Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Parker in NYC]

I am amazed at the reports of people only getting the first dose of the two dose vaccines. Referring to those who voluntarily refuse the second dose, what are they thinking?

I’m not amazed.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Not exactly. You’re stating the exception to the rule. Yes, you can die from covid. But statistically speaking you’re less likely to as a younger and fit adult.

Point being that I sure wouldn't want to take the chance at being one of those exceptions. I don't know why anyone would be willing to do so.

 

[SamusAranX]

I’m all for a vaccine passport for international travel. I also would be for it for domestic travel but I recognize that will never happen

 

[disneygeek90]

24 hours after second Pfizer. Zero symptoms whatsoever aside from the same sore arm as dose 1.

 

[SamusAranX]

Point being that I sure wouldn't want to take the chance at being one of those exceptions. I don't know why anyone would be willing to do so.

Because risk evaluation has *always* been a personal choice is many matters. I’m not talking about vaccination, it’s very obvious that your choice there will affect others if you’re out in public. Which 99 percent of us are.

I wonder why people choose to climb Everest or skydive, but they do it anyway. They judge the risk.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Point being that I sure wouldn't want to take the chance at being one of those exceptions. I don't know why anyone would be willing to do so.

That sums up the whole debacle.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Not exactly. You’re stating the exception to the rule. Yes, you can die from covid. But statistically speaking you’re less likely to as a younger and fit adult.

It's not just about dying.

 

[mmascari]

That is why I 100% support vaccine passports. You don't want to get vaccinated, fine, but you will be unwelcome anywhere that isn't your local grocery store or bar.

You want to do activities that involve putting other people potentially at risk? Ooops, sorry, you aren't allowed to enter.

Why not the local grocery and bar too? The employees there have just as much right to choose which world they live in, the vaccinated one or the hold outs. Wouldn't a vaccinated person prefer to shop/dine/entertainment in the vaccinated bubble with all vaccinated staff? Stores could compete on the difference. Vaccine required store charges a premium, offset by not needing mitigation measures. Vaccine optional store gives a discount, by getting people to just accept the risk. Market forces, and cases tied back to businesses impact on market forces, will shape the outcome. Worlds of haves and have-nots.

This is assuming we don't get enough vaccinated and are not able to reduce spread. First choice is reductions, and then even the few that don't vaccinate can ride the coat tails of everyone else getting spread low. A grocery or bar wouldn't have to decide, and shouldn't, if we can reduce spread enough. Not needing is clearly the first and better choice. Having to show a vaccine passport for regular everyday interactions feels rather dystopian.

The beginning of vaccine passports for travel. I don't think it will be temporary.

Hasn't this always been a thing for international travel?

Perhaps not as robust or wide scale. Presumably traveling between the US and France before COVID had similar infectious disease profiles. But, someone moving to/from a county with a different profile, say yellow fever or TB that's widespread, would have different requirements. I see this as simply scaling that function up. As pretty much every country has a different COVID profile these days, and will for some time to come.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Because risk evaluation has *always* been a personal choice is many matters. I’m not talking about vaccination, it’s very obvious that your choice there will affect others if you’re out in public. Which 99 percent of us are.

I wonder why people choose to climb Everest or skydive, but they do it anyway. They judge the risk.

Yes, but in all other scenarios, the person taking the risk is able to take the necessary steps to ensure their own safety. With a particle-born virus, we're all stuck relying on others as well as ourselves.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Because risk evaluation has *always* been a personal choice is many matters. I’m not talking about vaccination, it’s very obvious that your choice there will affect others if you’re out in public. Which 99 percent of us are.

I wonder why people choose to climb Everest or skydive, but they do it anyway. They judge the risk.

Getting on a train is nowhere near climbing Everest or skydiving. The comparisons are laughably ridiculous. But I mean, if the song and dance has lasted this long, might as well resurrect the hit song “But What About The Flu (feat. Complicit)”.

 

[HarperRose]

Why not the local grocery and bar too? The employees there have just as much right to choose which world they live in, the vaccinated one or the hold outs. Wouldn't a vaccinated person prefer to shop/dine/entertainment in the vaccinated bubble with all vaccinated staff? Stores could compete on the difference. Vaccine required store charges a premium, offset by not needing mitigation measures. Vaccine optional store gives a discount, by getting people to just accept the risk. Market forces, and cases tied back to businesses impact on market forces, will shape the outcome. Worlds of haves and have-nots.

This is assuming we don't get enough vaccinated and are not able to reduce spread. First choice is reductions, and then even the few that don't vaccinate can ride the coat tails of everyone else getting spread low. A grocery or bar wouldn't have to decide, and shouldn't, if we can reduce spread enough. Not needing is clearly the first and better choice. Having to show a vaccine passport for regular everyday interactions feels rather dystopian.


Hasn't this always been a thing for international travel?

Perhaps not as robust or wide scale. Presumably traveling between the US and France before COVID had similar infectious disease profiles. But, someone moving to/from a county with a different profile, say yellow fever or TB that's widespread, would have different requirements. I see this as simply scaling that function up. As pretty much every country has a different COVID profile these days, and will for some time to come.

You must not spend much time in WI supper clubs/bars. Not that I do, either, but there have been literally hundreds of firsthand reports over the last year on how a global pandemic has ceased to change anything in their operations.

As far as grocery stores, we can't even get grocery stores to enforce masks, so thinking they're going to enforce a vaccine passport? Not. A. Chance.

 

[mmascari]

There were kiosks you could use around each park to book or change fastpasses.

