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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Parker in NYC

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Here's the thing. I don't believe everyone wants this thing to go away. I really don't.

First off, I think a lot of the fear about where we are is being driven by the media. The media has a vested interest in keeping this thing going as long as possible. They really do. 2020 was a banner year for the news media. The ratings that they scored from Covid news were through the roof. (Yes, there was a healthy amount of presidential politics mixed in to, but Covid was clearly the defining story of the year.) They don't want to lose that. And they already see it slipping away. They are trying to prolong this as much as they possibly can. And that is influencing how lots of people view where we are.

I think there are also political motivations behind some of the doom-and-gloom, but I won't go farther than to say that I think they exist because of the no politics rule.

Suffice it to say, no, I don't believe everyone wants it to go away. Not by a long shot.
Stop. The. Conspiracy. Theories. Stop blaming people for treating it as something that isn't over (hint: it isn't). Maybe folks should use this conspiratorial energy and, I don't know, put it toward educating the maskless.

Also, stop using the media for taking the blame here. I've had it, officially. I didn't even LOOK at the media last year before people told me I was out of my depths with concern. I read an AP article that tracked cases popping up in the Northwest. Then Westchester County. That's all I needed to know.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
That would be me. I want vaccine passports required for concerts, cruises, sporting events and amusement parks. I'm glad cruises are requiring it and I believe it will be a permanent thing. With some NY based teams requiring its a matter of time til more do it. I'm sorry but I've lost a lot of faith in and respect for most people now. Too many don't care about others.
Sea World in CA is doing it for out of state guests now. Proof of Vaccinations or a negative Covid test for all guests 3 and up. Not required for CA residents. That’s the first national theme park company I’ve seen implement that. Not required for Sea World FL though.

I can see vaccine passports working for cruises for sure and for large group events like concerts or sporting events. It will never happen for every day activities like restaurants or shopping. My only hold back for WDW right now is kids. Sea World is requiring a negative covid test if you aren’t vaccinated for anyone over 2 so kids 3-11 would all need a negative test since they can’t get the vaccine yet. If you went to WDW for a week and visited a park every day that’s 7 covid tests for your kid. Not sure how many people would go for that.
 

havoc315

Well-Known Member
I give up. Based on polling 71% of Americans want to get the vaccine. When I said that you said the polls were wrong and the number would be lower. In your previous post you said we would have to hope for herd immunity at 50% vaccinated. Now you are saying you have been saying all along 70% of adults will get vaccinated. If that’s the case we would have been in agreement.

You keep citing 75%... claiming that it will be 70% plus half the undecided 10%. I've repeatedly said I expect it to be around 70%, give or take. (65-75%).
And what I've said -- 70% without any serious mitigation is far far removed from Israel at 80% plus mitigation/passports (they JUST lifted the outdoor mask mandate... which has already been lifted in most places in the US) and far removed from the 90%+ in the UK, with major mitigation.

What I've said repeatedly, I don't expect us to reach the 80%+ of Israel or the 90%+ of the UK. And I don't know (one way or the other), whether we can achieve herd immunity (really wiping out Covid) only achieving 70% of adults.



...and for the record 71% of eligible people vaccinated will equal 60% of the population until kids under 12 are approved.

You're including 71% of 12-15.... but 12-15 have not currently been approved. As I said repeatedly, 71% of 16+ is NOT the same as 71% of 12+. Israel has gotten to 60% without any 12-15 year-olds getting vaccinated.

You keep trying to shift the goal posts to make them shorter and easier to achieve. Israel gets 60% of the total population, 80% of 16+ vaccinated. You then shift the goal post, "well... we can get to 60% of the total population... with 71% of 12+ vaccinated. But that's not the same thing. Leaving 29% of adults unvaccinated is very different than 20% of adults non-vaccinated or <10% of adults non-vaccinated (the path the UK is on).

Right now, the goal posts are what Israel and the UK are doing: 80%+ of adults, or whatever it takes to get to herd immunity... with daily cases under 5,000-10,000. (Equivalent of Israel right now, would be about 5,000 cases per day).

That's my goal post. In reality, I don't care about the vaccination numbers -- If we only vaccinated 40% of adults and we still got down to 1,000 Covid cases per day, I'll be celebrating the great victory. If we vaccinate 75% of adults but still have 20,000 cases per day, I'll be lamenting the great failure.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I have been furloughed now for a year and three days from Walt Disney World. Furloughs should generally be limited to less than a year. Wish more people cared about those of us still on furlough.
I feel for you and hope that you get called back soon.

Assuming the vaccine pace continues and the vaccines are as effective as advertised we should see a drop in cases soon and hopefully it will be safe to see things open even more including WDW.
 

Chi84

Premium Member

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Here's the thing. I don't believe everyone wants this thing to go away. I really don't.

To wit: everyone who refuses to get vaccinated doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone who refuses to properly wear a mask doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone in and using the media to discourage people from getting vaccinated and wearing masks, and confusing them into thinking it’s some kind of “rights” issue don’t want it to go away.
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
Stop. The. Conspiracy. Theories. Stop blaming people for treating it as something that isn't over (hint: it isn't). Maybe folks should use this conspiratorial energy and, I don't know, put it toward educating the maskless.

