Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

Do you have studies showing this about marginalized people? I've only seen hesitation uniform among Blacks, Latinos, and Natives saying they don't trust any shot, not that J&J is trusted more because it is one dose. There is a difference for sure among young people and the others and why there is hesitation. Nothing I have seen points towards one vs two shots.

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF

The Latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor finds a growing share of U.S. adults say they have already gotten at least one dose of the vaccine or want to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Black and Hispanic adults remain more likely to want to wait and see how the vaccine is working for others...

www.kff.org

"While the share that is most enthusiastic to get vaccinated increased across racial and ethnic groups, Black and Hispanic adults continue to be more likely than White adults to say they will “wait and see” before getting vaccinated. Nearly four in ten Republicans and three in ten rural residents say they will either “definitely not” get vaccinated or will do so “only if required,” as do one-third (32%) of those who have been deemed essential workers in fields other than health care.

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With the potential arrival of a one-dose COVID-19 vaccine to the U.S. market, most of those who have not yet been vaccinated say the number of doses doesn’t make a difference in their own intentions, but about a quarter (26%) of those in the “wait and see” group say they’d be more likely to get a vaccine if only one dose was required."


White adults: 18% are "wait and see"
Black adults: 34% are "wait and see"
Hispanic adults: 26% are "wait and see"

 

[DisneyCane]

Watching the Publix appointment system for FL this morning seems to indicate a slowing of demand for appointments. Several counties still had appointments available over an hour into this mornings window and you didn't even have to wait for the "book" dot to light up. Also, CVS still seems to have appointments at several locations in Miami-Dade (I don't know when the window opened).

It is possible that due to the delayed shipments from last week there were a lot more appointments available which led to this effect. I hope demand isn't slowing too much because only about 50% of the 65+ population has received first shots so far.

 

[MisterPenguin]

With the potential arrival of a one-dose COVID-19 vaccine to the U.S. market, most of those who have not yet been vaccinated say the number of doses doesn’t make a difference in their own intentions, but about a quarter (26%) of those in the “wait and see” group say they’d be more likely to get a vaccine if only one dose was required."

Starting to think that the vaccine skeptics are just afraid of needles.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Starting to think that the vaccine skeptics are just afraid of needles.

It just goes to show that the 1-dose should go to people who need convenience to get the shot--not to people who the government finds convenient to give it to. Poor, urban communities, homeless, undocumented would be a better use of the vaccine than teachers. By giving JnJ to teachers, government officials fix one of their headaches but don't actually increase the share of the population getting vaccinated. That's a wasted opportunity.

Not that anyone in power cares what I think.

One unfortunate development is that governors are deciding what to do with the JnJ shots before the FDA and CDC have a chance to tell them who should receive that shot. That's not putting science first.

 

[Touchdown]

I don’t think there is much hesitantancy in Native Americans. Menominee County in Wisconsin is the only county which is also a reservation. It was the most affected county in the state with Covid deaths and cases. It currently is one of Wisconsin’s most vaccinated counties, with 21.5% of its population having received at least one dose.

While statewide the % of Native Americans is less then Whites, I think that is more a function of reduced life expectancy and lower % of people over 65.

 

[DisneyCane]

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF

The Latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor finds a growing share of U.S. adults say they have already gotten at least one dose of the vaccine or want to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Black and Hispanic adults remain more likely to want to wait and see how the vaccine is working for others...

www.kff.org

"While the share that is most enthusiastic to get vaccinated increased across racial and ethnic groups, Black and Hispanic adults continue to be more likely than White adults to say they will “wait and see” before getting vaccinated. Nearly four in ten Republicans and three in ten rural residents say they will either “definitely not” get vaccinated or will do so “only if required,” as do one-third (32%) of those who have been deemed essential workers in fields other than health care.

...

With the potential arrival of a one-dose COVID-19 vaccine to the U.S. market, most of those who have not yet been vaccinated say the number of doses doesn’t make a difference in their own intentions, but about a quarter (26%) of those in the “wait and see” group say they’d be more likely to get a vaccine if only one dose was required."

I'm kind of surprised at the number of Republicans who say they will only get the vaccine if required. President Trump was touting the vaccines and Operation Warp Speed even after the election.