I forgot about those. I remember a trip now, after they removed them at every ride when you couldn't do every change on the phone yet and needing one of those. I think you can do everything on the phone now at least.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Re: the anecdotal nurse story..
"One of the nurses who works in our clinic contracted COVID-19. She follows the same protocols as everyone else, and does not know how she contracted it. Unfortunately, she was initially hesitant to take the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines offered by the hospital to all employees, so she only received one dose before she became ill."

A huge take away here is that she followed protocols and still contracted it, even after the first dose.
Following protocols is not a guarantee any more than wearing a seat belt in a car with airbags, cameras/auto brake/stop, etc. will prevent serious injury in a car crash, but you know, we do it anyway because it reduces the odds.
The only way to practically eliminate the risk of serious injury from a car accident is to not ever be in a car or near one.

The nurse contracted it because she was exposed and it got in. It's not a matter of needing to know how. She's on the front lines at a clinic. It's no mystery. It could be an asymptomatic carrier. It could be another like her who only got one shot. It could be from someone with both shots, but not 2 weeks later immunized, or even yes, from someone with both shots and fully immunized. There's not a guarantee with any of this.

Yet some might see this as she did everything she could, got vaccinated, still caught it, got sick and survived, just like a flu, so why are their "liberties" being curtailed. That's sad and scary. All the more reason for pressures of many kinds to be imposed to get people vaccinated, whether they be vaccine passports, discussions with the reluctant, and yes, I still maintain the idea of a reduction in insurance coverage for those that refuse any vaccine if allowed to get it( yes, barring documented medical reasons, but not "beliefs") That's a pressure that hits the pocketbook, sometimes the only one people can accept.

Just pulling up Wisconsin as an example re: insurance companies reducing coverage re: seatbelts...
Wisconsin law requires drivers and passengers to wear seatbelts. Not wearing a seatbelt can affect how much money you recover from an insurance company for damages and injuries sustained in an accident. Wisconsin's law requiring safety belt use allows a damage claim to be reduced by as much as 15 percent for parties not wearing safety belts, according to Brent Smith, a Johns, Flaherty & Collins attorney.
This is a global pandemic in which a lot of things were put on hold for good reason and a lot of restrictions were enacted with penalties for non-compliance for the public good. It's not unreasonable to think other restrictions or compliance requirements be added with penalties of one kind or another, such as the right for businesses to refuse service to those without a vaccine passport.


I am amazed at the reports of people only getting the first dose of the two dose vaccines. Referring to those who voluntarily refuse the second dose, what are they thinking?

Just so everyone is clear on the case I reported, the nurse fully plans to get her second vaccine dose. It was just unfortunate that she was exposed between doses.

But this scenario illustrates the importance of receiving both doses, especially now that we're all swimming in a soup of more contagious variants.

 

[mmascari]

You must not spend much time in WI supper clubs/bars. Not that I do, either, but there have been literally hundreds of firsthand reports over the last year on how a global pandemic has ceased to change anything in their operations.

As far as grocery stores, we can't even get grocery stores to enforce masks, so thinking they're going to enforce a vaccine passport? Not. A. Chance.

Oh definitely, the entire idea of a minimum wage employee being the one to enforce the restriction when Jim shows up saying he "forgot" the passport is horrendous.

In those areas, it probably wouldn't be existing grocery stores, but new ones. Remember, this is the dystopian future where spread never get's low enough and there's impacts well above flu level every year. In this world, new boutique grocery stores will emerge that require them from the start. Probably club memberships to go with them. I hope we never have to see this world. I'm worried we're not going to have a choice.

 

[Chi84]

You must not spend much time in WI supper clubs/bars. Not that I do, either, but there have been literally hundreds of firsthand reports over the last year on how a global pandemic has ceased to change anything in their operations.

As far as grocery stores, we can't even get grocery stores to enforce masks, so thinking they're going to enforce a vaccine passport? Not. A. Chance.

It wouldn't be a matter of getting them to enforce it. What @mmascari described was a situation in which certain stores would offer the benefit of knowing that employees and other customers are vaccinated. It would be voluntary on their part so enforcing it would be their decision. I'm not at all sure if this would be viable for everyday businesses such as grocery stores, but if there's a market for something you can bet some business will try to tap into it.

 

[UNCgolf]

24 hours after second Pfizer. Zero symptoms whatsoever aside from the same sore arm as dose 1.

I didn't get side effects until about 30 hours after my second Pfizer shot. Had a mild fever and some chills that evening but it was gone in the morning.

Only other side effect I had was a swollen lymph node in the arm where I received the shot, which is apparently one of the rarer effects.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You must not spend much time in WI supper clubs/bars. Not that I do, either, but there have been literally hundreds of firsthand reports over the last year on how a global pandemic has ceased to change anything in their operations.

As far as grocery stores, we can't even get grocery stores to enforce masks, so thinking they're going to enforce a vaccine passport? Not. A. Chance.

What in redneck hell is a supper club?

 

[Parker in NYC]

What in redneck hell is a supper club?

The Dubonnet Club

The Dubonnet Club is an upscale London supper club in The Great Muppet Caper. Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy, under the alias of "Lady Holiday," go there for their date (with Fozzie Bear and Gonzo in tow). The menu consists of such typically fashionable items as caviar, champagne (which, with...

muppet.fandom.com

 

[Nubs70]

What in redneck hell is a supper club?

A restaurant by any other name. I found the nomenclature frequently used in NE Wisconsin. I think it may be a hold over from prohibition days.

 

[DCBaker]

The portal for the OCCC vaccination site opened on Friday and still has plenty of slots open -