Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

and allow the portion of the human race that chooses to avoid vaccination to just DIE - thinning the "heard". Bingo: "Heard Immunity" - the hard way.

So if you are not able to get the vaccine for medical reasons???

The good news is your wait will be over pretty soon. I believe the 6 months of safety data for Pfizer is already available. I don‘t know if it helps ease your mind or not, but the vaccine itself is long gone from your body already after a month. What’s left are just antibodies and T cells produced by your body that are waiting to attack the virus if it comes back. If there are any long term negative effects of having those antibodies and T cells in your body the same negative effects would occur from natural infection too. It’s highly unlikely to be an issue either way. There is really no known history of vaccines having negative impacts months later but the FDA asked for 6 months of safety data to be extra safe.

Thanks. Posts like this are much more helpful than posts that insult my intelligence level for being hesitant when reading all the disclaimers.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Hopefully NJ and NY will lose mask mandate soon as masks will be removed for good by months @GoofGoof

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Kidney and liver damage from long term drug use is the result of repeatedly using the drug. In those cases people didn’t suffer organ damage from taking one pill. It’s taking the same pill every day for months or years. Vaccines are one and done...or in this case 2 and done

Even ibuprofen - when taken in large doses on a regular basis - can cause pretty terrible damage. A friend of mine burned a hole through her intestine and subsequently needed blood transfusions and iron supplements for nearly a year. She's no longer allowed to take any OTC pain relievers aside from an occasional baby aspirin.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Hopefully NJ and NY will lose mask mandate soon as masks will be removed for good by months @GoofGoof

Hopefully!

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

So if you are not able to get the vaccine for medical reasons???

Thanks. Posts like this are much more helpful than posts that insult my intelligence level for being hesitant when reading all the disclaimers.

Regardless, this will be a CHOICE, out of desire or necessity. All I said is that you will make that choice, for your family. No one else gets to vote.

.... and regardless of choice?
Your choice. My family intends to move on .

 

[Touchdown]

It’s going to be interesting. I plan to sweat a lot so I am not looking forward to unintentionally water boarding myself with a mask .

It wasn’t that different, I was there in Feb and again last week, and we went into the 90s. My mask was as wet at the end of the day as it was in Feb. The only difference was how much the rest of my body was sweating. It’s not like your cheeks, chin and lips have a larger than normal collection of sweat glands, and what you trade in humidity you get an area of your skin not exposed to the sun. Muslim women have worn burkas for years in hot climates, and they haven’t died.

Also remember your breath is 98 degrees and nearly 100% humidity, so it stands to reason that as long as it’s not winter weather, odds are your skin under your mask year long is under Florida summer conditions, because masks block heat escape.

 

[sullyinMT]

I have a hard time believing we’re only doing 1 million daily doses nationally. Is there a break in the reporting system now that pharmacy chains have taken over the bulk of the work? As in, will we get weekly data dumps similar to the early days of testing results when large lab companies joined in?

Not surprised by the slowdown, but 1/2 of the current average seems ridiculous and unbelievable.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Looks like the President already has followed-up on yesterday's discussion on this thread.

President Biden is unveiling his plan to get vaccination rates up.

From the NYT (posted on Yahoo News):

As the pace of U.S. vaccination slows, President Biden announced a shift in federal strategy on Tuesday afternoon away from mass vaccination sites to smaller, more local settings in an attempt to boost the campaign to get more shots in arms.​

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He said that he is directing tens of thousands of pharmacies to offer walk-in appointments for coronavirus vaccine shots, creating more pop-up and mobile clinics and shipping more doses to rural clinics, all aimed at vaccinating 70 percent of American adults at least partially by July 4.​

And later in the article:

In the afternoon address, the president pledged more funding for outreach campaigns designed to convince those reluctant to get shots of the need to protect their own health and that of others.​

Nice to see the President is focused on addressing this issue for all Americans.

 

[GoofGoof]

I have a hard time believing we’re only doing 1 million daily doses nationally. Is there a break in the reporting system now that pharmacy chains have taken over the bulk of the work? As in, will we get weekly data dumps similar to the early days of testing results when large lab companies joined in?

Not surprised by the slowdown, but 1/2 of the current average seems ridiculous and unbelievable.

We are still averaging 2.5M doses a day over the last 7 days, it is new first doses that are around 1M a day on average. There is also a big disparity between weekends and week days. One benefit to having tons of available appointments is people are picking the day of the week that’s best fo them and working people are picking the end of week or weekend to avoid feeling bad and missing a day of work.

