Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Patcheslee

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People have already found a solution to that, they are renting U-Hauls.
I've got Budget and Enterprise both reserved for June vacation. Budget was 2 months ago at cost me $584 for an intermediate 10 days. Enterprise is a backup plan I just reserved for $792. Cancellation fee is $100 if less than 24hrs. But after reading all the recent reviews and complaints at MCO, I'd rather lose $100 than be stuck.
 

bpiper

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Unemployment has been dropping continuously since the high from March/April of last year. The unemployment rate now is only about one and a half percentage points higher from before the pandemic.

Unemployment went down *a lot* even when people were getting a Federal boost of $600. They're still going down, but not as fast with a boost of $300.

These charts don't show a lot of nuance, like how people who were in industries that couldn't operate (like restaurants) found jobs in 'essential services' (like deliveries). But I hope they dispel the idea that there is a new generation of large numbers of ""welfare queens"" living high off of unemployment benefits. The overwhelming majority of people who lost their employment are now working again.


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Do you have any graphs on the Under-Employed rate and the number of people who have stopped looking?

They would give us a complete picture. I would think the stopped looking rate would be high, parents who have to stayed home to supervise children in remote learning.
 

MisterPenguin

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Do you have any graphs on the Under-Employed rate and the number of people who have stopped looking?

They would give us a complete picture. I would think the stopped looking rate would be high, parents who have to stayed home to supervise children in remote learning.
That's not helpful.

It's only brought up by the party out of power whenever the unemployment rate is good.
 

Patcheslee

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Florida Unemployment:

In general, you get from the state half your salary up to $275 / week.

If you were previously getting $15/hour on a 40 hour week, that would be $600/wk pay. Half is $300. But you're capped at $275 from the state.

If you then add on the $300 from the Feds, that's $575/week. That's the equivalent of $14.38/hour (in a 40 hour week).

Florida requires you to provide proof you were seeking work to maintain the benefits.


If you were previously a part time worker at, say, 20 hours a week at $8.65/hour (minimum wage), that is $173 / week. Half of that is $87 from Florida unemployment. Add in the Fed's $300, that's $387 / week.

An entry level Disney job would pay you $600/week (if full time).
Does Florida have the exemption for not accepting work far below your previous pay scale?
 

GoofGoof

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This summer, maybe not. But you are underestimating the demand for domestic travel. I was just reading about car rental rates in Hawaii of $700 per day because they weren't prepared for the sudden massive increase in demand. I expect domestic travel demand to be very "normal" by mid-summer.

People have put off travel for a year. They still can't travel internationally. That will serve to increase demand for domestic destinations like WDW. Coupled with the 50th Anniversary, I expect extremely high demand for WDW by fall -- potentially "normal" demand or even higher than average Autumn/Winter demand.
20%+ of WDW is International tourists who can’t come back yet. Then when you add in people who lost income and people with Covid anxiety, especially people with kids under 12 who aren’t going to be vaccinated this Summer, there are a lot of people looking to travel but wanting to drive and do more outdoors stuff that’s possibly a lot cheaper. National Parks and beaches will be jammed this Summer. I do think there is huge pent up demand for WDW as well, but I don’t know if that gets them anywhere close to pre-pandemic times. Maybe something closer to post-911 era crowd levels. In other words there is a lot of grey area between where we are today and back to normal. I think this Summer falls in that range which isn‘t a bad thing either. The parks could still have a lot of stuff back and Disney can still be making money without a full return to normal. This also assumes Covid restrictions are largely gone by July which isn’t a lock either. If they are still doing masks and limited offerings then the crowds will be even smaller and there will certainly be no issue with a shortage of workers.
 

hopemax

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Do you have any graphs on the Under-Employed rate and the number of people who have stopped looking?

They would give us a complete picture. I would think the stopped looking rate would be high, parents who have to stayed home to supervise children in remote learning.
But the specific claim made was people are getting paid more on unemployment than working. In order for that to work, they would have to be actually filing claims and collecting the money, and would be represented in an official number.
 

Patcheslee

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But the specific claim made was people are getting paid more on unemployment than working. In order for that to work, they would have to be actually filing claims and collecting the money, and would be represented in an official number.
The only time I ever made more being on UI is when I had a newborn in 2008. Hourly pay was $11/hr but alot of overtime before a temporary layoff so it maximized my IU to $390. If I would have stayed my hours would have dropped to 32/week. (They took volunteers first and paid out medical premiums vs least senority) What made it cheaper was not paying the $120/week childcare for a newborn and save $75/week in gas. I can understand why it might make more sense for some.
 

hopemax

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The only time I ever made more being on UI is when I had a newborn in 2008. Hourly pay was $11/hr but alot of overtime before a temporary layoff so it maximized my IU to $390. If I would have stayed my hours would have dropped to 32/week. (They took volunteers first and paid out medical premiums vs least senority) What made it cheaper was not paying the $120/week childcare for a newborn and save $75/week in gas. I can understand why it might make more sense for some.
Right, but with the additional funds from the Feds, right now, your $390 would instantly be $690. What would that have done for you?
 

SamusAranX

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$300 is the extra stimulus. The unemployment is the normal amount of unemployment they would receive, that’s based on their normal pay when they were last employed I think.

Also, some states (mine included) are currently requiring the work search and have been for a few months now.
It's good that states still do that. Florida's is suspended until may 29th. I believe
 

GSP Guy

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avery? Really? So what is your solution for those who don't find their current occupation rewarding? Should we pay them to sit on the couch because they don't want to work to support themselves? Or should they obtain a new skillset and work for something more rewarding?

If the burger worker doesn't want to work there, he has every right to quit and find something else. He doesn't have to serve me a burger.
True Story.....about a year and a half ago my wife and I walked into a sandwich shop. The employee behind the counter was very upset and openly complaining to another employee. His main complaint was that he was "barely making $9.00 per hour. I happened to notice before we entered a sign next door for a swimming pool company that was hiring at $16.00 and would train. So I said to the guy "hey bud I think I have an idea for you" and I then simply directed his attention to the sign. His response......."no ******* way it gets hot outside here in the summer." Not sure how someone like that can be helped.
 
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