Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[AEfx]

The whole point of highlighting the over 30 stat was to point out the disappointment in younger people who aren’t getting vaccinated enough.

No, it was spin to try to confuse folks it like they hit their goal when they didn't. Let's not sugar coat the sugar coating.

 

[Willmark]

General thoughts:

All this over Covid? Can you imagine what happens during the next pandemic? And yes there will be another in our lifetimes. Since SARS in the early 2000s the frequency has been increasing.

Imagine a pandemic with say a 5% fatality rate? 10%?

I don’t think Europe and North America will be ready for the next one either.

This isn’t doom and gloom it’s a objective look at what has happened over the last 20 years.

 

[Parker in NYC]

General thoughts:

All this over Covid? Can you imagine what happens during the next pandemic? And yes there will be another in our lifetimes. Since SARS in the early 2000s the frequency has been increasing.

Imagine a pandemic with say a 5% fatality rate? 10%?

I don’t think Europe and North America will be ready for the next one either.

This isn’t doom and gloom it’s a objective look at what has happened over the last 20 years.

I'd say it's doom and gloom. That is, if I had said it.

 

[DisneyCane]

General thoughts:

All this over Covid? Can you imagine what happens during the next pandemic? And yes there will be another in our lifetimes. Since SARS in the early 2000s the frequency has been increasing.

Imagine a pandemic with say a 5% fatality rate? 10%?

I don’t think Europe and North America will be ready for the next one either.

This isn’t doom and gloom it’s a objective look at what has happened over the last 20 years.

A more severe disease will be easier to control. A big issue with COVID was the large percentage of asymptomatic or extremely mild infections. This caused many infections to be unknown (up to 2/3 depending on the estimates). This made it impossible to control with an isolation and contact tracing strategy. Way too many spreaders who don't know to this day that they were ever infected.

Plus, somebody who is severely ill is isolated by default because they aren't well enough to go to AK to ride FoP.

 

[Willmark]

I'd say it's doom and gloom. That is, if I had said it.

My point is that people are “celebrating the return to normalcy” or debating the merits of the variants, or discussing who or who isn’t getting vaccinated.

In time Covid will lessen and it will recede to the background (but not go away) just like every other virus has typically done.

We’ll get back to squabbling about a whole host of issues as a society and pointing fingers more (if that’s even possible). All the while missing that something much larger is quite possible.

And we’ll still have people wondering/angry it’s impacting their overpriced vacation to WDW

 

[Willmark]

A more severe disease will be easier to control. A big issue with COVID was the large percentage of asymptomatic or extremely mild infections. This caused many infections to be unknown (up to 2/3 depending on the estimates). This made it impossible to control with an isolation and contact tracing strategy. Way too many spreaders who don't know to this day that they were ever infected.

Plus, somebody who is severely ill is isolated by default because they aren't well enough to go to AK to ride FoP.

Depends.

Sure something like Ebola burns itself out so quickly. I’m thinking what about something that is like Covid in transmission but higher fatality.

I haven’t looked lately but survival rate for Covid was around what 98.5% and the healthcare systems of the US and Europe I might had were severely strained.

Now look at it with say 5-10% fatality rate, imagine the impact. Not good.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Maybe two separate attitudes at the start, but now we're approaching a period where we see two divergent outcomes.

We've also seen divergent approaches from leadership, too...depending on the state.

 

[lazyboy97o]

In time Covid will lessen and it will recede to the background (but not go away) just like every other virus has typically done.

This idea that viruses naturally just weaken is nonsense. Plenty of horrible viral diseases maintained their seriousness. We don’t have as many to deal with today largely because of vaccines, a stronger understanding of how they are spread and better treatments.

 

[danlb_2000]

Depends.

Sure something like Ebola burns itself out so quickly. I’m thinking what about something that is like Covid in transmission but higher fatality.

I haven’t looked lately but survival rate for Covid was around what 98.5% and the healthcare systems of the US and Europe I might had were severely strained.

Now look at it with say 5-10% fatality rate, imagine the impact. Not good.

I think his point is that if a virus has a high fatality rate, it's unlikely to cause a lot of asymptomatic cases.

 

[Willmark]

This idea that viruses naturally just weaken is nonsense. Plenty of horrible viral diseases maintained their seriousness. We don’t have as many to deal with today largely because of vaccines, a stronger understanding of how they are spread and better treatments.