All the more reason why I think a "carrot" approach is needed and people with a vaccine passport should be allowed to go back to normal very quickly. Personally, this Republican wants the vaccine as soon as I am eligible because I'm a germaphobe and I hate being sick with anything. I don't fear getting COVID but I'll take any vaccine for any virus that can lower the likelihood that I get sick. It's the same reason I get the flu shot every year even though I am not in a remotely high risk category from the flu.

 

[correcaminos]

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: February 2021 | KFF

The Latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor finds a growing share of U.S. adults say they have already gotten at least one dose of the vaccine or want to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Black and Hispanic adults remain more likely to want to wait and see how the vaccine is working for others...

www.kff.org

"While the share that is most enthusiastic to get vaccinated increased across racial and ethnic groups, Black and Hispanic adults continue to be more likely than White adults to say they will “wait and see” before getting vaccinated. Nearly four in ten Republicans and three in ten rural residents say they will either “definitely not” get vaccinated or will do so “only if required,” as do one-third (32%) of those who have been deemed essential workers in fields other than health care.

...

With the potential arrival of a one-dose COVID-19 vaccine to the U.S. market, most of those who have not yet been vaccinated say the number of doses doesn’t make a difference in their own intentions, but about a quarter (26%) of those in the “wait and see” group say they’d be more likely to get a vaccine if only one dose was required."


White adults: 18% are "wait and see"
Black adults: 34% are "wait and see"
Hispanic adults: 26% are "wait and see"

Thanks I was curious about that and was googling differently so never saw this article pop up. I thought it was one saying specifically about Blacks or Latinos being more likely for a single dose vs the mRNA.This doesn't specifically state that one group is more likely to get one dose vs two, just that a quarter of the wait and see groups are happier with one dose. Trust me I get the wait and see of the Blacks and Latinos vs whites and why. I've had a lot of conversations with loved ones about it. In my personal world, me doing the trial helped others want to get the shot because they watched me be okay. That was a much bigger driving force for many than others might realize.

Definitely not speaking for a whole group, just know what I've seen among family and other loves ones who are Black and/or Latino.

I don’t think there is much hesitantancy in Native Americans. Menominee County in Wisconsin is the only county which is also a reservation. It was the most affected county in the state with Covid deaths and cases. It currently is one of Wisconsin’s most vaccinated counties, with 21.5% of its population having received at least one dose.

While statewide the % of Native Americans is less then Whites, I think that is more a function of reduced life expectancy and lower % of people over 65.

I was reading articles months ago stating otherwise. Like Blacks and Latinos there is a lot of medical distrust with white western medicine. I'll see if I can dig up older ones. Often Blacks are the focus of things and Latinos next, but often Natives are ignored and not even counted in certain reports.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm kind of surprised at the number of Republicans who say they will only get the vaccine if required. President Trump was touting the vaccines and Operation Warp Speed even after the election.

All the more reason why I think a "carrot" approach is needed and people with a vaccine passport should be allowed to go back to normal very quickly. Personally, this Republican wants the vaccine as soon as I am eligible because I'm a germaphobe and I hate being sick with anything. I don't fear getting COVID but I'll take any vaccine for any virus that can lower the likelihood that I get sick. It's the same reason I get the flu shot every year even though I am not in a remotely high risk category from the flu.

Surprisingly, if you call science a hoax for 4 years, your supporters don't trust science.

You can't pick and choose the parts of science you want to trust. You either have faith in the process of scientific inquiry or you don't.

 

[GoofGoof]

Watching the Publix appointment system for FL this morning seems to indicate a slowing of demand for appointments. Several counties still had appointments available over an hour into this mornings window and you didn't even have to wait for the "book" dot to light up. Also, CVS still seems to have appointments at several locations in Miami-Dade (I don't know when the window opened).

It is possible that due to the delayed shipments from last week there were a lot more appointments available which led to this effect. I hope demand isn't slowing too much because only about 50% of the 65+ population has received first shots so far.

Maybe they are getting some of the JnJ doses next week. Since it’s not technically approved yet it would be a gamble to book appointments assuming it is coming but it’s possible that’s what happened.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Thanks I was curious about that and was googling differently so never saw this article pop up. I thought it was one saying specifically about Blacks or Latinos being more likely for a single dose vs the mRNA.This doesn't specifically state that one group is more likely to get one dose vs two, just that a quarter of the wait and see groups are happier with one dose. Trust me I get the wait and see of the Blacks and Latinos vs whites and why. I've had a lot of conversations with loved ones about it. In my personal world, me doing the trial helped others want to get the shot because they watched me be okay. That was a much bigger driving force for many than others might realize.

