Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[SamusAranX]

And when their recommendations for personal action and responsibilities differ?

Remember, how we are all supposed to just trust people and we don’t need all these orders and mandates. Given the proper info, people will behave appropriately. This will be another opportunity for believers of this strategy to prove it. If things go well, the force of law should be unnecessary for modification of basic, human behavior. Although, it will certainly come into play for procurement, testing, tracing, etc.

I guess that's why I put "law" into quotations; I just meant any actual procedures or policies they recommend that are lawful can be put into place on January 20th or beyond ( I assume).

 

[GoofGoof]

Well, putting partisanship gaming aside, Biden's task force won't have actual force of "law" until after inauguration correct?

Technically the current task force has no real force of law. The states are implementing most of the real laws. I have no idea what happens next because things are so bizarre right now. It was my understanding that the current president stopped having daily task force updates so I’m not sure what they are actually doing at this point. In a normal tradition I would think the president elect would draft a transition team that would work together with the existing task force including daily briefings and input into decisions. That’s how things like national security and foreign relations always worked in the past. For now the transition team doesn’t even have the true authority to exist. Until the General Services Administration officially certifies the election results (typically done by now, much earlier than formal certification from the states) they cannot setup office space, access budgets set aside for transition or begin meeting with other federal department heads.

I would hope both sides can put aside the election noise and work together now since Covid is impacting everyone no matter who they voted for. It may be that for a little while now we have 2 competing task forces but I would hope that doesn’t last too long. The problem all along has been a lack of a consistent national message so having 2 inconsistent messages will make matters worse, not better.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I guess that's why I put "law" into quotations; I just meant any actual procedures or policies they recommend that are lawful can be put into place on January 20th or beyond ( I assume).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh, you mean the historic cold storage problem that existed prior to both Trump and the COVID PANDEMIC, yes, that’s works, and it is convenient to blame Trump, so ok. I sure hope the new cold storage is exempt from the Green New Deal, as we need real power for the freezers...

I think you bet on the wrong horse, snowflake...hold tight and you’ll get your Disneyland back. But that’s not gonna help with that “wrong” thing too much.

Pfizer has a work around for cold storage. They built their own reusable shipping containers that use dry ice. Pretty innovative solution. They also partnered with UPS to build some large freezer farms at certain hubs. The only issue with the Pfizer plan is they need lots of dry ice and with the increase in demand for shipping prepared food items during Covid there actually may be a shortage. The CEO said in an interview they have secured enough dry ice for their vaccine.

On the electricity side, the power from renewables is every bit as real as the power from a fossil fuel plant. In Texas which is one of the fastest growing markets in the country, renewable projects are consistently cheaper than fossil plants even without any tax incentives. I only know this because I’ve read through about fifty renewable power purchase agreements in the past few months and all of the contract prices are substantially below the forward market curve for power in Texas. These are substantially all solar facilities these days as the West Texas market is saturated with wind. There’s only so much power you can move clear across the state to the population centers. Solar can be built much closer to the population. There will always be a need for peaker nat gas plants for grid reliability until the battery technology catches up but we aren’t real close there yet, at least not economically.

Exactly...PFIZER is working around it. Medical distribution and storage facilities could and SHOULD be built by now...hell - its a jobs program. You can build them on top of abandoned coal mines!!

But no time for that when you watch tv half the day and fly around on the government dime for “dropletpalooza” rallies the other half

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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Great meme...but I don’t get the “wish” reference?

...you’re not saying...nah...not possible

 

[Patcheslee]

I'm a little scared with this one. I think its possible for this one to do a last-minute turn into the state where we're not expecting it. the spaghetti plot is wild.

It'll be okay, DD12 already did her spaghetti couple days ago and and decided it wouldn't go into Florida. Some plots are now showing it going back into the Gulf, hopefully more start to trend that way

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I hear/see that a lot and this little voice in the back of my head says, "Be careful what you wish for."

I know right!
This vaccine news is exciting, but then I keep reading about the new Mink variation and I'm like...uhhhhh....... crap.

 

[JoeCamel]

IMO that should have been in place when I was there at the beginning of October. I got up to Evanston Wyoming and those cowboys were like "whhaaattt??? co-vid? what is co-vid...?" Most people were acting like they were unaware they might mitigate the pain with a mask and distance.

Numbers are out - there were 58 new reported deaths.

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There they go again testing sick people......

 

[Disstevefan1]

I think you bet on the wrong horse, snowflake...hold tight and you’ll get your Disneyland back. But that’s not gonna help with that “wrong” thing too much.



Exactly...PFIZER is working around it. Medical distribution and storage facilities could and SHOULD be built by now...hell - its a jobs program. You can build them on top of abandoned coal mines!!

