Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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SorcererMC

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Not being sarcastic - do you personally know many people refusing the vaccine? Because I do and NONE of them show a sign of backing down. They have dug in hard on this
I know they have. It took my father, who has underlying health conditions, about a month or so to go and do it. Vaccinated people are going to start having social occasions and gatherings with each other, and there will be fear of missing out. Graduations, birthdays, holidays, etc. That creates social norms around getting vaccinated and it starts to radiate out through social networks.
 

ImperfectPixie

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This is a really interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

Left-of-left liberals need to start calming down and focus on the science of this (get vaccinated, wear masks indoors, continue to practice social distancing, get back to some form of life), but it seems they're waiting for 0% risk and that's never coming. I'm liberal, but I've also started to go back out and enjoy outside life now that I'm fully vaccinated. They've allowed themselves to get whipped into a frenzy that has done nothing except push Republicans to be more political about this (and please, Republicans, we need you take the vaccine as well).

Life is going to go back to normal. Summer is coming, mask mandates are dropping, and places are opening back up.
The same could be said for those convinced it's "not a big deal" and "only affects the old and unhealthy".

ETA: That they need to smarten up.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Democrats as a whole are probably over concerned about the virus, Republicans as a whole are probably under-concerned. The truth is in the middle.
Agreed 1000%.

Same with the vaccine. I’m not for or against it but people are on extreme sides telling others it is wrong to choose to get it or not and I have a problem with that.

There is no FDA approved vaccine. That’s an important piece of information many people seem to want me to ignore.
 

DisneyCane

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So in 1 week... drop of about 50,000 per day.. to just 13,000 per day in the last 2 days, in terms of first dose.
75% reduction in 1 week.

Hopefully the upcoming approval of 12-15 gives a bit of a jolt, though it's a pretty small age bracket. Hopefully some of the new steps taken by the Feds to make walk-ins more available at pharmacies help.
But we are entering the stage where pretty much anyone who wasn't "hesitant" already has their first dose.

52.4% of Floridian adults have had at least 1 dose, or 42.4% of the entire state population.
To get up to 50% of the entire population, you need about 1.5 million additional first doses. At just 12,780 per day... that's 4 months away from hitting 50%. (And of course, it's likely to decline even more).

I know it's not going to happen, but we really need a stronger stick/carrot -- such as strict passports that require vaccination if you want to keep your job, enter a grocery store, etc.
Due to data delays and backfill, the most recent days are not representative of reality. You need to look at total vaccinated and subtract from prior total vaccinated. In my post above, you can see that 44k people were newly vaccinated from one report to the next.
 

Tom P.

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DavidNoble

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The same could be said for those convinced it's "not a big deal" and "only affects the old and unhealthy".

ETA: That they need to smarten up.

Correct. It's serious (it's played a part in killing 500K+ people in the US alone) and we all need to realize that the variants could be far worse. Let's get vaccinated and then run around with no masks on.
 

Patcheslee

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Had another coworker test positive. People in close contact are still waiting for direction if they report to work or have to stay home. Some are fully vaccinated and past their 2 weeks, others have had 1st dose. The only person involved that hasn't been vaccinated is: the person that tested positive :banghead:
 

mmascari

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If you're jaywalking across a typically busy street, you don't just start walking without looking both ways, even if you don't see or hear any cars, because a car could come out of nowhere, and you may only have one shot at making that mistake. Same in this case. If you make it, that doesn't mean there wasn't a significant risk.
Let's use this crossing the street example.

If it's a really bad street, we add extra preventive items. Maybe a barrier in the middle of the road, stop both street crossing and provide some traffic safety, double win. Maybe fence. Maybe we clear some sight line obstructions to make it easier to cross. Maybe we add a cross walk. Maybe we change the road configuration to favor pedestrians. We can do preventive measures to discourage crossing or proactive measures to make crossing safer.

Alternatively, we could add plantings to restrict sight lines. We could eliminate other crossings, so this is the only place. Do this at a bend in the road, so the cars and people cannot possibly see each other. Replace all the traffic with electric only cars. Make sure those cars are as silent as possible. Play the Frogger theme over speakers so it's impossible to hear anything.

In the first, we took actions to make crossing the street easier at this location or to shift the location people use. In the second, we took actions to force people to cross at this specific spot while also making it as dangerous as possible.

Before we did either of those actions, there was some risk. After we took the action, we've changed the risk for better or worse. If we use our current trajectory as the baseline risk for a horror movie impact variant, it's relatively low. Like crossing a residential street. The question is, are we taking actions to make it even safer, say adding speed bumps. Or, are we taking actions to make it more dangerous, say changing it to 4 lanes and using it as a high speed detour off the main road.

