Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Chi84

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So your take is that I can't understand why someone refuses to wear a mask because I have a hard time understanding anything outside of my own experience? Interesting assumption. Unfortunately, it fails since I've listened to people argue against masks and they never make sense. Yeah, there are SOME people with legitimate medical reasons for not being able to wear one. Those aren't the people anyone here questions. It's the people who make fake ADA cards that they claim authorize them to not wear a mask or falsely claim that mask mandates violate the Constitution and then go grocery shopping with their mask only covering their mouths that are the problem. I know people who openly brag about spending hours in bars talking to strangers and swearing up and down that mask mandates are all about some vague plot to take control. So in that respect, I hope to never have an "experience" that makes me think it's okay to openly violate rules in a business while potentially exposing others to a deadly virus just because "I don't wanna wear a mask." An experience I had the other day was stopping to pick up some takeout for dinner with my wife. The restaurant had a sign on the door showing a person wearing a mask and letting customers know that masks must be worn properly while inside picking up your food. A maskless woman walked up to the door, saw the sign, huffed and took out her phone and took a picture of the sign while muttering to herself before getting back in her car and leaving. What "experience" am I - or anyone else here - lacking in life that prevents me from seeing the logic in that behavior? She arrived at the restaurant knowing full well that masks are required because masks are required pretty much everywhere here in NJ. But for some reason, she seemed angry at the restaurant for following the rules and protecting both the employees and customers.
I didn't mean that at all. I was just replying to your statement that it's effortless to wear a mask and you don't understand why anyone is opposed to it. I never meant to defend rule-breakers, but there are people, such as those with hearing impairments, who find it difficult to communicate when everyone is wearing a mask. That's not the only reason - just one example. It's fine if the masks are being used to control the spread of COVID, that's understandable. But it's hard to take when people say everyone should wear masks to show others they care about them or as some kind of signal of solidarity (and people have posted that here). From what you've said above, I think we agree that people should not act like donkeys when confronted with mitigation measures.
 

Willmark

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Now 51 hours after second Pfizer. I had a minor headache pretty much all day yesterday. Felt a little tired during the afternoon but nothing much else to report. About as good as I could have asked for, if I hadn't just had the vaccine I wouldn't have thought anything of it. There is still soreness and redness in the shot area, but other than that I feel totally normal today.
Mrs Willmark got modera, 2nd shot was much more severe as per what people are hearing.

I got Pfizer and didn’t have a reaction either time.

Guess it’s so variable that there is no way to predict who experiences what I should think.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Not just cost of food but time to prepare foods. Many really don't have the time to make a better for you less processed dinner even if the same price (I learned how to make cheap, good foods, but they were time consuming).
Cooking healthy, inexpensive meals is mostly a matter of education.
I own a number of cookbooks where every recipe has 5 ingredients or less.

A big trick to eating healthy without much fuss is to cook food in bulk. Cook a large package of chicken, then freeze in portions for up to a year! There are 1,000 EASY, cheap ways to flavor plain poultry + cooked starches + cooked vegetables. Any combo of meat/veggies/starch + water and bouillon cubes= soup. Eggs are versatile, inexpensive, and easy to cook.

One easy cheat is to save the packets that come with fast food, like honey mustard sauce. ANOTHER easy cheat is to double a fast food meal. One order of fried rice is easily doubled by adding frozen veggies + scrambled egg(s). Soups are also super easy to double. Any leftover food sauce- like Asian brown sauce can be saved and used to flavor a 2nd round of veggies. Many sauces can be doubled just by adding water; it often healthier and tastes better.


Black bean soup is a favorite recipe: super easy, inexpensive, and super variable recipe. Just about every ingredient, even the black beans, is optional: sub just about any bean, except green/pole beans. Use any carrots: baby, frozen, canned, fresh chopped carrots, or no carrots. I love pre-chopped frozen onions!