But no time for that when you watch tv half the day and fly around on the government dime for “dropletpalooza” rallies the other half

I don't know about snowflakes, but I like snow if I do not have to commute in it. I personally don't care if DLR ever re opens, in my opinion I just think it should be open.

As for horses, we are in for a wild ride for at least the next two years until the midterms...

I wonder what a gallon of gas will be in 2022 I guess we will all find out...

 

[JoeCamel]

I don't know about snowflakes, but I like snow if I do not have to commute in it. I personally don't care if DLR ever re opens, in my opinion I just think it should be open.

As for horses, we are in for a wild ride for at least the next two years until the midterms...

I wonder what a gallon of gas will be in 2022 I guess we will all find out...

I'm hoping for $4.50 in most of the country with $6 in California. You seem to think their policies will increase the cost, seems if they wanted to keep it the same as the rest of the country they would use the same standards? Oh, wait, the term smog was coined in California to deal with the choking air. Looks pretty good today though. I suspect you never experienced flying into New York Or LA when it looked like you were flying into a grey wall.
It works, they pay for the cleaner air and they have cleaner air. I like clean air and lean oil companies not record Exxon profits.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Pfizer has a work around for cold storage. They built their own reusable shipping containers that use dry ice. Pretty innovative solution. They also partnered with UPS to build some large freezer farms at certain hubs. The only issue with the Pfizer plan is they need lots of dry ice and with the increase in demand for shipping prepared food items during Covid there actually may be a shortage. The CEO said in an interview they have secured enough dry ice for their vaccine.

On the electricity side, the power from renewables is every bit as real as the power from a fossil fuel plant. In Texas which is one of the fastest growing markets in the country, renewable projects are consistently cheaper than fossil plants even without any tax incentives. I only know this because I’ve read through about fifty renewable power purchase agreements in the past few months and all of the contract prices are substantially below the forward market curve for power in Texas. These are substantially all solar facilities these days as the West Texas market is saturated with wind. There’s only so much power you can move clear across the state to the population centers. Solar can be built much closer to the population. There will always be a need for peaker nat gas plants for grid reliability until the battery technology catches up but we aren’t real close there yet, at least not economically.

Personally, I love solar. If included into a new home construction, to be paid over a 30 year mortgage, I might consider it. I do have questions for example, how long does rooftop systems work before they become less efficient? What is the maintenance for rooftop systems? Roof shingles do need replacement over time I presume the roof solar systems do not have the lifespan of the roof shingles, so when they need replacement, you are almost forced to replace the roof shingles on lifespan of the solar panels, not the lifespan of the shingles.

Retrofit of solar to an existing home, to me, is too expensive, it takes to many years to break even.

On a side note, I am a fan of nuclear power. I know the average person is afraid of it, but today its totally safe, there are many different forms of nuclear power, even systems where the waste is either harmless or reuseable.

Another side note. I am not ready for all electric cars. all are too expensive, but If I had to choose it would be a plug in hybrid.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'm hoping for $4.50 in most of the country with $6 in California. You seem to think their policies will increase the cost, seems if they wanted to keep it the same as the rest of the country they would use the same standards? Oh, wait, the term smog was coined in California to deal with the choking air. Looks pretty good today though. I suspect you never experienced flying into New York Or LA when it looked like you were flying into a grey wall.
It works, they pay for the cleaner air and they have cleaner air. I like clean air and lean oil companies not record Exxon profits.

Why do you hope for $4.50 ? I hope it's not that high! I just paid $1.81 yesterday.... In a couple of years I guess we will be saying, "Ah the good old days when gas was under $2 a gallon... We are all in for a wild ride for sure so hang on to those hats and glasses

 

[JoeCamel]

Why do you hope for $4.50 ? I hope it's not that high! I just paid $1.81 yesterday.... In a couple of years I guess we will be saying, "Ah the good old days when gas was under $2 a gallon... We are all in for a wild ride for sure so hang on to those hats and glasses

For the industry to be healthy they need a profit. They are losing money today. We cannot lose the incentive to produce anytime soon if you want to keep having all the things that come out of a barrel of oil. Otherwise we are competing against Saudi oil that costs very little to produce (thanks ARAMCO) and our domestic industry suffers so little boys can drive big toys. These prices are not sustainable nor is printing money to prop up our economy. These are short term situations and will need to be adjusted if you want to keep driving that car.

 

[GoofGoof]

Personally, I love solar. If included into a new home construction, to be paid over a 30 year mortgage, I might consider it. I do have questions for example, how long does rooftop systems work before they become less efficient? What is the maintenance for rooftop systems? Roof shingles do need replacement over time I presume the roof solar systems do not have the lifespan of the roof shingles, so when they need replacement, you are almost forced to replace the roof shingles on lifespan of the solar panels, not the lifespan of the shingles.

