Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

On the Israel front they did officially relax their mask mandates and are no longer requiring masks outdoors.

Israel Drops Outdoor Mask Order, Though Other COVID-19 Rules Still Apply

Israel is leading the charge in the fight against COVID-19

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Another study released recently show that vaccines were far more effective in reducing cases than lockdowns. This was a study out of Israel. Just some additional food for thought.

Vaccinations, not lockdown, lead to sharper decline in coronavirus among over-60s

Vaccinations caused a "larger and earlier" decline in coronavirus cases and hospitalisations in over-60s than lockdown, the first real-world study comparing the two interventions has found. Last week, Boris Johnson said it was "very, very important" for the country to understand that the recent...

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[DisneyFan32]

On the Israel front they did officially relax their mask mandates and are no longer requiring masks outdoors.

Israel Drops Outdoor Mask Order, Though Other COVID-19 Rules Still Apply

Israel is leading the charge in the fight against COVID-19

www.yahoo.com

Another study released recently show that vaccines were far more effective in reducing cases than lockdowns. This was a study out of Israel. Just some additional food for thought.

Vaccinations, not lockdown, lead to sharper decline in coronavirus among over-60s

Vaccinations caused a "larger and earlier" decline in coronavirus cases and hospitalisations in over-60s than lockdown, the first real-world study comparing the two interventions has found. Last week, Boris Johnson said it was "very, very important" for the country to understand that the recent...

news.yahoo.com

Soon US will relax mask mandates and are no longer requiring masks outdoors by next month or June/July, by no longer requiring masks indoors later summer also is I can't wear masks in this fall/winter anymore for good as masks will be gone by late summer/fall/winter?

 

[JoeCamel]

Soon US will relax mask mandates and are no longer requiring masks outdoors by next month or June/July, by no longer requiring masks indoors later summer also is I can't wear masks in this fall/winter anymore for good as masks will be gone by late summer/fall/winter?

I doubt that we will not ask people to mask until late this year. We are a long ways behind Israel but we are moving forward. Eventually we will be able to drop the masks and hug our neighbors but that is months away not next month. Maybe by July we can have small gatherings with other vaccinated people and do the normal - drink - eat - no masks but overall the recommendations will not change.

You keep asking about July, are you hoping/planning for a trip? I know you had plans for the end of May but put those off?

 

[UNCgolf]

Just an opinion but for what we paid we should own the patents for the vaccine, no other country could have provided the incentive for development and the price paid was above average. I doubt they would have been developed in as short of time or at all because it was the right thing to do.

I believe that's only true for the Moderna vaccine. Germany was more responsible for developing the Pfizer one.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I doubt that we will not ask people to mask until late this year. We are a long ways behind Israel but we are moving forward. Eventually we will be able to drop the masks and hug our neighbors but that is months away not next month. Maybe by July we can have small gatherings with other vaccinated people and do the normal - drink - eat - no masks but overall the recommendations will not change.

You keep asking about July, are you hoping/planning for a trip? I know you had plans for the end of May but put those off?

Maybe by September/October as masks will be gone?

 

[DC0703]

Yeah, my dad and I are just fine, too. In fact, my super needle averse 65 year old father had no side affects to report at all. I can’t say anything I experienced was vaccine abnormal, just maybe more pronounced.

Is this the result of some YouTube “specialist’s” reaction to the extremely early days and anaphylactic reactions? I’m baffled.

Though YouTube/social media could be part of the mix, I suspect it's more of a convenient excuse. If you say "I can't get vaccinated because I am allergic to XXXX" or "The vaccine conflicts with a medication I am on," it sounds like you have a justified reason for not getting vaccinated and people will often drop the topic.

A person who legitimately wants the vaccine but thinks they cannot get it due to an allergy or drug interaction will be happy if you provide them some good information showing how they can get it safely. A person using their allergy or medications as an excuse will get defensive or dismissive since they know you are seeing through their facade.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

One final thing... most people with a reported reaction to penicillin aren't actually allergic to it. The rash that children frequently get after treatment of strep throat with a penicillin usually results from a non-allergic immune reaction to the cell contents of the dead bacteria, not an allergic reaction to the medication. Now, if there was throat swelling, and shortness of breath... that probably was a real allergy to penicillin.

