Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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Seems we are in the early stages of a worldwide surge, and most US states are trending the wrong way as well. Wouldn’t be surprised to see restrictions increase again soon in many states - hopefully for the last time.
It’s too early to say the US is in the same boat as Europe. The US curve has a slight upturn, but there’s no guarantee it stays an upward curve, we had a similar blip about a month ago and it turned back downward a week later. If a week or 2 from now it’s surging upward then it’s time to be alarmed. Europe is clearly in a new wave. Look at the graphs below:

US cases:
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European cases:
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GoofGoof

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To add to the comparisons from across the pond, while the rest of Europe is surging the UK is still holding steady and is plateauing some but not swinging up. Just under 44% of the population there has been at least partially vaccinated. Vaccines work. Get your shot as soon as eligible and we can all get back to normal. :)
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Stitch826

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How so?

In my uninformed opinion, I'd like the powers that be and also the news to start focusing on benefits based reasons to get vaccines rather than fear based. I understand why reporting of what could happen if we let our guard down, etc., but now I think they need to start switching gears to tout the good that will come from getting the vaccine. "Look how quickly we can return to normal if everyone gets vaccinated!!!" - you know, that kind of stuff...

I think we are reaching the juncture of people who were always going to get the vaccine no matter what and now going towards people who are on the fence, need a push. The power of positive reinforcement needs to come into play at this point! :D
I suggested a month or two ago on this thread that the government should only issue stimulus checks to those who have been vaccinated. Obviously, it was too early then, as vaccines were not widely available. Now that any adult will be able to sign up by May 1, the government should issue a fourth stimulus check to any adult who has gotten the vaccine dose(s) or anyone submitting a legitimate doctor’s excuse for not being able to. It doesn’t have to be a large amount, something between $250 and $500 a person may be enough of a financial incentive to push many hesitant people to sign up. I know I have at least one relative that is currently not planning to get the vaccine, but who almost certainly would if there was free money involved.

This idea would pay off twofold. First, people would have more money to pump into the economy, bringing back more jobs. And secondly, more people vaccinated leads to everything returning to normal sooner, also helping the economy.
 

mmascari

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We need people like Redfield to shut up with supposition and speculation. He "feels" the bat/market theory is not logical". What could he have to gain by blowing this whistle at this time?
He’s probably right, but still shouldn’t be saying it as a former federal official. Especially combined with what he likely means vs what gets reported. The reporting will all be wrong and sensational. What he likely means, and is much more likely, is that someone was a little sloppy and made a mistake while studying the virus. Then, a person first tried to cover up their personal mistake. Not some grand conspiracy or some engineered virus. Just a lab tech with an accidental exposure that didn’t report it and follow proper exposure protocols. Nothing nefarious. It will be reported as some grand conspiracy though, because reporting sucks, gotta get the clicks. Which is why he shouldn’t have said anything, he should know all the nuance will be lost and a total different message be heard.

Edit: If simple accident isn’t what he meant, he extra really should shut up.
 

GoofGoof

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I suggested a month or two ago on this thread that the government should only issue stimulus checks to those who have been vaccinated. Obviously, it was too early then, as vaccines were not widely available. Now that any adult will be able to sign up by May 1, the government should issue a fourth stimulus check to any adult who has gotten the vaccine dose(s) or anyone submitting a legitimate doctor’s excuse for not being able to. It doesn’t have to be a large amount, something between $250 and $500 a person may be enough of a financial incentive to push many hesitant people to sign up. I know I have at least one relative that is currently not planning to get the vaccine, but who almost certainly would if there was free money involved.

This idea would pay off twofold. First, people would have more money to pump into the economy, bringing back more jobs. And secondly, more people vaccinated leads to everything returning to normal sooner, also helping the economy.
I am a fan of this plan. I would take it a step further and issue a $500 US treasury gift card to everyone vaccinated that can be used at any restaurant, bar or hotel to jump start the restaurant and tourism industries specifically. This way you give people an incentive to be vaccinated, you give the industries most deeply impacted by the pandemic a nice bump in sales and we also get people doing stuff they feel happy about again. Win/win for everyone.
 

correcaminos

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I guess that’s just not what we are seeing in Ohio. We are also at 26% and it’s extremely difficult to get an appointment. I think the lowering of age requirement to get the vaccine has more to do with Biden ordering the states to do so by May 1 than any decrease in demand.
Not all areas are hard. Consistently I can find vaccines in Piqua, Urbana, Sydney, Springfield, Washington Courthouse. I have worked my behind off for some but the ones willing to drive an hour I can find appointments immediately.
And I did the Pfizer with only injection site soreness. It is inconsistent
Same here. About tetanus level for my. Husband the same with Moderna. To the point where if he had been in the trial, he'd be unsure if he had the real thing. One family member had fever the 2nd dose but that was it. Most had very little.

