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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

MickeyLuv'r

Well-Known Member
I'm dangerously uninformed about a life-threatening condition that I have lived with for four decades?? :D:D Look, I can tell that you mean well and much of what you posted is correct information, I'm just not entirely sure where you read this from my posts. I'll chalk it up to crossed wires so that i can get back to today's juicy COVID drama on the boards here. I'm still a few pages back and I'm running out of popcorn... ;)

A person with a milder allergy can tolerate a some exposure to their allergen, but gets sick when they are exposed to a large amount of the allergen.

That does NOT mean the person is faking their allergy. Accusing anyone of faking an allergy is dangerous, and that's how multiple posts read, at least to me. It is possible to have an allergic reaction to a vaccine.

A close relative of mine suffered frequent stomach pain for years. She visited many doctors trying to find a solution but to no avail. Turns out, she had an undiagnosed food allergy. She finally learned it was a food allergy, but she was already an adult.

Many people who knew her, didn't believe her. They had seen her ingest her allergen many times, so THEY were certain she wasn't allergic to it.

They went so far as to 'test' her, by purposely exposing her to her allergen without telling her, and triggered a rather severe reaction. Sadly, her experience is VERY common!

Please do not do this to anyone!
 

sullyinMT

Well-Known Member
Another way to look at the demand issue, at least for FL:
For a minute now, that “first dose” number has been right around 2.8-2.9 million. That means, to me anyway, that for every person completing their second dose, someone else is behind them in line to take a spot. Give or take on any given day, but the trend is consistent. If that first dose number falls off well before they (FL) have enough people vaccinated, it will be a sign of alarm.
I don’t like the unused appointments sitting around, but with more sites added and more supply pumped in, it may be that ~3M shots/day is our threshold without a new approach.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Still planning on the August trip?

As I think that's our biggest difference. You have hope and see the bright side and assume community spread will be low by the middle of August. I have concern, and while I was holding out that you're correct, this morning I moved our 7/31 reservation to June 2022. It's possible we're both right, I think there's 2 weeks between my old date and your date. It's possible that's enough time to make a difference. There's always hope. :happy:
It’s way too early to give up on the Summer yet. I would give you a bunch of reasons why but then I’d get the doom and gloom police trying to pick apart my post and spin things. I will cancel my trip if I don’t think the situation looks good by then. I see no reason to assume that today.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It's worded rather poorly, because I can read that two ways, either as you interpreted it, or, that CA residents do NOT require proof of vaccination, but out of state do.
No it’s the second one, open to CA residents with no proof of vaccination or out of state residents only with proof of vaccination.
 

havoc315

Well-Known Member
Still planning on the August trip?

As I think that's our biggest difference. You have hope and see the bright side and assume community spread will be low by the middle of August. I have concern, and while I was holding out that you're correct, this morning I moved our 7/31 reservation to June 2022. It's possible we're both right, I think there's 2 weeks between my old date and your date. It's possible that's enough time to make a difference. There's always hope. :happy:

I'm going mid August. Unless things get much worse, I'm keeping the trip.
Our travel party includes 3 kids.. 16, 14, and 14. The 16yo is vaccinated as are all the adults. I suspect the 14yo's will be vaccinated by then.

If things remain the same as they are now, we will have a trip with tons of resort time. We'll make the best of the parks, masks and respecting social distancing. Lack of entertainment and fireworks will be disappointing, but it will be a different type of trip. We will take advantage of Food & Wine at Epcot.

I'm still crossing my fingers that there will be some normalcy by mid August. Higher restaurant capacity, perhaps some fireworks/fantasmic, and maybe even outdoor mask mandate lifted. But I'm still expecting mid August, even under better scenarios, to still have limitations. (I still believe even if Covid disappeared by June 1, Disney is keeping a lid on spending until October 1 and wouldn't rush to bring stuff back, which is why we are getting a partial-FOTLK).
 

JD80

Well-Known Member
There aren't that many anti vaxxers. We just need to make them universally easier to access across the board. Some places don't allow walk ins for example. Some people still have to drive a distance to get to and can't because of work.

As a country, we haven't made a true effort to get people vaccinated because so many people were self motivated and our supplies were low. Once that flips which we're at in many places now, you'll start seeing marketing campaigns by companies and the government.

Just wait until you start seeing "FREE (keyword) COVID Shots at Walmart" and any other sort of incentive. Couldn't do that before because of an unreliable supply chain.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Uh oh. I think we're hitting the "wall". That or J&J is having a significant impact. But my gut tells me we're about to hit the wall of the anti-vaxxers
JnJ is definitely having an impact since it was logistically much easier to administer.