Well I’ve learned something here! All my life I’ve thought I was allergic to penicillin!

 

[GaBoy]

Maybe by September/October as masks will be gone?

Somebody on this thread needs a vacation bad.

 

[havoc315]

We can agree to disagree. You have made your opinions clear that you do not believe the vaccines will work in the US. I choose to remain optimistic and see how it plays out. Neither of us knows what will happen. Your idea of success appears to be cases going to near zero and so if that‘s the metric then I agree we may not hit that in 3-4 months or ever. I think we can and will see a return to normal and a relaxing of restrictions when cases are higher than that.

When did I ever say they won’t work?!?

They will work. If enough people take them and we do the hard work of mitigation. If we do that, then we will get cases pretty close to zero. (As long as we have any international travel, there will be sporadic cases imported, leading to very small outbreaks. Just like measles).
You seem to be trying to set an expectation of “good enough.”

 

[lazyboy97o]

Though YouTube/social media could be part of the mix, I suspect it's more of a convenient excuse. If you say "I can't get vaccinated because I am allergic to XXXX" or "The vaccine conflicts with a medication I am on," it sounds like you have a justified reason for not getting vaccinated and people will often drop the topic.

A person who legitimately wants the vaccine but thinks they cannot get it due to an allergy or drug interaction will be happy if you provide them some good information showing how they can get it safely. A person using their allergy or medications as an excuse will get defensive or dismissive since they know you are seeing through their facade.

I remember reading something awhile about arguing that a lot of people had sort of lied themselves into food allergies they do not have. If someone offers you something and you say you are allergic they drop it and apologize. It’s rude to refuse an offer and may even be viewed as childish to not try something but an allergy will just be accepted. They’ve said they are allergic so many times and are committed to it that they eventually believe they are despite never having a reaction or test.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Somebody on this thread needs a vacation bad.

Someone just needs some reassurance. Cut people a break, please.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I remember reading something awhile about arguing that a lot of people had sort of lied themselves into food allergies they do not have. If someone offers you something and you say you are allergic they drop it and apologize. It’s rude to refuse an offer and may even be viewed as childish to not try something but an allergy will just be accepted. They’ve said they are allergic so many times and are committed to it that they eventually believe they are despite never having a reaction or test.

You can actually make yourself VERY sick by doing that. My husband's aunt starved herself to death in a long-term care facility because she convinced herself that her body couldn't handle food. (It could - per the nurses and doctors.)

The scariest part? She was a nurse.

 

[GaBoy]

Someone just needs some reassurance. Cut people a break, please.

No I meant me seriously though I get it. Needing definitive answers when there aren't any.

 

[DC0703]

I remember reading something awhile about arguing that a lot of people had sort of lied themselves into food allergies they do not have. If someone offers you something and you say you are allergic they drop it and apologize. It’s rude to refuse an offer and may even be viewed as childish to not try something but an allergy will just be accepted. They’ve said they are allergic so many times and are committed to it that they eventually believe they are despite never having a reaction or test.

As someone with a life-threatening nut allergy, these kind of people frustrate me. Because their allergy is not real, they are inconsistent in avoidance their supposed allergen, and people (particularly restaurant servers) take notice of it. Say, if the gluten allergic individual is suddenly chowing down on a big hunk of chocolate cake. As a result, it encourages skepticism of the severity of allergies that endangers those with real legitimate anaphylaxis risks.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

As someone with a life-threatening nut allergy, these kind of people frustrate me. Because their allergy is not real, they are inconsistent in avoidance their supposed allergen, and people (particularly restaurant servers) take notice of it. Say, if the gluten allergic individual is suddenly chowing down on a big hunk of chocolate cake. As a result, it encourages skepticism of the severity of allergies that endangers those with real legitimate anaphylaxis risks.

I will never forget the day my 3rd grade teacher put his fist nearly through a reinforced glass window to protect his son from getting stung by a bee because he would have had a massive allergic reaction. Etched onto my mind permanently.

