Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[yonafunu]

So in 1 week... drop of about 50,000 per day.. to just 13,000 per day in the last 2 days, in terms of first dose.
75% reduction in 1 week.

Hopefully the upcoming approval of 12-15 gives a bit of a jolt, though it's a pretty small age bracket. Hopefully some of the new steps taken by the Feds to make walk-ins more available at pharmacies help.
But we are entering the stage where pretty much anyone who wasn't "hesitant" already has their first dose.

52.4% of Floridian adults have had at least 1 dose, or 42.4% of the entire state population.
To get up to 50% of the entire population, you need about 1.5 million additional first doses. At just 12,780 per day... that's 4 months away from hitting 50%. (And of course, it's likely to decline even more).

I know it's not going to happen, but we really need a stronger stick/carrot -- such as strict passports that require vaccination if you want to keep your job, enter a grocery store, etc.

Some cash to encourage those who hesitate...?
Some taxes reduction ?

I think it will be something touching money...

 

[GoofGoof]

I really like that idea but I don’t see them asking CM’s to police that. Would be some angry guests at times

Yeah, I don’t think it will happen either. I think most of the people who aren‘t vaccinated would stay away, especially if they are strict in enforcing the rules like they have been. Kids would be the bigger issue unless you exempt them. DCL sailing out of the UK is masks optional for kids under a certain age. I think ultimately Disney just waits until masks aren’t needed for anyone. I think maybe they relax them in phases though with outdoor gone before indoor. We should know soon either way

 

[Kevin_W]

I know it's not going to happen, but we really need a stronger stick/carrot -- such as strict passports that require vaccination if you want to keep your job, enter a grocery store, etc.

But have you seen the mindset that "if it we're really good for you, they wouldn't have to be pushing/marketing this!" and "The more they tell me to do it, the less likely I am to do it!"

I don't know what the answer to those types are, but given that it seems to be not be a small minority hopefully someone smarter than I can figure something out.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Yeah, I don’t think it will happen either. I think most of the people who aren‘t vaccinated would stay away, especially if they are strict in enforcing the rules like they have been. Kids would be the bigger issue unless you exempt them. DCL sailing out of the UK is masks optional for kids under a certain age. I think ultimately Disney just waits until masks aren’t needed for anyone. I think maybe they relax them in phases though with outdoor gone before indoor. We should know soon either way

I hope I’m sitting on an October vacay I’m still debating on

 

[SorcererMC]

But have you seen the mindset that "if it we're really good for you, they wouldn't have to be pushing/marketing this!" and "The more they tell me to do it, the less likely I am to do it!"

I don't know what the answer to those types are, but given that it seems to be not be a small minority hopefully someone smarter than I can figure something out.

Those people are going to get dragged kicking and screaming by their family, friends, and/or employer, across the 'fully vaccinated' line.

 

[Chomama]

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Those people are going to get dragged kicking and screaming by their family, friends, and/or employer, across the 'fully vaccinated' line.

really? I just don’t think they are going to get it. Maybe if we are still seeing lot of people sick later this summer. Covid cases are so low here that the unvaccinated people I know say there is no reason. Covid is gone.

 

[SorcererMC]

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really? I just don’t think they are going to get it. Maybe if we are still seeing lot of people sick later this summer. Covid cases are so low here that the unvaccinated people I know say there is no reason. Covid is gone.

Yes, really. It falls into the socio-psychological and behavioral category for vaccine acceptance. They might not care about the risk of transmission for someone they don't know, but they will care about the risk it poses to family and friends with underlying health conditions, for example.

 

[Epcotfan21]

Good read from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...rals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/

 

[havoc315]

But have you seen the mindset that "if it we're really good for you, they wouldn't have to be pushing/marketing this!" and "The more they tell me to do it, the less likely I am to do it!"

I don't know what the answer to those types are, but given that it seems to be not be a small minority hopefully someone smarter than I can figure something out.

Much like mask mandates -- There are lots of people who oppose them, but they begrudgingly apply because they want to go to work or the supermarket or Disney.

Yes,"mandating" vaccines would be controversial, there would be an outcry. But most people would begrudigngly comply.

We even see that with the argument some "anti-mitigation" folks are making.

CDC changes recommendations: If you're vaccinated, you can drop lots of the voluntary mitigation that was previously recommended. Most of the public-place mandatory mitigation is still in place...

Some of the anti-vaxers rise up and say, "we aren't getting a vaccine unless the public-place mandatory mitigation is removed!"

But the logic of their position is: We don't care about voluntary recommendations, we don't follow voluntary recommendations anyway. We only care about the mandatory stuff.

And since they are implicitly acknowledging they only care about the mandatory stuff... guess it's time to make vaccines quasi-mandatory. (I am not endorsing forcing jabs into people's arm, but a vaccine passport that makes vaccination a pre-condition to many facets of society).

 

[WondersOfLife]

That second shot was a b****. I just Had it day after yesterday. And yesterday I felt like CRAP.

I’m not doing booster shots. I’ve done my part. That’s it. I’m going to Disney Woooorld.

 

[danlb_2000]

Good read from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...rals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/

Democrats as a whole are probably over concerned about the virus, Republicans as a whole are probably under-concerned. The truth is in the middle.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Democrats as a whole are probably over concerned about the virus, Republicans as a whole are probably under-concerned. The truth is in the middle.

