Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

The "worse" case in that graph is what we are currently seeing in the numbers.

Sort of—but their “worse” improved this week due to a steeper than expected drop. Also, the storms last week likely caused an artificial drop in cases and deaths reported last week and then a bounce back this week. We will know more in a week.

 

[JoeCamel]

Not sure of the reason for the question, but yes.

NJ Governor does three public briefings a week streamed live on YouTube. Always has Health Commissioner, other health officials, public safety, and occasionally education and labor officials.

They tend to be about pandemic and efforts to end it, not about him or other personalities.

Do these happen at new vac sites or from a briefing room?
I'm curious how it works in other parts of the country, I have lived years in four states and they are all different in response.

 

[Touchdown]

The "worse" case in that graph is what we are currently seeing in the numbers.

Again, it’s too early given the disruption last week by the weather, that also took down shipping. Yesterday my state reported back >54,000 tests, nearly double the amount reported last week. Our positives went up, but not by that much. We almost certainly got a data dump of delayed tests from last week. I know Iowa did too.

 

[danlb_2000]

Again, it’s too early given the disruption last week by the weather, that also took down shipping. Yesterday my state reported back >54,000 tests, nearly double the amount reported last week. Our positives went up, but not by that much. We almost certainly got a data dump of delayed tests from last week. I know Iowa did too.

Agree, but it is interesting that even states that didn't see a weather impact are also seeing a leveling off, Florida for example.

 

[Touchdown]

Agree, but it is interesting that even states that didn't see a weather impact are also seeing a leveling off, Florida for example.

Our weather was actually quite nice, we got out of a deep freeze and had sunny skies in WI. Not all our tests get read in state though.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Agree, but it is interesting that even states that didn't see a weather impact are also seeing a leveling off, Florida for example.

That’s because God is angry about Manatee County. God remembers.

 

[dreday3]

Ummm.... all those super spreader events that was a surprise to everyone... there was secretly someone there that was symptomatic and able to hide their symptoms?

Truly asymptomatic people (which likely a lot of people) - those with covid who never display symptoms - very rarely spread Covid - it's true.

For super-spreader events, it was probably a person who didn't realize they had covid yet, and became symptomatic later.

 

[Turtlekrawl]

Agree, but it is interesting that even states that didn't see a weather impact are also seeing a leveling off, Florida for example.

And Arizona

 

[Disney Experience]

I mean the scientists themselves have been lying to us or at least hiding inconvenient truths since the beginning. "Listen to the science" and "listen to the scientists" are not the same thing. For example, you would never know listening to Fauci and other public-facing experts that:

• Asymptomatic transmission is extremely rare
• Transmission in schools is extremely rare
• Transmission outdoors is extremely rare
• Surface transmission is extremely rare
• Serious illness among children is extremely rare
• Serious illness among healthy adults is extremely rare

They have consistently downplayed "good news" about the disease in order to make it seem as bad as possible. They've done this with ostensibly noble goals of getting people to comply with mitigation efforts, but that doesn't make it any less dishonest.

On Asymptomatic: (One needs to distinguish between asymptomatic, and those that are presymptomatic [Who are asymptomatic for a period before being symptomatic] )

What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections

People without symptoms can pass on the virus, but estimating their contribution to outbreaks is challenging.

www.nature.com

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

wwwnc.cdc.gov

 

[danlb_2000]

On Asymptomatic: (One needs to distinguish between asymptomatic, and those that are presymptomatic [Who are asymptomatic for a period before being symptomatic] )

What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections

People without symptoms can pass on the virus, but estimating their contribution to outbreaks is challenging.

www.nature.com

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

wwwnc.cdc.gov

It's an important difference, but from a practical standpoint it really doesn't matter since you have no way of knowing if a presymptomatic person will remain asymptomatic or not.

 

[dreday3]

It's an important difference, but from a practical standpoint it really doesn't matter since you have no way of knowing if a presymptomatic person will remain asymptomatic or not.

But I think they are using those findings about asymptomatic to help determine if a fully vaccinated person can spread the disease? I don't have the research on hand, but I do know all signs are pointing to vaccinated people not spreading Covid due low viral loads? I'd have to find it again.

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[GoofGoof]

But I think they are using those findings about asymptomatic to help determine if a fully vaccinated person can spread the disease? I don't have the research on hand, but I do know all signs are pointing to vaccinated people not spreading Covid due low viral loads? I'd have to find it again.

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine limits transmission, study in Israel finds

The studies provide a significant step forward as they clarify some of the big questions surrounding the effect of vaccines on the general population.

www.foxnews.com

Pfizer vaccine ‘dramatically reduces’ Covid transmission risk after one dose, study shows

Scientists hail ‘excellent news’ as findings reveal jab reduces asymptomatic infections

news.yahoo.com

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 146 new reported deaths.

 

[Tom P.]

Question for those of you that reside in states without WDW, does your governor show up at vac sites and do pressers?

In West Virginia, our governor absolutely *loves* his three times a week "Covid update" show. Plus about 15 other assorted "Zoom briefings" he does on everything from stocking lakes with trout to signing trade deals with Vietnam. He gets on camera any chance he can. But I can't recall if he's actually done so from a vaccination site. I don't think so. He got his vaccine live on camera, but it was done from the capitol building.

 

[Disney Experience]

But I think they are using those findings about asymptomatic to help determine if a fully vaccinated person can spread the disease? I don't have the research on hand, but I do know all signs are pointing to vaccinated people not spreading Covid due low viral loads? I'd have to find it again.

Agree.

Also it demonstrates that someone who is in the "asymptomatic spread is rare" camp will cite studies that show that it is rare. But they miss that the study is differentiating between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
While someone arguing that "true asymptomatic spread is a major reason for covid " will forget to differentiate between presymptomatic and asymptomatic, and draw erroneous conclusions concerning the non-presymptomatic. transmission rate.

So when someone reads a headline that says "50% of all transmission are from asymptomatic" they may infer that the vaccinated could be just asymptomatic but a principal transmission vehicle for the virus. Without reviewing studies that say the viral load is low and transmission is rare.

Then someone who reads a headline that says "asymptomatic transmission is rare" use it as an argument that no mitigation is needed for the public if asymptomatic and not vaccinated. They do not realize that presymptomatic transmission is not as rare and therefore nonvaccinated mitigation is needed until cases go way down.

 

[JoeCamel]

In West Virginia, our governor absolutely *loves* his three times a week "Covid update" show. Plus about 15 other assorted "Zoom briefings" he does on everything from stocking lakes with trout to signing trade deals with Vietnam. He gets on camera any chance he can. But I can't recall if he's actually done so from a vaccination site. I don't think so. He got his vaccine live on camera, but it was done from the capitol building.

Yours is the one state I heard about early with good participation numbers and rates of getting shots in arms. Is that still the case?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Yours is the one state I heard about early with good participation numbers and rates of getting shots in arms. Is that still the case?

WV is still in the upper echelon but AK and NM are in the lead. WV has similar success to ND, SD, WY, OK, HI, CT.

Remember when we thought rural states would never be able to manage Pfizer’s cold storage requirement (although with this week’s update, get ready to see REALLY good freezers at yard sales in the spring!)?

 

[Touchdown]

Or they all have small populations so every jab is worth a far larger % then other states...

 

[DCBaker]