Definitely not speaking for a whole group, just know what I've seen among family and other loves ones who are Black and/or Latino.


I was reading articles months ago stating otherwise. Like Blacks and Latinos there is a lot of medical distrust with white western medicine. I'll see if I can dig up older ones. Often Blacks are the focus of things and Latinos next, but often Natives are ignored and not even counted in certain reports.

I, of course, can't find it now. One article I read was able to parse through the data to pull out the portion of the "wait and see"ers who are minority and determine that they are, indeed, more willing to get a 1-dose. It's not hard to do if you have access to all the raw data, which they of course did not widely release.

 

[correcaminos]

I don’t think there is much hesitantancy in Native Americans. Menominee County in Wisconsin is the only county which is also a reservation. It was the most affected county in the state with Covid deaths and cases. It currently is one of Wisconsin’s most vaccinated counties, with 21.5% of its population having received at least one dose.

While statewide the % of Native Americans is less then Whites, I think that is more a function of reduced life expectancy and lower % of people over 65.

USA TODAY

www.usatoday.com

Here is an article on how they were trying to gain trust in a specific tribe which is fantastic.

Native Americans use culture and community to gain tribes' trust in Covid vaccine

Cherokee Code Talkers are getting the first Covid-19 vaccine doses in their community because "our language is at risk."

www.nbcnews.com

I have tons of work to do but historically all three groups (Latinos, Blacks, Natives) are hesitant to trust western white medicine. There is an uphill battle on that always. Oddly my husband and child are both a mix of all 3 so I see it in a personal way.

 

[correcaminos]

I, of course, can't find it now. One article I read was able to parse through the data to pull out the portion of the "wait and see"ers who are minority and determine that they are, indeed, more willing to get a 1-dose. It's not hard to do if you have access to all the raw data, which they of course did not widely release.

No worries and I understand it. I would be interested to read if you ever see it. I am curious to see what, as a whole, people are finding when talking to groups. Granted things like that cannot speak for all, but I like reading what and why some are better. I wouldn't be shocked if thinking J&J is more like a 'normal vaccine' that people are more willing to get it too. Or is it rooted in time off etc. I'm sure it's out there even if not reported. I mean who wants feel good stories like that

 

[GimpYancIent]

Surprisingly, if you call science a hoax for 4 years, your supporters don't trust science.

You can't pick and choose the parts of science you want to trust. You either have faith in the process of scientific inquiry or you don't.

Interesting that the authorities that most touted "following the science" for their overly restrictive measures, now, with hind sight are actually the ones that did not "follow the science" and did harm to the communities they are supposed to represent. Medical professionals follow one golden rule Do No Harm! Too many in positions of authority did not listen to the medical side of the house.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm kind of surprised at the number of Republicans who say they will only get the vaccine if required. President Trump was touting the vaccines and Operation Warp Speed even after the election.

All the more reason why I think a "carrot" approach is needed and people with a vaccine passport should be allowed to go back to normal very quickly. Personally, this Republican wants the vaccine as soon as I am eligible because I'm a germaphobe and I hate being sick with anything. I don't fear getting COVID but I'll take any vaccine for any virus that can lower the likelihood that I get sick. It's the same reason I get the flu shot every year even though I am not in a remotely high risk category from the flu.

I think it’s more due to 9 months of down playing the severity of the virus. There are many people who still believe Covid was a hoax or at least hyped by the mainstream media and not as large a threat. If it’s not a threat then no need for a vaccine. It’s also likely that some of the hard core believers of that went to these superspreader events and got infected already. They may be less inclined to get a vaccine if they recovered and it was ”no big deal”. Remember that Trump himself got covid, recovered and then downplayed it as no big deal to get. I think that really added to this mentality.

The better question is are these people just being blowhards when they answer polling questions. I know a few people personally who continuously downplayed Covid but now they are scrambling to make an appointment for a vaccine. Do as I say in my social media world not as I do. Hopefully that’s the case and some of those people come around. There also seems to be a disparity of vaccine acceptance based on education, income and also rural vs urban. So is it just that more rural, non-college educated, lower paid people are vaccine hesitant and they happen to skew Republican or is it that that particular group is the core of Trump’s supporters and the reason they are resistant is because of his rhetoric. In other words a more granular level of polling data may show that affluent, urban or suburban Republicans are just as likely to want the vaccine as Dems or Independents in the same area, if that’s the case it may have less to do with party affiliation and more to do with other factors.