1. Sauté chopped onions and carrots in a pan with any type of oil until they start to brown.
2. Add 2 cans of rinsed (black) beans, 1/4 cup orange juice (or not), 1/2teaspoon cumin (or not), garlic (or not).
3. Add 2 cups of any type of broth, OR 2 bouillon cubes+2 cups of water, or even plain water! (w/salt at end), maybe 1/8 cup wine/mirin/miso
4. Simmer for 30minutes or longer. Longer tastes better.
6. Just before serving add salt and pepper to taste. Maybe add: hot sauce, peppers, chilies, spinach, corn, etc.

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Serve plain OR with chicken, chips, crackers, jarred salsa, sour cream, plain Greek yogurt, guacamole, chopped mango, and/or:

Salsa A: Mango, cilantro, chopped red onion (raw or cooked)
Salsa B: Avocado, cilantro, chopped red onion

Recipe can be doubled, stored in fridge, and/or frozen. Anyone can make this, and it is even vegan!

As with much of the debate in this thread, it is mostly just a matter of making excuses. Every library has recipe books.
 

GoofGoof

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I get your point, but I'm happy to at least see the state up north trending downwards finally. (And a fairly steep slope, too.)
Agreed. I probably shouldn’t make light as the situation in Michigan was pretty extreme and not at all funny. It’s good to see the cases start coming off. Hopefully they continue to trend down.

The situation right now in the country is a bit confusing. We had NY/NJ/CT/PA and MI spiking cases recently due primarily to the UK variant and we had a similar situation in CA in Winter. It appears that the UK variant can really drive cases up but it also appears that the spikes are relatively short lived and maybe due to vaccine penetration even shorter. You have states like TX and now CA which are relaxing restrictions even more and cases continue to drop. Then there’s FL with limited restrictions but remains a dumpster fire of cases. The major difference seems to be how prevalent the variants are. FL seems to have a lot while TX has much less. The NE states and MI also have a large number of cases from variants. It seems like that may be a bigger factor than mitigations at this point.

The good news is that at least with the UK variant (most common by far in the US) the vaccines are highly effective still so the plan remains the same, vaccinate as quickly as possible. The more we get vaccinated the faster we see cases drop.
 

SamusAranX

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I never said nor implied not to wear masks or take common precautions. Simply act in your own self interest. Plan on people not following precautions wherever you go either a bar, WDW, etc.

Do a risk assesment and act in your self interest. If the risk is too high, do not participate in that activity.

Remember when we were approaching 100,000 deaths from COVID in the U.S. and people were like, "OMG, that's a lot. That's horrible!"

Well, we're approaching 100,000 deaths from COVID amongst people with no comorbidities alone.

The *relative* lower risk of "normal, healthy, younger people" catches up to us all when the numbers are large.

Some people use this *relative* lower risk of "the healthy" to dismiss the severity of the pandemic.

If there were no vaccines and no COVID protocols (masks and distancing), the 100K deaths of those with no comorbidities would become much, much higher.

Everyone needs to find inner strength to persevere and and be patient and get vaccinated and continue safety protocols before another 100K "healthy" people die, or another 568K ordinary people die or another 3 million human beings on the earth die.
Please see earlier posts of mine; I am not trying to minimize the pandemic; I think it's helpful to however, to look at the facts to help made a balanced decision about your day to day life. In my case, because my risk is lower (again *lower* not nonexistent) I am comfortable with say, going to get groceries in person; visit the beach (not on spring break lol), dine outside, see a few lower risk friends or vaccinated friends who do not live with someone higher risk, and so on. however, I am cognizant of the fact my actions can affect others who have no choice but to be at the aforementioned public places (well, excluding the beach haha). So I mask up. I would not visit my older relatives, even my parents, until they were vaccinated.

On the other hand I have friends mentioned earlier with cystic fibrosis; dad has kidney disease, mom has autoimmune; another friend who lives with their grandmother; these ones made the decision to only leave home for absolutely essential activities because of their circumstances. Not even getting groceries in person masked.

My basic point is I am comfortable with my risk level as long as I am taking others into account. I don't want to be overly fearful because some my age have been affected beyond the average outcome; on the other hand others my age or in good health may still say 1 percent is too much for me, so I will use an abundance of caution.

However, once your decisions can affect others, regardless of your risk level, you should evaluate how and when you implement those choices. Long story short: use the facts (not feelings) to not live in morbid fear, but don't get cocky either.
 