The concern isn't about the risk as it stands today. It's about if we're taking the actions to keep it that or making poor decisions that have short term desires but long term consequences.

Concern about our actions and how they will change the risk is distinct and different from concern about the risk on it's own.
 

corsairk09

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Patience. In the end, most people can be reasoned with and are not going to spite their family and friends, and local community.
My mom was NOT going to get the vaccine. She was very nervous because it was so new, but my grandmother made it clear that anyone who wants to see her needs to be vaccinated.

My mom watched this and felt MUCH better and it allowed her to get a vaccine with no worries. Maybe it would help some people on this forum with their family members? https://www.focusonthefamily.com/episodes/broadcast/covid-19-vaccines-what-you-need-to-know/
 

havoc315

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Due to data delays and backfill, the most recent days are not representative of reality. You need to look at total vaccinated and subtract from prior total vaccinated. In my post above, you can see that 44k people were newly vaccinated from one report to the next.

44k completing their second dose. Which is consistent with the chart I was referring to, which showed about 40k getting second dose.

Second dose lags first dose, obviously.

Fact is, only about 13k first doses are being given per day in Florida right now.
 

Patcheslee

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44k completing their second dose. Which is consistent with the chart I was referring to, which showed about 40k getting second dose.

Second dose lags first dose, obviously.

Fact is, only about 13k first doses are being given per day in Florida right now.
4924 of the completed doses are from J&J, could that throw numbers off a hair?
 

sullyinMT

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Agreed 1000%.

Same with the vaccine. I’m not for or against it but people are on extreme sides telling others it is wrong to choose to get it or not and I have a problem with that.

There is no FDA approved vaccine. That’s an important piece of information many people seem to want me to ignore.
Pfizer is applying this week. Moderna soon behind. When they get their full license, will this change your mind, at all? I’m genuinely curious what people who keep repeating the “not really approved” line will say in a few short weeks.
 
I think you know why that wouldn't work right? It's either masks for all or none at all, there can't be any in between.
I do not want to come across as argumentative, I am simply suggesting that if people are vaccinated, they have “Done the right thing to put an end to this nonsense“

If people want to wear their mask, it is within their right to do so. If they have been vaccinated, they should have the same right not to wear one, or at the very least, the choice to go either way.

People need to start building their own natural immunity to this virus, much like any other virus. Just my opinion
 

Figgy1

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I do not want to come across as argumentative, I am simply suggesting that if people are vaccinated, they have “Done the right thing to put an end to this nonsense“

If people want to wear their mask, it is within their right to do so. If they have been vaccinated, they should have the same right not to wear one, or at the very least, the choice to go either way.

People need to start building their own natural immunity to this virus, much like any other virus. Just my opinion
How does one build natural immunity to this virus. Unless I'm wrong it's get a shot or get the disease same as with measles
 

ImperfectPixie

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I do not want to come across as argumentative, I am simply suggesting that if people are vaccinated, they have “Done the right thing to put an end to this nonsense“

If people want to wear their mask, it is within their right to do so. If they have been vaccinated, they should have the same right not to wear one, or at the very least, the choice to go either way.

People need to start building their own natural immunity to this virus, much like any other virus. Just my opinion
There is no building natural immunity. You either get vaccinated or you get COVID and roll the dice.
 

jmp85

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44k completing their second dose. Which is consistent with the chart I was referring to, which showed about 40k getting second dose.

Second dose lags first dose, obviously.

Fact is, only about 13k first doses are being given per day in Florida right now.
Here in Florida I was told by a local hospital administrator that only about 80-85% of individuals were showing up for the 2nd dose. I was a bit surprised by this. I guess they feel like one is good enough?
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
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I do not want to come across as argumentative, I am simply suggesting that if people are vaccinated, they have “Done the right thing to put an end to this nonsense“

If people want to wear their mask, it is within their right to do so. If they have been vaccinated, they should have the same right not to wear one, or at the very least, the choice to go either way.

People need to start building their own natural immunity to this virus, much like any other virus. Just my opinion
I guess I am thinking more of it operationally and logistically for Disney Parks. Not the virus itself, there simply can't be any gray area with masks, require them or not is what I am getting at. Having people wear a necklace with their vaccine card simply won't happen and would be a disaster to enforce and tell if its a real card, fake or just an index card with writing on it.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Pfizer is applying this week. Moderna soon behind. When they get their full license, will this change your mind, at all? I’m genuinely curious what people who keep repeating the “not really approved” line will say in a few short weeks.
Absolutely it will make a difference for me.
I’m not totally against getting one. I’ve tried to go twice to the “walk-in” option near me and each time have been told “appointment only right now” - I currently can’t find an appointment except for J&J which I don’t want.
 
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