Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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According to the NY Times cases per 100,00.
Florida 42.8
NY. 45.3
NJ. 51.0
PA. 66.8

I guess these numbers show how great the Democratic Governors are doing handling Covid19 since so many here say Florida has done nothing. Even California with 49.5 is worse than Florida.

 

[lazyboy97o]

this is one of the great things my company is doing, if you get the virus you get paid sick leave that doesn't come out of you normal paid time off pool.

A lot of places also did this for H1N1 and it worked out. A few days of sick leave, or lumping it in with vacation, just encourages people to show up sick, be less productive and make others less productive when they get sick.

 

[GoofGoof]

According to the NY Times cases per 100,00.
Florida 42.8
NY. 45.3
NJ. 51.0
PA. 66.8

I guess these numbers show how great the Democratic Governors are doing handling Covid19 since so many here say Florida has done nothing. Even California with 49.5 is worse than Florida.

Cases per 100,000 all time:
FL 4,926
NJ 4,143
NY 3,628
CA 3,424
PA 3,305

 

[Patcheslee]

Mine does it too. i think the issue is some businesses said they couldn’t afford to do that given other financial issues with Covid. The plan is to require it, but have the government pay the business back for those wages paid.

We are covered for this year up to 80hrs which expire at the end of the year, we've heard no extension or renewal for 2021 Covid hours at our work. We normally get 5 unpaid days off a year now, BUT using those also effect our reviews and our yearly raise now (thanks to recent changes). Once we're out of those it's a short path to being fired.
I'm hoping they renew it.

 

[Touchdown]

There are no blue states there are no red states there are only the United States.

Covid is a respiratory virus, it best spreads in indoor environments. That means it’s spread best in the northeast in the winter months and FL in the summer months. The northeast is now on their second peak, if not enough people get the vaccine, Florida will spike again this summer. This entire country has failed in our Covid response and the world laughs at us. Americans are proving the stereotypes right, were too selfish and lazy to save ourselves. Japan and South Korea have reasons to be proud of their numbers, Florida does not.

 

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Cases per 100,000 all time:
FL 4,926
NJ 4,143
NY 3,628
CA 3,424
PA 3,305

Florida may have had more total cases since Covid19 started but NY and NJ had many more deaths because of their Governors requiring Nursing Homes to take Covid19 patients. Anyway when Covid19 started there was no testing so we know NY, NJ and PA are undercounted. Plus those states have cases increasing faster than Florida. The number that everyone should be most concerned with is deaths.

Pennsylvania 11,389
New York. 34,488
New Jersey. 17,321
California. 19,886
Florida. 19,176

Now without having to Calculate, it's obvious NY and NJ are horrible and as a home owner in both sates I can tell you both Murphy and Cuomo have been horrible in their handling of Covid19. California based on deaths so far has been better but they have destroyed their economy and driven one of their biggest taxpayers, Elon Musk, out of state and to Texas.

 

[danlb_2000]

Florida may have had more total cases since Covid19 started but NY and NJ had many more deaths because of their Governors requiring Nursing Homes to take Covid19 patients. Anyway when Covid19 started there was no testing so we know NY, NJ and PA are undercounted. Plus those states have cases increasing faster than Florida. The number that everyone should be most concerned with is deaths.

Pennsylvania 11,389
New York. 34,488
New Jersey. 17,321
California. 19,886
Florida. 19,176

Now without having to Calculate, it's obvious NY and NJ are horrible and as a home owner in both sates I can tell you both Murphy and Cuomo have been horrible in their handling of Covid19. California based on deaths so far has been better but they have destroyed their economy and driven one of their biggest taxpayers, Elon Musk, out of state and to Texas.

As a resident of NJ, I think Murphy has done a great job handling the pandemic.

 

[networkpro]

I would hope any good leader would learn from mistakes and adjust their decisions going forward. Are you saying because they made some mistakes in the spring when this first started that any future action is automatically wrong? In the world of political gotcha that might be how the game is played, but I would prefer to see decisions made on the best possible information available even if it contradicts some past decisions.

Only if and from both major parties. It's been political retribution.

 

[GoofGoof]

Only if and from both major parties. It's been political retribution.

What’s political retribution?