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SamusAranX

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Here's a thought - the interests of society in general IS your own self-interest. If the pandemic continues to rage due to noncompliance and anti-vax nonsense conspiracy theories (like Bill Gates using vaccines to kill and/or track people) then people will continue to get sick and die in numbers that outpace any other virus seen today, people will continue to be out of work, and the economy will not recover the way people want and need. So unless you're selling caskets, headstones, or PPE then there's a good chance that you will be impacted by the short-sighted selfish behavior of others whether you want it to or not.
Dang, I knew I should have invested in my sixth cousins', twice removed, granite business in 2019

(This is a joke, morbid one, in case anyone doesn't get it)
 

SamusAranX

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If this activity is outside the comfort level of your risk assesment, remove yourself from the the risk area. Possibly shop at a less busy time or.do delivery if available.

As to the cashier, that is her own risk assesment. The cashier is responsible for herself.

I don't agree about the cashier, sorry. That may be his/her only source of income, and right now is not a good time to leave a job if you can help it.
 

pixie225

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Daughter had no side effects with first Pfizer vaccine. Got 2nd Pfizer Saturday afternoon. (4pm). 12 hours later to the minute she woke up with headache, body aches, very sore arm, very tired, and said "even her insides hurt." She napped pretty much all day Sunday. Monday morning said her head was a bit "fuzzy" but that was it. By lunchtime she was fine. She had had covid March 2020. We heard that people who had covid previously could possibly have more side effects with the vaccine. She did.
 

corsairk09

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If someone has been telling the overweight that deserve it if they don’t care for themselves and walk off a few pounds or whatever, why shouldn’t that same person if an anti-vaxxer not be told they likewise deserve it if they won’t take a free and readily available vaccine?
Ok......

I hear you.......

And for the record I NEVER and WOULD NEVER say that ANYONE deserves death or that it is their fault they were sick........

But how is "we need to start having honest conversations about how obesity affects overall heath" the same as "Drop dead anti-vaxxers"?

Are we really not willing to recognize how hateful that kind of speech is? Are we really... as a community..... willing to accept that kind of sentiment towards one another instead of compassion and understanding?
 

SamusAranX

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Ok......

I hear you.......

And for the record I NEVER and WOULD NEVER say that ANYONE deserves death or that it is their fault they were sick........

But how is "we need to start having honest conversations about how obesity affects overall heath" the same as "Drop dead anti-vaxxers"?

Are we really not willing to recognize how hateful that kind of speech is? Are we really... as a community..... willing to accept that kind of sentiment towards one another instead of compassion and understanding?

Education about obesity is sorely needed, especially with COVID raging. I just think the timing of pointing it out mid pandemic is probably not in the best taste.

For example, I hate smoking, know it's risks, and am salty that our health care costs are higher partially due to smokers; but if someone who smoked dies of lung cancer, it's not exactly the best time to say "shouldn't have smoked" or "we need to have an honest conversation about smoking". May be correct, but words are alot about when and how you say, not what you say.
 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out - there were 62 new reported deaths, along with 5 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

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sullyinMT

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Ok......

I hear you.......

And for the record I NEVER and WOULD NEVER say that ANYONE deserves death or that it is their fault they were sick........

But how is "we need to start having honest conversations about how obesity affects overall heath" the same as "Drop dead anti-vaxxers"?

Are we really not willing to recognize how hateful that kind of speech is? Are we really... as a community..... willing to accept that kind of sentiment towards one another instead of compassion and understanding?
Sometimes people speak strongly when we speak out of frustration, exhaustion, or outright anger. I understand the underlying sentiment.
 

corsairk09

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Education about obesity is sorely needed, especially with COVID raging. I just think the timing of pointing it out mid pandemic is probably not in the best taste.

For example, I hate smoking, know it's risks, and am salty that our health care costs are higher partially due to smokers; but if someone who smoked dies of lung cancer, it's not exactly the best time to say "shouldn't have smoked" or "we need to have an honest conversation about smoking". May be correct, but words are alot about when and how you say, not what you say.
I understand what you are saying completely.

You explained my issue with the "drop dead anti-vaxxer" comment.
 
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