 

[JoeCamel]

Maybe by September/October as masks will be gone?

Maybe but I'm leaning towards winter right now. If we see a drop off a cliff in new cases due to vaccinations then I'm sure it would be sooner but I will wait to see if it happens as expected. This virus is wiley like the coyote but hopefully we can be the roadrunner adjusting as we go until we get back to a more normal way of life.

 

[Figgy1]

As someone with a life-threatening nut allergy, these kind of people frustrate me. Because their allergy is not real, they are inconsistent in avoidance their supposed allergen, and people (particularly restaurant servers) take notice of it. Say, if the gluten allergic individual is suddenly chowing down on a big hunk of chocolate cake. As a result, it encourages skepticism of the severity of allergies that endangers those with real legitimate anaphylaxis risks.

^^^This makes it harder on those with celiac which isn't an allergy but a metabolic disorder and those with allergies

 

[HarperRose]

Just an opinion but for what we paid we should own the patents for the vaccine, no other country could have provided the incentive for development and the price paid was above average. I doubt they would have been developed in as short of time or at all because it was the right thing to do.

Who wants to tell him??

 

[HarperRose]

The most severe side effects they observed in the Pfizer and Moderna trials were anaphylaxis, and a little over half of the subjects who experienced this reaction had a previous history of a similar reaction to something (could have been a medication, food, bee sting, etc.). So initially, one of the precautions for vaccine recipients was to wait in the observation area for a little longer if they had a prior history of anaphylaxis (people with a history of reaction to a known vaccine component, like polyethylene glycol, are advised not to receive the injection at all). However, even with the prior history, provided it isn't a reaction to one of the components, the risk of this complication from the vaccines is still exceptionally low. And although anaphylaxis is scary, it's also relatively easy to treat.

One final thing... most people with a reported reaction to penicillin aren't actually allergic to it. The rash that children frequently get after treatment of strep throat with a penicillin usually results from a non-allergic immune reaction to the cell contents of the dead bacteria, not an allergic reaction to the medication. Now, if there was throat swelling, and shortness of breath... that probably was a real allergy to penicillin.

I'm allergic to penicillin.

 

[GoofGoof]

I doubt that we will not ask people to mask until late this year. We are a long ways behind Israel but we are moving forward. Eventually we will be able to drop the masks and hug our neighbors but that is months away not next month. Maybe by July we can have small gatherings with other vaccinated people and do the normal - drink - eat - no masks but overall the recommendations will not change.

You keep asking about July, are you hoping/planning for a trip? I know you had plans for the end of May but put those off?

Not too long a ways behind Israel. About 6 weeks on vaccinations. 6 weeks ago Israel had vaccinated roughly 50% of their adult population. At the same time they had a 7 day daily average of 3,681 cases a day or 40 cases per 100,000 people. This was the end of their plateau in cases that occurred right after they ended their lockdown. Today they are at 159 cases a day or 1.7 per 100,000. They had a 96% drop in cases in 6 weeks.

The current US 7 day daily average is 70,451 cases a day or 21 cases per 100,000 people. We just crossed the 50% of adults started vaccination threshold last weekend so about where Israel was 6 weeks ago. With vaccines we are on pace to get to 60% of the population at least started by the end of May (roughly 6 weeks) and Israel today sits at 59% of their total population with at least 1 shot. In about 6 weeks we should be caught up to Israel on vaccinations.

I am not saying we will be at 1.7 cases per 100,000 people by June 1 (that would be great ) but we should see the impact of vaccines and cases should be way down. I know Israel implemented a vaccine passport system when their lockdown ended and we have no such system, but the system didn’t limit any private gatherings or public things like museums, grocery stores, retail shopping or many other common activities. It did limit bars/clubs, indoor dining, sporting events and other large group gatherings to those who are vaccinated. It’s unknown at this time how much of the drop in cases is tied to that system and how much would have happened anyway. The other point overlooked is Israel was at a point that was nearly double the population adjusted daily cases compared to where we are today. So they had better mitigations but had a bigger number to get down from. Again, not a lock that we follow their example, but it gives you a ballpark idea how effective the vaccines can be and at what level of the population vaccinated.