Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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ImperfectPixie

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I hope he takes appropriate precautions all the time, especially during flu season :)

I would like to share your optimism but this administration isn't exactly known for wanting to have facts, much less acting on them

Actual numbers properly reported may actually do just the opposite

More data, properly used is always good.
He’s as careful as he can be considering he needs to work and is under doctor’s orders to not wear a face mask of any kind. He and his boss butt heads often, unfortunately.

I loooove data...the more the better. As an autism parent, one of my biggest criticisms of Autism Speaks (a charity) aside from them promoting a “cure” was that ALL of their studies used tiny samples, so there was no way their data was accurate. (For example, one of their studies took place in Florida, and their data and final opinion was based on 17 families FOR THE ENTIRE STATE.) I just really don’t have any faith at all in the general public’s ability to handle reality...because so far, they aren’t. A large part of the population is either freaking the hell out and stocking up as if it’s the end of the world or laughing at people practicing social distancing.
 

thomas998

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Bottom line is neither you nor I have the first clue about any of this. Every single thing you just said in your post is an absolute guess.
And most everything the media has been spewing 24/7 has been worst case scenarios based on guesses by modelers. It is causing more problems than it is helping and when the dust settles and the entire mess turns out to be much less deadly than we were led to believe the public will be even less likely to heed any warning in the future when something even worse actually comes about.
 
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ImperfectPixie

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And most everything the media has been spewing 24/7 has been worst case scenarios based on guesses by modelers. It is causing more problems than it is helping and when the dust settles and the entire mess turns out to be much less deadly than we were led to believe the public will be even less likely to head any warning in the future when something even worse actually comes about.
I’ve been criticizing their handling of this since almost the beginning.
 

Rich Brownn

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It's a bad thing because the other day I had to look down to make sure I had pants on going into Target. It was a concern that I may have left my house in my underwear. I have childern so I haven't wander the house in a long time naked but I don't have a problem with that.
People worry about the deaths and forget about the people who recovered from serious complications, which is quite a lot. Most of the time in those cases long term damage is done to the system.For example, pneumonia often leaves scarred lung tissues which causes breathing issues for a long time, if not forever.
 

thomas998

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Depends on how long this goes on for. Disney is exposed to theme parks, cruise ships and movie theaters. All 3 are closed for business. ESPN has no programing and that's Disney's cash cow in TV. Have you really thought this through?

My question is this. What happens a month from now when the government still has everything closed down and the young are broke, jobless and angry at the old people? There will be a breaking point.
I have a bad feeling that Disney shares are going to go down even more than this when their next quarterly earning come out because it will have some big revenue short falls that will result in another whack by the market. Just think, not only have they closed the theme parks for the rest of the month, they've lost out on any ad revenue from showing March Madness games and any NBA games. I have a bad feeling the number for first quarter are going to be worse than any analyst expects.
 

ifan

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That's true. But the government official was spinning the story that the entire country was going to have that problem which was ridiculous then and is still ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. Most ICU's run at very close to capacity on a good day, especially at this time of year in northern hemisphere. Even a tiny increase in very sick patients will put the entire hospital system under load.

Making matters worse is the fact that we aren't doing a good job of protecting our healthcare workers with enough PPE. A vocal group of doctors online are complaining in the past 24 hours that they can't even get tests for themselves (symptomatic) - and just told to go home for 14 days. Some hospitals forcing staff to use their vacation time or short term disability for this. This takes a decent chunk of nurses and doctors out of the system, making our hospital capacity even worse.
 

thomas998

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The real handling would have been to limit international travel from the getgo. Before it was even in the US. But it would have been viewed as an overreaction.
Very true. As soon as it was seen in China the US should have closed down all international flight from outside the US, not just China but everywhere because the sad fact is that people in China that were exposed could and would lie about ever being in China if they were trying to get to the US which would have allowed direct carrier to get it into the US... then throw in the fact that airplanes and airports are the best places to get infected and we should have just closed down any chances when it was still outside the US.
 

ifan

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For now the government has choosen to collapse the US economy which will lead to a bunch of bad stuff, have to ask the question is it really worth it to save 80-90 year olds? Because that is really what this is for, saving the old and feeble out there. How many young peoples lives is it worth destroying to save an 80 year old who will die soon anyways? In my opinion none. You had your time, what happens after that is up to God.