100% accurate

it became political right from the beginning because it was an election year. Now here we are suffering through this mess more than we should be because of it

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I'm not worried about some variant that shows up tomorrow that's vaccine resistant. I'm not even worried that some variant that shows up tomorrow vaccine less effective and is the first step down that path, one vaccine less effective variant after another becoming dominant until we're starting over.

I think it's prudent to be concerned, aware, and take appropriate precautions. The fact is we don't know what kind of variants are going to pop up, nor where/when. What we do know is we probably won't find out immediately that it even exists. So if you happen to be at "ground zero" of a consequential variant (faster/easier spread, vaccine resistant, and/or worse outcomes) and you've already stopped taking precautions, you will be at greater risk without realizing it. That will happen to someone. Someone will die as a result. That someone won't be me. The risk vs. reward ratio is off.

That's just plain, old-fashioned wisdom.

If you're jaywalking across a typically busy street, you don't just start walking without looking both ways, even if you don't see or hear any cars, because a car could come out of nowhere, and you may only have one shot at making that mistake. Same in this case. If you make it, that doesn't mean there wasn't a significant risk.

Everyone thinks they will be in the higher percentile group that will be fine. I'm sure plenty of people no longer with us thought the same thing.

Now, you can argue it may be less likely to catch a new variant in some areas than others. Florida is not one of those areas.

 

[corsairk09]

Good read from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...rals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/

haha I just got done reading this! This def. mirrors my personal experience when talking with co-workers, family and friends.

 

[DavidNoble]

Good read from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...rals-covid-19-science-denial-lockdown/618780/

This is a really interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

Left-of-left liberals need to start calming down and focus on the science of this (get vaccinated, wear masks indoors, continue to practice social distancing, get back to some form of life), but it seems they're waiting for 0% risk and that's never coming. I'm liberal, but I've also started to go back out and enjoy outside life now that I'm fully vaccinated. They've allowed themselves to get whipped into a frenzy that has done nothing except push Republicans to be more political about this (and please, Republicans, we need you take the vaccine as well).

Life is going to go back to normal. Summer is coming, mask mandates are dropping, and places are opening back up.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Yes, really. It falls into the socio-psychological and behavioral category for vaccine acceptance. They might not care about the risk of transmission for someone they don't know, but they will care about the risk it poses to family and friends with underlying health conditions, for example.

Unfortunately, there are people who just don't care. I've had people on my wife's side tell us that we can be the guinea pigs and that they don't need or want the vaccine because "COVID isn't that serious." And that was from someone with 3 separate risk factors for serious illness if they catch it who had previously parroted the debunked line about only 6% of the deaths actually being from COVID. The mental gymnastics required to both declare yourself to be low-risk for COVID despite multiple high-risk factors while also claiming only people in poor health need to worry is astounding, frustrating, and sad. People who go that far down the conspiracy rabbit hole aren't coming back out again anytime soon.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I think it's prudent to be concerned, aware, and take appropriate precautions. The fact is we don't know what kind of variants are going to pop up, nor where/when. What we do know is we probably won't find out immediately that it even exists. So if you happen to be at "ground zero" of a consequential variant (faster/easier spread, vaccine resistant, and/or worse outcomes) and you've already stopped taking precautions, you will be at greater risk without realizing it. That will happen to someone. Someone will die as a result. That someone won't be me. The risk vs. reward ratio is off.

That's just plain, old-fashioned wisdom.

If you're jaywalking across a typically busy street, you don't just start walking without looking both ways, even if you don't see or hear any cars, because a car could come out of nowhere, and you may only have one shot at making that mistake. Same in this case. If you make it, that doesn't mean there wasn't a significant risk.

Everyone thinks they will be in the higher percentile group that will be fine. I'm sure plenty of people no longer with us thought the same thing.

Now, you can argue it may be less likely to catch a new variant in some areas than others. Florida is not one of those areas.

So your answer is to keep mitigations, masking, and social distancing forever? The vast majority of American people simply aren't going to do that for very much longer. I would hope they could hold on a few more months, but I seriously doubt they will. Do understand, I do not believe that we will ever reach herd immunity, and that we will need boosters every year.

 

[SorcererMC]

Unfortunately, there are people who just don't care. I've had people on my wife's side tell us that we can be the guinea pigs and that they don't need or want the vaccine because "COVID isn't that serious." And that was from someone with 3 separate risk factors for serious illness if they catch it who had previously parroted the debunked line about only 6% of the deaths actually being from COVID. The mental gymnastics required to both declare yourself to be low-risk for COVID despite multiple high-risk factors while also claiming only people in poor health need to worry is astounding, frustrating, and sad. People who go that far down the conspiracy rabbit hole aren't coming back out again anytime soon.

Patience. In the end, most people can be reasoned with and are not going to spite their family and friends, and local community.

 

[Chomama]

Patience. In the end, most people can be reasoned with and are not going to spite their family and friends, and local community.

Not being sarcastic - do you personally know many people refusing the vaccine? Because I do and NONE of them show a sign of backing down. They have dug in hard on this

 

[SorcererMC]

Not being sarcastic - do you personally know many people refusing the vaccine? Because I do and NONE of them show a sign of backing down. They have dug in hard on this

I know they have. It took my father, who has underlying health conditions, about a month or so to go and do it. Vaccinated people are going to start having social occasions and gatherings with each other, and there will be fear of missing out. Graduations, birthdays, holidays, etc. That creates social norms around getting vaccinated and it starts to radiate out through social networks.