 

[GoofGoof]

Florida may have had more total cases since Covid19 started but NY and NJ had many more deaths because of their Governors requiring Nursing Homes to take Covid19 patients. Anyway when Covid19 started there was no testing so we know NY, NJ and PA are undercounted. Plus those states have cases increasing faster than Florida. The number that everyone should be most concerned with is deaths.

Pennsylvania 11,389
New York. 34,488
New Jersey. 17,321
California. 19,886
Florida. 19,176

Now without having to Calculate, it's obvious NY and NJ are horrible and as a home owner in both sates I can tell you both Murphy and Cuomo have been horrible in their handling of Covid19. California based on deaths so far has been better but they have destroyed their economy and driven one of their biggest taxpayers, Elon Musk, out of state and to Texas.

The nursing home issue occurred in the very beginning. It took everyone by surprise and yes many mistakes were made.

Do you give FL’s Governor some sort of credit for having cases that are increasing slower than those other states listed? What policies has he implemented that have resulted in those “great“ numbers? I’m all for any plan that actually helps reduce cases, but I’m having a hard time identifying what that plan actually is. It’s not like FL is the New Zealand of the US with great case numbers. Right now they are pushing 10,000 cases a day. I’d hardly call that doing good.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Its honestly shocking that the Desantis story isn't taking over the coverage right now. What he did is disgusting, horrid, and criminal.

 

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As a resident of NJ, I think Murphy has done a great job handling the pandemic.

We disagree and I can't wait to vote against him next year. You may be interested to know there are thousands of state workers working 2 to 3 hours a day but being paid for the full day. Plus, since they are working from home. they are not taking vacations or sick time. When they retire they will be paid for the vacation time and half the sick time. Murphy balanced the budget by borrowing billions. Face it taxes are going to go up and services will be cut as soon as the next Governor takes over because of Murphy's failure to handle the budget. Even if the Feds send a bailout check to the state, Murphy has killed small businesses that won't be able to pay any taxes since they are no longer in business.

 

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The nursing home issue occurred in the very beginning. It took everyone by surprise and yes many mistakes were made.

Do you give FL’s Governor some sort of credit for having cases that are increasing slower than those other states listed? What policies has he implemented that have resulted in those “great“ numbers? I’m all for any plan that actually helps reduce cases, but I’m having a hard time identifying what that plan actually is. It’s not like FL is the New Zealand of the US with great case numbers. Right now they are pushing 10,000 cases a day. I’d hardly call that doing good.

Actually, I don't give Desantis credit for anything. I am using Florida as the example of whag would have happened across the country if nothing was done. The problem in states that had close downs is that people are tired and gave up so there numbers are going up.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[mmascari]

I don't know. Frozen food has been distributed around the country for many decades. Other vaccines and medications are distributed all the time. Logistically, it shouldn't be that complicated to accomplish. Sure it takes planning but I think it can go smoothly.

It’s not the same as frozen food or other vaccines. At least not for the two with the extreme cold requirement. Frozen food infrastructure isn’t cold enough. It’s the build of up of that niche infrastructure to support a large scale delivery that’s the question. Even things like dry ice are consumables with short shelf life.

I’m not worried that they can deliver some doses or even a million doses. It’s can they scale up to deliver in quantity fast enough. Definitely a difficult logistics and infrastructure problem. For a system that only needs to operate at scale for a year. If they build just double the eventual yearly delivery capacity, it’ll still be not enough to start.

Like if Disney decided to give every guest a Mickey Bar every day in August as they enter the park. Way beyond the normal infrastructure and only for a month then back to normal. An event that would have a project manager very stressed as they stretch supply lines.

 

[GoofGoof]

Actually, I don't give Desantis credit for anything. I am using Florida as the example of whag would have happened across the country if nothing was done. The problem in states that had close downs is that people are tired and gave up so there numbers are going up.

At this point I think it’s safe to say indoor activity is clearly more problematic. The areas spiking the most right now are cold environments where activity has been moved indoors. You can’t stop people from gathering in their homes. You can discourage it and try to convince people but it’s not like the government is going to go door to door and stop gatherings. I think the best they can do is encourage better behavior and provide testing and tracing where possible. When community spread hits a certain level there’s no stopping it without extreme lock downs which nobody is going to agree with. At this point we just have to wait out this wave. Hopefully it follows a similar 3 month arc as the others did and is running its course by the end of January.

