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GoofGoof

Premium Member
We didn't want to wait any longer. It's already going to be difficult booking the replacement. Finding a rental house that's still available for the same time period in drivable location with activities we'll enjoy.

The alternatives were:
  1. Give up WDW for this summer now, book something else now.
  2. Wait until later, give up WDW for this summer and not be able to book something else because they're all already booked.
  3. Wait until later, and the spread goes down, hope Disney expands the value offering, go and accept what exists.
While 3 would have been nice, there's much risk, even if spread is all down, there's the value proposition. Option 2 is the nightmare, home for a week because we waited to long to book something else. So, we're doing 1, it's very risk adverse. We'll feel a little bad if we get there and option 3 would have been better. But, we would feel way worse picking 3 if we get there and it's not. It's like buying government bonds instead of private bonds. You know the return is worse, but there's no worry you lose it all. Sometimes you buy them, sometimes you buy the junk bonds and roll the dice.

Bonus, it's not CANCELLED, just delayed. All the operation bugs, SEVERAL new rides, all the shows/hours/fireworks, the whole works will be back when we do go. :)

You've got an extra 2 weeks calendar time, and I'll guess an extra month of positive outlook time on me, maybe more. If I had to guess, your time horizon for deciding is much closer to your balance due date. Nothing wrong with that. We've all go different options.
I’m in a slightly different position. We had this whole trip booked for August 2020 in January 2020. I have DVC points I’m using for the room and we booked our flights with Southwest and bought park tickets before the annual price increase. The only thing not paid for was food (which is not insignificant at WDW). When we cancelled I was able to bank the DVC points and Disney extended the park tickets a year and Southwest gave me a flight credit good until September 2021. Basically it was almost all paid for but we really needed to reschedule by September to not have to jump through a lot of hoops. So August 2021 it is. If I end up cancelling I’ll have to rent out some DVC points which shouldn’t be an issue and I think Disney will let me roll the park tickets forward. The flight vouchers I may have to eat or fly somewhere else. So not a train wreck if it happens but I really need to decide by 30 days out for the DVC points, that’s my main time window which is why I said I have time.

Since this trip was paid for and I wasn’t certain it would happen I did double down on vacations this year. We rented a house in the Outerbanks in June so we can drive down and have limited contact with other people. If Disney gets cancelled again we at least got away and if not we just go on 2 trips this Summer. I can use the time off.
 

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
You mentioned it in your last sentence, but it needs to be reiterated. When you don't have enough money from paycheck to paycheck to pay rent, pay utilities and buy the most basic of foods, you aren't buying in bulk. These aren't Costco shoppers (who are typically mid-to-upper class).
If you were referencing my post, then i think you misunderstood what I meant by buying in bulk. I don't shop at Costco, so I absolutely didn't mean shopping at Costco.

I was referring only to small deals my local stores offer. One can of beans is $1, but they often have small deals on 5 cans of beans. Chicken parts are $5 per pound, but a whole chicken is $3 per pound, and the family 5pound pack of chicken is often on sale for $2 per pound.
To me, 3 pounds of meat = buying in bulk, because I can make 3 pounds last over a week. I cook up the 3 pounds, then spilt it up into portions to last however long I need that meat to last to my next paycheck.

Every day, I do something different with it, if possible. Like spices or honey or mixing it with other leftovers.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
Since this trip was paid for and I wasn’t certain it would happen I did double down on vacations this year. We rented a house in the Outerbanks in June so we can drive down and have limited contact with other people.
Southwest cancelled our flights not us as luck would have it. When they did it, the voucher expiration was set to September 2022. Just like you, we're all in on the airfare already, but we got an extra year out of it. Your existing dollar commitment and restrictions definitely makes holding out a better option. Sunk costs and all.

We were practically planning at the exact same time, we booked the original trip in January 2020 too. Double coincidence, I was searching the Outerbanks last night to replace the trip, for all the same reasons as you. There's very little available now for the that week. We need to get our act together and book the replacement stuff this week probably or it's going to change from little to nothing.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Southwest cancelled our flights not us as luck would have it. When they did it, the voucher expiration was set to September 2022. Just like you, we're all in on the airfare already, but we got an extra year out of it. Your existing dollar commitment and restrictions definitely makes holding out a better option. Sunk costs and all.

We were practically planning at the exact same time, we booked the original trip in January 2020 too. Double coincidence, I was searching the Outerbanks last night to replace the trip, for all the same reasons as you. There's very little available now for the that week. We need to get our act together and book the replacement stuff this week probably or it's going to change from little to nothing.
We booked the house back in October so there was more availability but I did notice recently all the weeks were booked for the Summer.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Just throwing in something that could possibly point to a more optimistic outlook and good news. I do not know much about this particular person on Twitter, but there is a ton of data contained in this thread, and her analysis seems pretty good. And she is an infectious disease specialist with UC San Francisco and San Francisco General Hospital. That being said, it's still a random person on Twitter, so take it for what you will. None-the-less, I think it's worth your time to click through and read the entire thread with her analysis.