Also, stop using the media for taking the blame here. I've had it, officially. I didn't even LOOK at the media last year before people told me I was out of my depths with concern. I read an AP article that tracked cases popping up in the Northwest. Then Westchester County. That's all I needed to know.
No.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
To wit: everyone who refuses to get vaccinated doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone who refuses to properly wear a mask doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone in and using the media to discourage people from getting vaccinated and wearing masks, and confusing them into thinking it’s some kind of “rights” issue don’t want it to go away.
What if a person gets vaccinated and then refuses to wear a mask? What category does that put them in, wants it to go away or not?
 

Tom P.

Well-Known Member
To wit: everyone who refuses to get vaccinated doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone who refuses to properly wear a mask doesn’t want it to go away.

Everyone in and using the media to discourage people from getting vaccinated and wearing masks, and confusing them into thinking it’s some kind of “rights” issue don’t want it to go away.
I think everyone who is able to do so should be vaccinated as soon as they are able to do so. I personally doubt, based on my research, the efficacy of masks in preventing Covid spread, but I also think people should follow the rules and wear them where required without causing problems. And I think, as I've said many times, that the most effective messaging from the media and public health officials would be "once you are fully vaccinated, you can stop wearing the mask and social distancing." I think vaccine hesitancy would drop by about 80% overnight if everyone got coordinated on that message.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Everyday I get an email from Gov. Cuomo giving statistics for the previous day - number inoculated, hospitalized, passed away, etc. This is from yesterday:
Here's what else you need to know tonight:

1. COVID hospitalizations rose to 3,873. Of the 116,483 tests reported yesterday, 3,922, or 3.37 percent, were positive. The 7-day average positivity rate was 2.80 percent. There were 823 patients in ICU yesterday, down 13 from the previous day. Of them, 504 are intubated. Sadly, we lost 45 New Yorkers to the virus.

2. As of 11am this morning, 42.1 percent of New Yorkers have completed at least one vaccine dose. Over the past 24 hours, 154,049 total doses have been administered. To date, New York has administered 13,582,969 total doses with 28.8 percent of New Yorkers completing their vaccine series. See data by region and county on the State's Vaccine Tracker: ny.gov/vaccinetracker.

On the local news this a.m. was this report: https://longisland.news12.com/long-islands-largest-health-system-touts-surplus-of-covid-19-vaccines

I do think that this is just a natural slow-down. I myself drove 22 miles - 40 minutes- to Aqueduct when I got the first available appt., as did my husband and daughter- when they opened to 60+ and/or co-morbitities, and will gladly do it again if a booster is needed. I think those who really, really wanted the vaccine went wherever they could to get it as soon as they could get it. I also think that the next group to get it are those who were waiting to see if we grew a third eye or arm after the vaccine, developed a superpower, or are waiting until their local pharmacy gets them in. I applaud Nassau County for having mobile vaccination trucks going to underserved communities and searching out home-bound people to administer vaccines to.
Remember that the 42.1% is of the whole population but roughly 25% of the population is not eligible to be vaccinated because they are under 16 so that works out to over 56% of eligible people having gone.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Sea World in CA is doing it for out of state guests now. Proof of Vaccinations or a negative Covid test for all guests 3 and up. Not required for CA residents. That’s the first national theme park company I’ve seen implement that. Not required for Sea World FL though.

I can see vaccine passports working for cruises for sure and for large group events like concerts or sporting events. It will never happen for every day activities like restaurants or shopping. My only hold back for WDW right now is kids. Sea World is requiring a negative covid test if you aren’t vaccinated for anyone over 2 so kids 3-11 would all need a negative test since they can’t get the vaccine yet. If you went to WDW for a week and visited a park every day that’s 7 covid tests for your kid. Not sure how many people would go for that.
It would be tough but I have no issue with it. It feels the people with kids are the ones against it.
 

disneygeek90

Premium Member
Sea World in CA is doing it for out of state guests now. Proof of Vaccinations or a negative Covid test for all guests 3 and up. Not required for CA residents. That’s the first national theme park company I’ve seen implement that. Not required for Sea World FL though.

I can see vaccine passports working for cruises for sure and for large group events like concerts or sporting events. It will never happen for every day activities like restaurants or shopping. My only hold back for WDW right now is kids. Sea World is requiring a negative covid test if you aren’t vaccinated for anyone over 2 so kids 3-11 would all need a negative test since they can’t get the vaccine yet. If you went to WDW for a week and visited a park every day that’s 7 covid tests for your kid. Not sure how many people would go for that.
Isn't the Sea World test required within 72 hours? Feasibly you could use the same "negative" test for 3 days. No one is requiring a test every day. Maybe a little annoying but with the rate of rapid test availability not impossible. Heck, they could even have a few test areas set up on WDW property.
 

helenabear

Well-Known Member
I get the idea of being fully vaccinated (we are)
HOWEVER, it is a rule right now at these parks that you wear a mask over your nose and below your chin.
Why should this rule be followed any differently than say you must wear a shirt and shoes.

It is a rule for visiting so folks can decide. If they want to visit they should follow the rules.

Disney changed the rules on the size of strollers. It doesn't mean you can come with a larger stroller and say but last time I came it was OK so I should be able to break the rule this time. Yes this is a new/different rule but it is a rule.
Not sure why you quoted me on this. I never suggested breaking rules, in fact I mentioned it was a rule that some were breaking. I also said I think it is time rules should change.

If you took me saying I wear a looser fitting mask as breaking rules, not sure what to say. What I wear in public is very fitted. I just will loosen straps or wear the surgical style sans a knot. Still in the rules.
 

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