 

[Touchdown]

Interesting that the authorities that most touted "following the science" for their overly restrictive measures, now, with hind sight are actually the ones that did not "follow the science" and did harm to the communities they are supposed to represent. Medical professionals follow one golden rule Do No Harm! Too many in positions of authority did not listen to the medical side of the house.

What are you implying?

 

[ToTBellHop]

No worries and I understand it. I would be interested to read if you ever see it. I am curious to see what, as a whole, people are finding when talking to groups. Granted things like that cannot speak for all, but I like reading what and why some are better. I wouldn't be shocked if thinking J&J is more like a 'normal vaccine' that people are more willing to get it too. Or is it rooted in time off etc. I'm sure it's out there even if not reported. I mean who wants feel good stories like that

I'll keep looking. But, in any event, if the public health experts know certain populations are more likely to trust a vaccine with "proven" technology (I question the sentiment, but it remains nonetheless) or more likely to show up to just 1 appointment, that is who they should target JnJ to. And teachers are certainly not in either group.

Given that governors (rightly-so) don't want people to be able to choose their vaccines and are typically shipping one vaccine to each site in a given day, they should target each vaccine to populations most-likely to accept them.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What are you implying?

Yeah, I was wondering that, too. Who didn't listen to the medical community? I can only think of 45 and his associates.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Surprisingly, if you call science a hoax for 4 years, your supporters don't trust science.

You can't pick and choose the parts of science you want to trust. You either have faith in the process of scientific inquiry or you don't.

I know several people I'd describe as hard-core Trump supporters. They all say they don't need the vaccine because COVID-19 is "no big deal" (even though quite a few of them fall into the at-risk category) and most also claim to not trust the vaccine. I've been told many times that I can be a guinea pig if I want to (as if the trial volunteers didn't fill that role already). One person even told me the vaccine killed Hank Aaron and Larry King (the latter of which had COVID-19 weeks before his death, not the vaccine).

 

[GimpYancIent]

I think it’s more due to 9 months of down playing the severity of the virus. There are many people who still believe Covid was a hoax or at least hyped by the mainstream media and not as large a threat. If it’s not a threat then no need for a vaccine. It’s also likely that some of the hard core believers of that went to these superspreader events and got infected already. They may be less inclined to get a vaccine if they recovered and it was ”no big deal”. Remember that Trump himself got covid, recovered and then downplayed it as no big deal to get. I think that really added to this mentality.

The better question is are these people just being blowhards when they answer polling questions. I know a few people personally who continuously downplayed Covid but now they are scrambling to make an appointment for a vaccine. Do as I say in my social media world not as I do. Hopefully that’s the case and some of those people come around. There also seems to be a disparity of vaccine acceptance based on education, income and also rural vs urban. So is it just that more rural, non-college educated, lower paid people are vaccine hesitant and they happen to skew Republican or is it that that particular group is the core of Trump’s supporters and the reason they are resistant is because of his rhetoric. In other words a more granular level of polling data may show that affluent, urban or suburban Republicans are just as likely to want the vaccine as Dems or Independents in the same area, if that’s the case it may have less to do with party affiliation and more to do with other factors.

There are issues with people wanting or not wanting to take the vaccine regardless of political affiliation. The views of how severe or not so severe the illness is like wise varies greatly not by ethnicity or race but simply because all people do not see everything the same way. I believe results and solid facts will debunk all the hype, sadly the innuendo, hype, rumor, spin and unknowledgeable speculation get first heard first.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Yeah, I was wondering that, too. Who didn't listen to the medical community? I can only think of 45 and his associates.

I mean the scientists themselves have been lying to us or at least hiding inconvenient truths since the beginning. "Listen to the science" and "listen to the scientists" are not the same thing. For example, you would never know listening to Fauci and other public-facing experts that:

• Asymptomatic transmission is extremely rare
• Transmission in schools is extremely rare
• Transmission outdoors is extremely rare
• Surface transmission is extremely rare
• Serious illness among children is extremely rare
• Serious illness among healthy adults is extremely rare

They have consistently downplayed "good news" about the disease in order to make it seem as bad as possible. They've done this with ostensibly noble goals of getting people to comply with mitigation efforts, but that doesn't make it any less dishonest.