Fewer and fewer people are listening based upon the full or close to full flights I've been on recently. I haven't listened since day one and have taken trips since early May 2020 (only cancelled the March 2020 Vegas trip because March Madness was cancelled and the hotels shut down).
There are less flights out there though. We had our June flights messed with. Some are now leaving at 6am and other are going the afternoon before. This is the first trip we'll take since 2019. All adults will be fully vaccinated though. We have listened up to now. I'm honestly spent emotionally and sick to death of being the good ones while others ignore it. So we're just going to hope enough are vaccinated by June since most don't even think twice about not following recommendations. Not judging just stating
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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How so?

In my uninformed opinion, I'd like the powers that be and also the news to start focusing on benefits based reasons to get vaccines rather than fear based. I understand why reporting of what could happen if we let our guard down, etc., but now I think they need to start switching gears to tout the good that will come from getting the vaccine. "Look how quickly we can return to normal if everyone gets vaccinated!!!" - you know, that kind of stuff...

I think we are reaching the juncture of people who were always going to get the vaccine no matter what and now going towards people who are on the fence, need a push. The power of positive reinforcement needs to come into play at this point! :D

how so?
Is this your first day in ‘Merica???

people need little reason to decide “I don’t need that S_ _ T”

...mainly because it would delay that trip through the Wendy’s drive thru 🤔🍔
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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We need people like Redfield to shut up with supposition and speculation. He "feels" the bat/market theory is not logical". What could he have to gain by blowing this whistle at this time?

ugh...I heard the blip from his interview with my boy Sanjay today...

he doesn’t have much of a sense of how to “read the room” Given the relatively low hanging intellectual fruit we have going on these days.
He’s not in a research lab at Stanford...his opinions have little upside to the general public
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Positive news and information about the benefits of vaccination are just not getting through. In my opinion, the powers that be have not articulated a clear, consistent message as to why vaccinated people are being told to continue mitigation measures, avoid travel, etc., so people assume it's because the vaccines aren't good enough.

A poster in another thread condescendingly offered "thoughts and prayers" that my family won't contract a fatal disease based on my "misinformation" that vaccinated people do not have to quarantine and get tested after being exposed to COVID. Yet that is exactly what the CDC guidelines provide (unless you actually have symptoms or live in a group setting).

I agree with @sullivan.kscott that we need a positive, upbeat campaign to get people on board with getting vaccinated.


What am I gonna say here?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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There is zero chance that the "masks" that the vast majority are wearing stop the cough droplets as well as if you properly cough into your elbow where you completely stop the spray of droplets.

I'll give you a choice. Walk up to two people that have symptomatic COVID, one is wearing a cloth face covering but won't cover their cough and the other isn't but will properly cough into their elbow. Which will you allow to cough in your direction from 6 feet away?

Fewer and fewer people are listening based upon the full or close to full flights I've been on recently. I haven't listened since day one and have taken trips since early May 2020 (only cancelled the March 2020 Vegas trip because March Madness was cancelled and the hotels shut down).

are you going for the “background noise” approach?

honestly, what credibility do you expect to have?

the last person talking doesn’t automatically “win” the argument.

these things happened...and the hoax theory was wrong.
 

lazyboy97o

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I was just reading that article. I am not expert on the topic but I thought it was pretty common for viruses to cross from bats to humans?
It’s happened before and there has been a good bit of research into the potential for it to happen.

That research involves creating conditions to get the viruses to jump from bat cells to human cells. That’s the type of research done in Wuhan. They go out, collect and discover bat viruses, bring them to Wuhan and then try to get them to jump to human cells. And this was not just some weird Chinese thing, it occurs around the world and a major proponent of this work as financial backer was the United States.
 

GimpYancIent

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It’s happened before and there has been a good bit of research into the potential for it to happen.

That research involves creating conditions to get the viruses to jump from bat cells to human cells. That’s the type of research done in Wuhan. They go out, collect and discover bat viruses, bring them to Wuhan and then try to get them to jump to human cells. And this was not just some weird Chinese thing, it occurs around the world and a major proponent of this work as financial backer was the United States.
Oh! So you followed the money trail?
 

Kevin_W

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I suggested a month or two ago on this thread that the government should only issue stimulus checks to those who have been vaccinated. Obviously, it was too early then, as vaccines were not widely available. Now that any adult will be able to sign up by May 1, the government should issue a fourth stimulus check to any adult who has gotten the vaccine dose(s) or anyone submitting a legitimate doctor’s excuse for not being able to. It doesn’t have to be a large amount, something between $250 and $500 a person may be enough of a financial incentive to push many hesitant people to sign up. I know I have at least one relative that is currently not planning to get the vaccine, but who almost certainly would if there was free money involved.

This idea would pay off twofold. First, people would have more money to pump into the economy, bringing back more jobs. And secondly, more people vaccinated leads to everything returning to normal sooner, also helping the economy.
My work is giving a 1/2-day of vacation if you get vaccinated as an incentive. Considering allowing a 1/2 day of pay in lieu of the vacation as well. It's not a stimulus check (at least for most employees), but it's something.
 

DisneyCane

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are you going for the “background noise” approach?

honestly, what credibility do you expect to have?

the last person talking doesn’t automatically “win” the argument.

these things happened...and the hoax theory was wrong.
I wasn't arguing anything. I was stating observations. Maybe I should start talking in short sentences and riddles so you won't be confused?
 
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