I would be perfectly fine with continuing a pace of 3M vaccines a day, maybe even drop off some from there. As we get less and less people looking for the vaccine the pace will slow. That’s Ok. It may pick up some in the next few weeks again once 12-15 year olds get formally approved.
 

OlderCastMember

New Member
So sorry to hear that.
I feel for you. I was furloughed due to COVID and we had to cancel a Disney trip. I was lucky and got another job so we just went last week. I wish Disney had more things open. I hope they call more people back soon.
Thanks for your kind reply. Glad you got a new job and got to visit the Parks! Best wishes!
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Just had our bi-weekly update for the state from the cabinet secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Health and they pointed out that though cases are plateauing, about 220 per day on average, and the same with hospitalizations, about 120 beds in use (we're a tiny state), that the severity of cases are not as bad as they once were. They pointed out that as expected, more of the hospitalization are from people between 18 and 40, the average length of stay is 4 days when in the past it was 8-10. Hoping the same is found across the nation.
 

OlderCastMember

New Member
I've always enjoy seeing older castmembers at the parks. IMO, furloughed people should be rotated back in and out, and hopefully all back in as things open up.
I think those of us here care, but we're not the ones making the decisions in favor of ...wait for it...quarterly shareholder profits, because the sole reason for a company to exist is to make money, right? Especially for those that sign up for a piece of paper or electronic equivalent, maybe even not knowing they are doing so, to only go and sell it, or have someone else sell it, a short time later.
Bring back more things open to disperse the crowds and don't nickel and dime with reduced hours and up-charge experiences which used to be included, more or less.
Laughing Gravy, thanks for the kind thoughts.

Disney has sated that their objectives go beyond profit with responsibility towards not only shareholders but guests, society and cast members. If they don't mean it, would rather have them say they are only interested in the money. I hope that isn't the case, as I was working for Disney to provide magical experiences for our guests.
 

JAKECOTCenter

Well-Known Member
Just had our bi-weekly update for the state from the cabinet secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Health and they pointed out that though cases are plateauing, about 220 per day on average, and the same with hospitalizations, about 120 beds in use (we're a tiny state), that the severity of cases are not as bad as they once were. They pointed out that as expected, more of the hospitalization are from people between 18 and 40, the average length of stay is 4 days when in the past it was 8-10. Hoping the same is found across the nation.
*Plateauing again, gee it's bad to be plateauing again, I just can't imagine covid will ever be gone, it's not starting over, it's just going on* well someone had to sneak in a muppets reference
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
*Plateauing again, gee it's bad to be plateauing again, I just can't imagine covid will ever be gone, it's not starting over, it's just going on* well someone had to sneak in a muppets reference
They had an hypothesis on the case plateau as well. A combination of two things, the vaccine working well and more and more people just believing the worst is passed and are gathering in large groups more, not wearing masks more and therefor, contracting the virus. Personally, I have not seen people without masks in places I shouldn't, but, I'm sure it happens. Only saving grace us we are vaccinating at a very high rate in our state. If it weren't for that, the cases would be going up rather than flatlining.
 

mmascari

Well-Known Member
It’s way too early to give up on the Summer yet. I would give you a bunch of reasons why but then I’d get the doom and gloom police trying to pick apart my post and spin things. I will cancel my trip if I don’t think the situation looks good by then. I see no reason to assume that today.
We didn't want to wait any longer. It's already going to be difficult booking the replacement. Finding a rental house that's still available for the same time period in drivable location with activities we'll enjoy.

The alternatives were:
  1. Give up WDW for this summer now, book something else now.
  2. Wait until later, give up WDW for this summer and not be able to book something else because they're all already booked.
  3. Wait until later, and the spread goes down, hope Disney expands the value offering, go and accept what exists.
While 3 would have been nice, there's much risk, even if spread is all down, there's the value proposition. Option 2 is the nightmare, home for a week because we waited to long to book something else. So, we're doing 1, it's very risk adverse. We'll feel a little bad if we get there and option 3 would have been better. But, we would feel way worse picking 3 if we get there and it's not. It's like buying government bonds instead of private bonds. You know the return is worse, but there's no worry you lose it all. Sometimes you buy them, sometimes you buy the junk bonds and roll the dice.

Bonus, it's not CANCELLED, just delayed. All the operation bugs, SEVERAL new rides, all the shows/hours/fireworks, the whole works will be back when we do go. :)

You've got an extra 2 weeks calendar time, and I'll guess an extra month of positive outlook time on me, maybe more. If I had to guess, your time horizon for deciding is much closer to your balance due date. Nothing wrong with that. We've all go different options.
 

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