Sirwalterraleigh
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It’s so sad. No need to do this. What a bunch of brats
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It’s so sad. No need to do this. What a bunch of brats
CaptainAmerica
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They keep changing the standard. Do you not remember Biden saying that, if we all vaccinated, then MAYBE we could have small gatherings with friends and family by July 4?
Sirwalterraleigh
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yes...but that really doesn’t appear to be as obvious as it is to many.
they have no desire to set off fireworks for people...yet all day we see “I don’t understand why?” Posted all over the board asking these questions.
CaptainAmerica
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Not by force of law, but if implemented by individual businesses, yes.
That’s how science works .... information evolves over time.
But we now confirm that we can indeed have small gatherings among vaccinated people, NOW.
Sirwalterraleigh
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because they keep trying to set the bar low and exceed it. Since day one when the “ignore it” buffoons where finally ejected and the place was fumigated.
are we re-writing history here?
but the vaccinations can’t be “personal choice” now for BS. That was never the way to solve this. It rarely ever is in public health.
So I’m still confused...
You want all restrictions removed, whether people are vaccinated or not.
But if people are vaccinated, then they can voluntarily stop following restrictions.
And unvaccinated people, can voluntarily continue restrictions.
So, under your proposal — there would be absolutely no carrots whatsoever for getting vaccinated.
Heppenheimer
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Presumably, the state knows when and where a given lot of the vaccine was distributed. They could match the lot number and dates on your card with the known date and place it was given. It wouldn't exactly prove that you personally received the vaccine, but it could be a close enough verification.
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GoofGoof
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Here is the way I see it. Everyone should just get the vaccine because I said so. No arguing over who was lied to or whether fat people are to blame for Covid or whether masks work or whether vaccine passports should be a thing. Just pause all discussion and all thought and get the vaccine. Period. Don‘t fight it, don’t consider the consequences, don’t worry about the science or what an expert says or how at risk you are. Forget all of that and get the vaccine. Once everyone gets vaccinated then feel free to go back to being a bunch of idiots sitting around saying dumb things. I’ll gladly join you 
lazyboy97o
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Because there is nothing that tells others you are vaccinated. If one sees a field with a “Keep Off the Grass” sign but a bunch of others are on the grass anyway then they’re more likely to also ignore the sign. Someone who wants to flout the rules may be unwilling to do so alone but will join others. Instead of creating issues and conflict you can just wear the little thing.
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Disstevefan1
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When Joe told all of us to get vaccinated I was hesitant, but since GoofGoof told me to, I am in!Here is the way I see it. Everyone should just get the vaccine because I said so. No arguing over who was lied to or whether fat people are to blame for Covid or whether masks work or whether vaccine passports should be a thing. Just pause all discussion and all thought and get the vaccine. Period. Don‘t fight it, don’t consider the consequences, don’t worry about the science or what an expert says or how at risk you are. Forget all of that and get the vaccine. Once everyone gets vaccinated then feel free to go back to being a bunch of idiots sitting around saying dumb things. I’ll gladly join you
danlb_2000
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I don't think it's that simple in a theme park. How do you define "building"? If it has a roof and no walls is it still a building? Are the caves on Tom Sawyer Island a building? If the riverboat a building?
correcaminos
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You know, I'm not a nice mom so this is just my style. Do it because I said so. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If you fight me, just stay in your room until your mood improves! Since I'm not a nice mom I'd toss in some mean glare and a lot of side eye if anyone grumbled.Here is the way I see it. Everyone should just get the vaccine because I said so. No arguing over who was lied to or whether fat people are to blame for Covid or whether masks work or whether vaccine passports should be a thing. Just pause all discussion and all thought and get the vaccine. Period. Don‘t fight it, don’t consider the consequences, don’t worry about the science or what an expert says or how at risk you are. Forget all of that and get the vaccine. Once everyone gets vaccinated then feel free to go back to being a bunch of idiots sitting around saying dumb things. I’ll gladly join you
correcaminos
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Actually our zoo did it that way for a long time. It worked. "Put your mask on please" and it was done.
I would say that for all attractions they could have you wear them. Want to ride? Wear a mask. Done.
DisneyDebRob
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If only we can fit your whole post on a t shirt.. I would buy one!Here is the way I see it. Everyone should just get the vaccine because I said so. No arguing over who was lied to or whether fat people are to blame for Covid or whether masks work or whether vaccine passports should be a thing. Just pause all discussion and all thought and get the vaccine. Period. Don‘t fight it, don’t consider the consequences, don’t worry about the science or what an expert says or how at risk you are. Forget all of that and get the vaccine. Once everyone gets vaccinated then feel free to go back to being a bunch of idiots sitting around saying dumb things. I’ll gladly join you
hopemax
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Which is why I'm becoming more serious about the value of finding out how much people are spending on treating their long-COVID symptoms. I mentioned it here earlier after hearing about Jayson Tatum's inhaler usage, and how those are not cheap. I mentioned it on another board, and someone jumped in and mentioned that they have had to spend thousands of dollars this past year on copays and deductibles and their doctor is no closer to figuring out how to treat them.
So forget carrots and sticks, just start asking people how much of their hard-earned money they are willing to risk to avoid the cost of a free shot. Not because of some extreme version of long-COVID, but the annoying lingering stuff that means they can't work out as well, their breathing is weird, their heart palpitates, their brain is fuzzier than normal, the loss of taste & smell. They thought they could skip a doctor, but it just keeps persisting. So then they are on the hook for copays, deductibles, lab work, specialist fees, prescription meds.
Googling for something that may end up being similar like Fibromyalgia you get $951 for a quarter, $3804 annually (2016 numbers, 2021 would be higher). People are willing to risk the miniscule odds of death and hospitalization. But incidents of long-COVID are not as miniscule, even for young people who only had a mild illness.
But talking about the mundane additional health care expenses, increased prescriptions of common medications for common respiratory, heart, kidney ailments are probably hard to break through all the sexier stats about death and hospitalizations. Doctors are more focused on finding treatments. Economists are more focused on the macro effects. Not that it might cost your family a couple hundred dollars a month. But for people those added costs could be a big deal, or at least annoying enough, like potentially losing your sense of taste & smell that it worth the inconvenience of the shot to avoid it.
disneygeek90
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Easier said than done for crowds as big as WDW. There's a reason they've had to adjust their rules about 12 times.
Wear a mask unless you're eating or drinking.... wear a mask unless you're eating or drinking while stationary... wear a mask and no food or drinks even in outside queues... wear a mask unless you're eating or drinking while stationary or you'll be asked to leave.
People loved to take advantage of the rules, which is why they are as strict as they are now.
Sirwalterraleigh
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he’s seems to be trying to cross the vaccine with a question of “constitutionality”...which it never was.
it’s ironic that a popular stance is that private business should have little to no restrictions ever...but government action should be eliminated if at all possible.
which means that “common sense” isn’t that common. Money can’t be given an “altruistic” personality as it is.
Also, once they lift those mask restrictions, it'll be tough to reinstate them should things change. I mean, I'm assuming so.
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