 

[DisneyCane]

44k completing their second dose. Which is consistent with the chart I was referring to, which showed about 40k getting second dose.

Second dose lags first dose, obviously.

Fact is, only about 13k first doses are being given per day in Florida right now.

Not correct. 44k got a shot who didn't previously have any shots. Way more than 40k second doses per day right now because 3-4 weeks ago it was around 100k first doses per day.

 

[sullyinMT]

We are still averaging 2.5M doses a day over the last 7 days, it is new first doses that are around 1M a day on average. There is also a big disparity between weekends and week days. One benefit to having tons of available appointments is people are picking the day of the week that’s best fo them and working people are picking the end of week or weekend to avoid feeling bad and missing a day of work.

I agree, but the CDC ticker has bumped by ~1M a day total the last two days. I don’t believe it until it really shows a trend, and currently I hope it points to a general reporting system flaw.

 

[GoofGoof]

I agree, but the CDC ticker has bumped by ~1M a day total the last two days. I don’t believe it until it really shows a trend, and currently I hope it points to a general reporting system flaw.

It’s the weekly up and down. May 1 had 3.3M doses. If you look at the last few weeks it’s becoming quite uneven early in the week vs towards the weekend. It’s overall trending down each week but not at an alarming rate.

 

[Tom P.]

The good news is your wait will be over pretty soon. I believe the 6 months of safety data for Pfizer is already available. I don‘t know if it helps ease your mind or not, but the vaccine itself is long gone from your body already after a month. What’s left are just antibodies and T cells produced by your body that are waiting to attack the virus if it comes back. If there are any long term negative effects of having those antibodies and T cells in your body the same negative effects would occur from natural infection too. It’s highly unlikely to be an issue either way. There is really no known history of vaccines having negative impacts months later but the FDA asked for 6 months of safety data to be extra safe.

Has there ever, in the history of vaccines, been a case where a vaccine has been approved and used and then later shown to have long-term undesired effects down the road, like months or years later? I don't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.

 

[LaughingGravy]

IMO, it's still a bit too early in NJ/CT and NY to do what they are doing and planning. Our fully vaccinated and immunized numbers are not high enough to justify opening up as much as this. They are betting that people will go get shots that haven't and that they will maintain social distancing and masks until they are fully immunized. Yeah.
There are too many people who will claim being vaccinated one way or the other or just not answer the question if asked, claiming HIPPA or some other thing because there is no mandated requirement for documentation unless you want to score a free beer. Others will simply just go maskless as an "I told you this was no big thing, just a variant of the flu."
I have already heard it in the halls at work.
I really hope I'm wrong and that the infected numbers continue to trend down. We've come so far, but I can really see a lot of people ruining it.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I am.

 

[Tom P.]

 

[GoofGoof]

Has there ever, in the history of vaccines, been a case where a vaccine has been approved and used and then later shown to have long-term undesired effects down the road, like months or years later? I don't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.

I don’t think so. There have been vaccines that got full approval that later had the approval withdrawn, but that was for rare side effects that occurred in the first month after being vaccinated and were just so rare that they weren’t linked to the vaccine until years later. Highly unlikely to happen in this case given billions of doses have been given world wide. The side effects are well known at this point. Because of the fact that the vaccine is not in your body for very long it’s highly unlikely to cause a long term negative effect.

Since these ones have microchips and alter your DNA who knows . The DNA part is a joke

 

[LaughingGravy]

So if you are not able to get the vaccine for medical reasons???

It's unfortunate, but like so many others who have limitations, those people will need to live with protecting themselves with masks, washing hands, and distancing longer than the rest of us while the others who choose not to get the vaccine when they can get it inflict more damage. Hopefully, those doing the inflicting don't assault those trying to protect themselves. But, there are a lot of kooks out there.

 

[GoofGoof]

We are truly blessed to be in this position. It’s tragic that some people have decided the vaccine is a political issue or are resisting it for other reasons when so many people around the world are desperate to get their hands on it. Many people thought it was a pipe dream even 3 or 4 months ago that we would have enough doses for everyone who wants one by the end of June. Truly amazing.

 

[havoc315]

Not correct. 44k got a shot who didn't previously have any shots. Way more than 40k second doses per day right now because 3-4 weeks ago it was around 100k first doses per day.

Please provide citation and link.

 

[havoc315]

BATB IMHO has more to do with cutting $$$$$ Thank the Bobs

Exactly. Been saying this for a while. They’ve been using Covid as an excuse for cost cutting.

At this point, there is no reason you can’t have fireworks at Epcot.