 

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At this point I think it’s safe to say indoor activity is clearly more problematic. The areas spiking the most right now are cold environments where activity has been moved indoors. You can’t stop people from gathering in their homes. You can discourage it and try to convince people but it’s not like the government is going to go door to door and stop gatherings. I think the best they can do is encourage better behavior and provide testing and tracing where possible. When community spread hits a certain level there’s no stopping it without extreme lock downs which nobody is going to agree with. At this point we just have to wait out this wave. Hopefully it follows a similar 3 month arc as the others did and is running its course by the end of January.

We agree more than we disagree. The best thing today is that in a week we will start vaccinations. I know it will take many months before everyone is vaccinated but the spread will start to go down as more people are vaccinated. If we can do 40 million in December and another 40 million in January it will be close to 30% of the public. If we have 15% who had had Covid19, that means 45% of the population is safe and can't spread it. I know the CDC says we need to get to 70% to crush Covid19 but 45% will drastically cut the spread and in February and March we should easily get to 70%, especially if a 3rd and or 4th vaccine is approved.

Now, I know distribution is going to be difficult but speaking with my pharmacist in Staten Island and the one in New Jersey, I am sure they are ready.

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s not the same as frozen food or other vaccines. At least not for the two with the extreme cold requirement. Frozen food infrastructure isn’t cold enough. It’s the build of up of that niche infrastructure to support a large scale delivery that’s the question. Even things like dry ice are consumables with short shelf life.

I’m not worried that they can deliver some doses or even a million doses. It’s can they scale up to deliver in quantity fast enough. Definitely a difficult logistics and infrastructure problem. For a system that only needs to operate at scale for a year. If they build just double the eventual yearly delivery capacity, it’ll still be not enough to start.

Like if Disney decided to give every guest a Mickey Bar every day in August as they enter the park. Way beyond the normal infrastructure and only for a month then back to normal. An event that would have a project manager very stressed as they stretch supply lines.

One of the tricky parts here, given the limited shelf life, if getting enough vaccine to the places that are doing the injections, but not so much that it goes unused. They then also need to be sure each locations gets enough to do the second dose a month later.

 

[Flugell]

We disagree and I can't wait to vote against him next year. You may be interested to know there are thousands of state workers working 2 to 3 hours a day but being paid for the full day. Plus, since they are working from home. they are not taking vacations or sick time. When they retire they will be paid for the vacation time and half the sick time. Murphy balanced the budget by borrowing billions. Face it taxes are going to go up and services will be cut as soon as the next Governor takes over because of Murphy's failure to handle the budget. Even if the Feds send a bailout check to the state, Murphy has killed small businesses that won't be able to pay any taxes since they are no longer in business.

I realise I am in the U.K. and have gained any “knowledge “ from reading every contribution in this forum! However I am dismayed that your criticism of Murphy seems to be purely financial. I would think it was an excellent idea to pay state workers their full salary irrespective of how many hours they are able to work. This provides them with stability and the ability to pay rent/ feed their families etc. If they are working from home then I would be more interested in why they are unable to work longer hours, though there may well be reasons. Obviously this will lead to borrowing on a massive scale, as every economy knows. Small businesses are vulnerable, but can and indeed should be supported. If necessary though they can be replaced. Sadly you didn’t mention the toll on human life which can never be replaced. Life must surely be the ultimate aim and financial support should be given to people/businesses where needed and if taxes go up so be it. If too many people die there will be fewer to pay the tax anyway.
Please excuse if I have misinterpreted in any manner but to me life is the priority.

 

[GoofGoof]

One of the tricky parts here, given the limited shelf life, if getting enough vaccine to the places that are doing the injections, but not so much that it goes unused. They then also need to be sure each locations gets enough to do the second dose a month later.

The second dose is really tough. If a vaccine location gets 10,000 doses in and vaccinates 10,000 people over a few days they have to be sure to have 10,000 more doses in 3 weeks, but there are millions more people looking for their first shot. So 3 weeks go by and they are expecting a delivery of 20,000 doses so have 10,000 new people lined up and also the 2nd dose for the original 10,000 people. If for some reason they only get 15,000 doses then they have to use the first 10,000 on the people getting dose 2 and cancel on 5,000 new people. Now what happens to those new people since others have lined up appointments as well. It almost seems like they have flexible scheduling for your first dose dose then firm scheduling for the second. It’s doable but then if for some reason a bunch of people don’t show for dose 2 you need to find replacement patients quickly before the vaccines spoil.