even the single doses are getting the pandemic under control.
Long term, getting that extra bump of protection mRNA vaccines offer make sense as well, so it's not surprising that the approach might be to take whatever is available right now, and boost it if deemed effective a little later.
I never said there's a problem, we knew boosters were coming, just that I hope they can be safely held off long enough to provide vaccines to the rest of the world. My partner's elderly parents, in Malaysia, are under pretty strict lockdown conditions and were only able to get a first dose a week or two ago. Meanwhile, North Americans are packing theme parks with little to no worry.
DonniePeverley
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UK now on 28,000 cases in a day. Up from 2000 cases a few months ago and a massive vaccine rollout. Delta is now 100% of all cases. If this translated to the USA this would mean 150,000 cases a day. The USA is believed to be around 4-8 weeks behind the UK.
Next week if things continue with this surge, UK is predicted to hit 40,000 - 50,000 cases, especially with mass events like the football Euro's taking place.
Next week if things continue with this surge, UK is predicted to hit 40,000 - 50,000 cases, especially with mass events like the football Euro's taking place.
correcaminos
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I am so glad you are better. While this does sound bad, I cannot help but think that maybe it would have been far worse had you not been vaccinated. I have been thinking of you lately and relieved to see this good update. Not good you were sick, but glad it didn't turn worse.
Curious, was your swab expired? We were just asked date of ours since we have ours on us and have had since day 1 of trial. Mine is good through fall though.
You can’t really do a 1:1 comparison because the US has a much larger amount of people with natural immunity. Alpha did not really make a splash here despite causing major issues in the UK. While there are some regional hot spots in the US we are not really seeing any large moves nationally. Could it be because we are “behind” the UK and we will see the same thing here? Maybe, but then again maybe not. We’re just going to have to wait and see. Personally, I think there will be some regional outbreaks but I don’t think we will have a nationwide increase at this time, maybe this fall but not during the summer.
I can’t wait to relive the last 15 months with the same arguments. Yay.
DonniePeverley
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1) The UK and USA have around the same levels of immunity - both have had terrible large waves. The UK if anything has a worst set of figures per 100,000 people, so in theory there should be more immunity in the population. The vaccination rates are both very high.
2) The Alpha variant ripped through the USA during around the time of the elections when cases surged.
Chi84
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The UK's Covid vaccine program and delta surge means it's now a test case for the world
The U.K. has one of the highest Covid vaccination rates in the world yet it's seeing a surge in cases. Where the U.K. treads, others could follow, experts fear.
www.cnbc.com
Flugell
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I appreciate that you are being gentle and over the last year we have agreed on almost everything but please read the government assessment I included. It is analysis regarding effectiveness of vaccines in relation to the Delta variant.
Since writing that I have googled it again and there is an interesting variety of answers! The research based in the U.K. state that AZ is comparable with the MRNA vaccines if you have had both doses. The ones based in the USA claim a wider gap between effectiveness in favour of the MRNA vaccines. So who knows which is correct but undoubtedly either vaccine is better than nothing.
I also googled Astra Zeneca the company and it is a mixture of Astra, a Swedish company and Zeneca a British company who merged in 1999.
It is a Global company now so although we regard it as a British company I have no doubt that you regard it as an American one!
As for additional boosters, please bring them on as my 72 year old husband is immunosuppressed and any additional protection would be much appreciated!
Since writing that I have googled it again and there is an interesting variety of answers! The research based in the U.K. state that AZ is comparable with the MRNA vaccines if you have had both doses. The ones based in the USA claim a wider gap between effectiveness in favour of the MRNA vaccines. So who knows which is correct but undoubtedly either vaccine is better than nothing.
I also googled Astra Zeneca the company and it is a mixture of Astra, a Swedish company and Zeneca a British company who merged in 1999.
It is a Global company now so although we regard it as a British company I have no doubt that you regard it as an American one!
As for additional boosters, please bring them on as my 72 year old husband is immunosuppressed and any additional protection would be much appreciated!
DonniePeverley
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LONDON — The U.K. has one of the highest Covid-19 vaccination rates in the world, yet it’s seeing a new surge in coronavirus cases largely attributed to the delta variant that first originated in India.This article says that so far the vaccines have proved largely resilient to the delta variant and not many vaccinated people have been hospitalized. I don’t know what it will take to get more people vaccinated here, though.The UK's Covid vaccine program and delta surge means it's now a test case for the world
The U.K. has one of the highest Covid vaccination rates in the world yet it's seeing a surge in cases. Where the U.K. treads, others could follow, experts fear.