 

DisneyFan32

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
If US follows Israel's orders by June or July then we will go back to normal as outdoor masks will be lift for good by early summer as indoor masks will lift later by late summer/fall.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Just throwing in something that could possibly point to a more optimistic outlook and good news. I do not know much about this particular person on Twitter, but there is a ton of data contained in this thread, and her analysis seems pretty good. And she is an infectious disease specialist with UC San Francisco and San Francisco General Hospital. That being said, it's still a random person on Twitter, so take it for what you will. None-the-less, I think it's worth your time to click through and read the entire thread with her analysis.

I think she just reads my posts here ;););)

Good stuff :)
 

LovePop

Active Member
The startling situation in India, and what it means for the US:

Covid cases in India gradually increased from the beginning until September last year, when it peaked and then gradually decreased until February, two months ago. Comparatively, there were very few cases and deaths. Experts had no clue why that was, and gave many explanations:

However, from February to now, India's started a huge spike. Hospitals are full, they are lacking oxygen and medicine, and the situation is dire. Again, experts have no explanation:

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I wonder if this might happen here in the US.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
How is India's vaccination program going?
Exactly. What is happening in India is likely not going to happen here, because we have vaccinations and despite the herding cat nature of it, enact mitigation. But in the greater "Was the SARS-CoV-2 virus something the world needed to take seriously?" discussion this is the kind of evidence that says, "Yes, this virus is a big deal and letting it just burn through a population is not a solution, because previous infection may not be enough to ward off future infection." India could have been anywhere, including here, if circumstances were different. We're fortunate to be the country with resources.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Since people keep bringing up the UK (together with Israel) as a promising herald of things to come in the US, I feel it's important to remember that we are not out of the woods yet:


I share this not to be negative or because I want (!) this awful pandemic to continue, but because, as I noted a few days ago, this thread seems less concerned than it used to be with what the experts are saying.
 

Disney Experience

Well-Known Member
How is India's vaccination program going?
Not quickly. Plus it is not using Pfizer nor Moderna. They are using Astrazeneca and another vaccine. So a higher percentage of the people in India will have to be vaccinated to achieve similar results. Plus India has a LOT of people.

 

danlb_2000

Well-Known Member
Just throwing in something that could possibly point to a more optimistic outlook and good news. I do not know much about this particular person on Twitter, but there is a ton of data contained in this thread, and her analysis seems pretty good. And she is an infectious disease specialist with UC San Francisco and San Francisco General Hospital. That being said, it's still a random person on Twitter, so take it for what you will. None-the-less, I think it's worth your time to click through and read the entire thread with her analysis.


I like this document she references, lots of cool data all in one place...

 

Disney Experience

Well-Known Member
Nice summary of various covid-19 related events world wide in the following article:
Example Bad News: Counterfeit Pfizer vaccines in Mexico and Poland, oxygen supply looting in India
Example Good News: UK lower hospitalization for covid likely due to vaccination.

India is experiencing oxygen shortages at hospitals as covid-19 cases continue to surge. At least 22 patients died when their oxygen supply was interrupted as a result of a leak from an oxygen tanker at Zakir Hussain Hospital in Nashik, a city in the western state of Maharashtra. There has also been looting of oxygen at a hospital in Madhya Pradesh, and in the state of Haryana, oxygen tankers are being given police protection.

Vaccine hesitancy in the UK in people in their thirties has only risen slightly since authorities said the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab is linked to a rare blood clotting syndrome. A survey by the University of Stirling found 85 per cent of 30-to-40-year-olds were planning to get the vaccine, compared with 87 per cent in a previous poll.

Counterfeit Pfizer/BioNtech covid-19 vaccines have been found in Mexico and Poland, says manufacturer Pfizer. The substance in vials seized in Poland contained an anti-wrinkle treatment.

Transmission of the coronavirus has taken place within a quarantine hotel in Perth. Two guests staying in rooms opposite each other tested positive for the virus. Initially they were thought to have caught the virus abroad, but genetic testing showed they caught it at the hotel.



Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ve-slashed-uk-hospitalisations/#ixzz6siNPyW2Y
 

Figgy1

Premium Member
Since people keep bringing up the UK (together with Israel) as a promising herald of things to come in the US, I feel it's important to remember that we are not out of the woods yet:


I share this not to be negative or because I want (!) this awful pandemic to continue, but because, as I noted a few days ago, this thread seems less concerned than it used to be with what the experts are saying.
Sending {{HUGS}} and pixie dust
 

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