There will be an increase in wife beatings/killings. There will be an increase in robberies/murders etc. There will be an increase in suicides. Funny thing is when you reduce to people to nothing peasants they get violent. It's a loss of hope for anything good to come their way. If this continues for months the rank and file will get violent.
When your 42 year old neighbor dies in a few weeks you might have a different opinion.

It is possible to argue that this "cure" is worse than the virus itself. But I wouldn't proclaim that anyone under 80 is safe. There are hundreds of younger people (30-59) in the ICU right this moment fighting for their lives from this virus. That number will continue to grow.
 

thecouch

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Just remember losses and debt for big business is different then for us. They will be able to write it for for years to come against future profits and for profits they would have had to pay this year. If the business was in good position and under good management before hand they will be OK after.
 

thecouch

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For now the government has choosen to collapse the US economy which will lead to a bunch of bad stuff, have to ask the question is it really worth it to save 80-90 year olds? Because that is really what this is for, saving the old and feeble out there. How many young peoples lives is it worth destroying to save an 80 year old who will die soon anyways? In my opinion none. You had your time, what happens after that is up to God.
There will be an increase in wife beatings/killings. There will be an increase in robberies/murders etc. There will be an increase in suicides. Funny thing is when you reduce to people to nothing peasants they get violent. It's a loss of hope for anything good to come their way. If this continues for months the rank and file will get violent.
Donald trump 73, Biden 77, bernie 78 and most of there politicians buddies might answer your question
 

A Noble Fish

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And most everything the media has been spewing 24/7 has been worst case scenarios based on guesses by modelers. It is causing more problems than it is helping and when the dust settles and the entire mess turns out to be much less deadly than we were led to believe the public will be even less likely to heed any warning in the future when something even worse actually comes about.
Those 'guesses' you describe aren't guesses. Science (and evidence in general) allows for accurate predictions and modeling. If it wasn't for quarantines it would most likely reach that peak. The quarantines are based on those models, based on the evidence we have firsthand and based on its genome. In the same way, that evolution has literally allowed us to predict species in the past, we can use evidence for the future that can be trusted. Flu vaccines would not save thousands of lives each year if it weren't for these predictions.

The science said that we needed to prepare by having test kits, and preventative measures, we didn't do either because people didn't believe in these 'models', so now we've had it come upon us faster than it should have, with significantly more cases than are being reported. Delaying the inevitable allows hospitals to not overcrowd. Failure to do so could see worst-case scenario 7-15% of people getting it die instead of the 1-3% with enough hospital capacity. Not to mention other conditions that cannot then be treated due to overcrowded beds.

Preparing calmly is the logical thing to do. Otherwise, you will reach something like that worst-case scenario. Weighing evidence against evidence then you can craft a response to it, but to cast it aside is absurd. The media actually got this one right. Countries don't cause economic collapse for the yearly flu.

Literally everything in science or good business decisions, foreign policy decisions, anything government-related, even education, or any choice in life are data-driven and based on evidence to then be used to logically determine a solution. If you start from a biased beginning the data leads to inaccurate results, but if you don't then you can actually understand the world more. Myself and others have been able to predict both the virus spread and recession due to evidence that we logically understood. It's the people that don't care to try that are left out. You don't have to be a statistician to know this. You don't have to be a scientist to understand the fundamentals, nor does an economics degree act as a tell-all. All it takes is receiving impartial news, researching individuals topics, and then expanding that to an understanding of various industries to craft an accurate (not ideological) worldview.

Sometimes there are multiple logical solutions, but you weigh the causes and effects of actions to come to a conclusion. The real world doesn't allow ideologues to have all the fun. It's the pragmatic individuals who make the best decisions.

It's really not magic. You might want to click my signature to make sure you aren't receiving biased/fake news. That's a good place to start.
 
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Giss Neric

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West Virginia, the only state without a case for a while, just recently reported it's first case. All 50 states now have cases.
 
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