Funny the Black Death and the Spanish Flu which had much higher rates of morality did just that. And unless I’m missing something there weren’t vaccines for the Black Death circa 1347 nor the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Thanks for your comments however.

 

[Willmark]

I think his point is that if a virus has a high fatality rate, it's unlikely to cause a lot of asymptomatic cases.

Quite possible. I have no objection to that line of reasoning.

 

[DonniePeverley]

UK now at 16,000 cases in a day - 33% increase in a week. Last month we were on 2000 cases a day.

This is with the vast majority of adults having a vaccine.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Funny the Black Death and the Spanish Flu which had much higher rates of morality did just that. And unless I’m missing something there weren’t vaccines for the Black Death circa 1347 nor the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Thanks for your comments however.

Plague burned itself out because it killed people faster than it could spread. And it did return multiple times after the Black Death pandemic, just not as severe.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Funny the Black Death and the Spanish Flu which had much higher rates of morality did just that. And unless I’m missing something there weren’t vaccines for the Black Death circa 1347 nor the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Thanks for your comments however.

Plague is cause by a bacteria, not a virus.

Spanish Flu was not the first flu, so it first had to become more serious, something you claim doesn’t happen. Nothing stops an influenza strain from again muting to be more serious and this is why the severity of the flu fluctuates.

 

[Willmark]

Plague burned itself out because it killed people faster than it could spread. And it did return multiple times after the Black Death pandemic, just not as severe.

Yes I am aware. I’m also pointing out the subsequent outbreaks of it were less and less.

 

[Willmark]

Plague is cause by a bacteria, not a virus.

Correct. Good point.

Spanish Flu was not the first flu, so it first had to become more serious, something you claim doesn’t happen.

I claimed that? Where? I’ll wait. Looks like you’re in a rush to put words in my mouth. Kindly stop. Read what I wrote again.

Nothing stops an influenza strain from again muting to be more serious and this is why the severity of the flu fluctuates.

Yes and?

I seem to have hit some sort of sore spot. Take it up with whoever set you off on this. And if it’s me? Sorry I’m not explaining as perfectly as you would like.

Signed someone who started wearing a mask in Early March 2020 got vaccinated and is now over all of this. If that stance bothers you I suggest skipping over my comments.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes I am aware. I’m also pointing out the subsequent outbreaks of it were less and less.

Then how do we have so-called superbugs that are more serious and resistant to treatments if the get “less and less”?

Correct. Good point.


I claimed that? Where? I’ll wait. Looks like you’re in a rush to put words in my mouth. Kindly stop. Read what I wrote again.


Yes and?

I seem to have hit some sort of sore spot. Take it up with whoever set you off on this. And if it’s me? Sorry I’m not explaining as perfectly as you would like.

Signed someone who started wearing a mask in Early March 2020 got vaccinated and is now over all of this. If that stance bothers you I suggest skipping over my comments.

What does wearing a mask and getting a vaccine have to do with pushing a bogus idea about how diseases evolve? This claim that diseases always become less serious is simply not true as evidence by all of the way diseases have become worse.

 

[Figgy1]

Funny the Black Death and the Spanish Flu which had much higher rates of morality did just that. And unless I’m missing something there weren’t vaccines for the Black Death circa 1347 nor the Spanish Flu in 1919.

Thanks for your comments however.

There wasn't much in the way of modern medicine for either of those. No flu shots in 1919, no antibiotics or antivirals for either

 

[DisneyFan32]

General thoughts:

All this over Covid? Can you imagine what happens during the next pandemic? And yes there will be another in our lifetimes. Since SARS in the early 2000s the frequency has been increasing.

Imagine a pandemic with say a 5% fatality rate? 10%?

I don’t think Europe and North America will be ready for the next one either.

This isn’t doom and gloom it’s a objective look at what has happened over the last 20 years.

I'm worried about next pandemic in the future.....is the next pandemic will not coming for USA for another years?

 

[Willmark]

Then how do we have so-called superbugs that are more serious and resistant to treatments if the get “less and less”?

What does wearing a mask and getting a vaccine have to do with pushing a bogus idea about how diseases evolve? This claim that diseases always become less serious is simply not true as evidence by all of the way diseases have become worse.

I said always? Where did I say that? I’ll wait.

Looking it over I said recede and typically. No where did I say always.

EDIT: as to your first question on superbugs? I would think the overprescribing of antibiotics has a lot to do with it.