Experts say that close attention is being paid to the latest data out of the U.K. as it could be a bellwether for others. And there is a fear that where the U.K. now treads, others — like the U.S. — could follow.
“All eyes (are) on UK Covid trends,” Kallum Pickering, senior economist and director at Berenberg Bank, said in a note Tuesday.
ABQ
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As we are discussing the sky rocketing cases in the UK, it warrants once again a comparison of cases and severity of illness by juxtaposing case counts with hospitalizations.
Case rate is going up like today's Falcon 9 launch (WDW guests may have heard the sonic boom around 3:30 PM)
However hospitalization rates, though certainly increasing do not resemble the daily case count trend at all.
Perhaps it's simply a case of the UK population is generally more healthy than the US (I can believe that) and they are able to handle this variant at home vs in hospital, but as each day of massive cases goes by and the hospital cases bump up just a little, I'm less and less worried that Delta will overwhelm the system.
Case rate is going up like today's Falcon 9 launch (WDW guests may have heard the sonic boom around 3:30 PM)
However hospitalization rates, though certainly increasing do not resemble the daily case count trend at all.
Perhaps it's simply a case of the UK population is generally more healthy than the US (I can believe that) and they are able to handle this variant at home vs in hospital, but as each day of massive cases goes by and the hospital cases bump up just a little, I'm less and less worried that Delta will overwhelm the system.
Bastet
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In the UK as of 4 days ago, there were around 1700 people recorded as being admitted to hospital due to covid. As of today (30th) deaths reported in the last 7 days were 113 within 28 days of a positive test. This info was from the you.gov site. AZ vaccine may not stop you catching covid, but it seems to be doing a pretty good job of stopping you dying from it!
Disney Experience
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Got married in October. things seemed to have moved. I thought my swab was in my upper dresser drawer. But when I came down with covid it was not there. I briefly checked my office, but I barely could move or look. So I let the research site know (Voicemail/email , had a hard time ever getting a live person). At this point I did not yet have my initial covid test results. I did get the positive results, told the research site and then they contacted me after talking amongst themselves. I suggested since I lost my swab from Pfizer that they overnight a new one to me since time is critical if I end up getting better before swab is done. They finally did send it (About 2-3 day transpired in this process) but it came to me on the weekend and they had the courier pick it up first thing Monday.
Hard to know if it would be worse if I was not vaccinated. It all depends on how good of a match the antibodies from the vaccine were to the actual virus I got. I am still glad I was vaccinated, it may have helped. But still surprised I got at least moderate covid so many months post vaccination. For now the virus being a variant seems to be (for me) the likely cause of me getting moderate or worse covid-19. I would love to know if it was a variant.
ABQ
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For some more colour on the vaccine impact and how bad things were in the UK hospital system back at the end of Dec and early January when they were dealing with 60k cases per day, the hospitalization rate was near 4k per day
Not that things necessarily trend in a linear fashion, however if the 20k cases per day were increased 3 fold to match the 60k back in January, and you multiple the hospital rate from today the same 3 fold you get 600 per day, not 4k. Tells me that vaccines work....and Delta isn't the end of the world.
Not that things necessarily trend in a linear fashion, however if the 20k cases per day were increased 3 fold to match the 60k back in January, and you multiple the hospital rate from today the same 3 fold you get 600 per day, not 4k. Tells me that vaccines work....and Delta isn't the end of the world.
tbh I cannot believe we are more healthy than the US really. Our case rates are surging very much in the under 30s. For example out of 2000 Scotland cases, 1500 had been to the football match in London. Now there's no reason to believe they got it at the match but actually due to the fact 20,000 of them were partying in the streets before and after - in which case only 1500 is pretty good! School rates are also high, but very little serious illness. Fact is we are 84% one dose and 62% fully vaccinated now - All under 40s have had Mrna vaccines so will be interesting to compare efficacy within these age groups once everyone has been vaccinated who wants so - I would suggest there will be very little difference in efficacy against hospitalisation and deaths for delta for AZ and Mrna vaccines.
In fact, we can very much see this now with 14 deaths today, 20 odd yesterday and 3 on monday despite weeks of increasing cases, and healthcare numbers only going up gently and in increasingly younger people. In care homes last week we had 6 deaths in total; the lowest since the start, and we have very few over 70s dying or requiring hospitalisations. In fact PHE data did show with delta that most of the admittance figures comes from people already in hospital for something else and then testing positive in a routine test - does tend to skew figures slightly especially when routine operations and admittance are almost back to normal levels.
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