Retrofit of solar to an existing home, to me, is too expensive, it takes to many years to break even.

On a side note, I am a fan of nuclear power. I know the average person is afraid of it, but today its totally safe, there are many different forms of nuclear power, even systems where the waste is either harmless or reuseable.

Another side note. I am not ready for all electric cars. all are too expensive, but If I had to choose it would be a plug in hybrid.

I was talking about utility scale solar not rooftop, although rooftop is OK too. These utility scale projects are popping up all of the place and they are economic without tax incentives. Big change from even a few years ago when the math didn’t work. Once you build a solar facility you have no fuel costs and significantly lower overhead. Coal is dead and that is pure economics with nothing to do with climate change. Nuclear is fine but also poor economically. Many nuclear plants in deregulated markets can’t make ends meet. Lots of plans to offer lifelines but with cheap fracked gas and cheaper renewables, coal and nuclear are on the outs.

All electric cars is the future but more like 10+ years out.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Technically the current task force has no real force of law. The states are implementing most of the real laws. I have no idea what happens next because things are so bizarre right now. It was my understanding that the current president stopped having daily task force updates so I’m not sure what they are actually doing at this point.

They’re catching Corona! At least that’s what Ben Carson did today, and he’s a member of the current (disjunct) task force.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I was talking about utility scale solar not rooftop, although rooftop is OK too. These utility scale projects are popping up all of the place and they are economic without tax incentives. Big change from even a few years ago when the math didn’t work. Once you build a solar facility you have no fuel costs and significantly lower overhead. Coal is dead and that is pure economics with nothing to do with climate change. Nuclear is fine but also poor economically. Many nuclear plants in deregulated markets can’t make ends meet. Lots of plans to offer lifelines but with cheap fracked gas and cheaper renewables, coal and nuclear are on the outs.

All electric cars is the future but more like 10+ years out.

I will keep my hopes on nuclear. I really do not like solar farms as they take up too much space, space that could be used for other things or simply preserved. I like the idea of rooftop solar, as it doesn’t take up space on the ground.

I really dislike wind! The mammoth wind mills use so much energy to build and is very bad for the wildlife.

 

[FeelsSoGoodToBeBad]

I was talking about utility scale solar not rooftop, although rooftop is OK too. These utility scale projects are popping up all of the place and they are economic without tax incentives. Big change from even a few years ago when the math didn’t work. Once you build a solar facility you have no fuel costs and significantly lower overhead. Coal is dead and that is pure economics with nothing to do with climate change. Nuclear is fine but also poor economically. Many nuclear plants in deregulated markets can’t make ends meet. Lots of plans to offer lifelines but with cheap fracked gas and cheaper renewables, coal and nuclear are on the outs.

All electric cars is the future but more like 10+ years out.

....how did we get here again?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

will keep my hopes on nuclear. I really do not like solar farms as they take up too much space, space that could be used for other things or simply preserved.

Have you seen the size of nuclear power plants?

 

[GoofGoof]

I will keep my hopes on nuclear. I really do not like solar farms as they take up too much space, space that could be used for other things or simply preserved. I like the idea of rooftop solar, as it doesn’t take up space on the ground.

I really dislike wind! The mammoth wind mills use so much energy to build and is very bad for the wildlife.

Trust me when I say the land they are using for these solar projects isn‘t going to be used for anything else any time soon. Rooftop is fine too, just more expensive. Wind is fine it’s just hard to find good locations (outside of west TX). The “energy to build” thing is a highly overstated political talking point. The components that go into making a coal, nat gas or nuclear plant dwarf what goes into a wind turbine and that’s not even taking into account stuff like mercury or SOX/NOX, plus obviously the continued carbon footprint.

Don’t hold your breath on any new nuclear after the new units come on line in GA from that train wreck of a project that’s now double it’s original budget. It’s just way too expensive right now. The existing plants will continue to have their licenses renewed for now, but it wouldn’t be shocking to see nuclear power plants almost all gone in this country in a few decades. The older plants are coming up on 50 years in service.

 

[DCBaker]

"Eli Lilly & Co.’s antibody therapy was granted an emergency-use authorization by U.S. drug regulators for treating Covid-19, widening access to a treatment that early data suggests is effective in keeping people infected with the coronavirus out of the hospital.

The Food and Drug Administration authorized the treatment, called bamlanivimab, for use against mild-to-moderate Covid-19 in adult and pediatric patients, the agency said on its website."

Eli Lilly Covid Antibody Drug Gets FDA Emergency Clearence

Eli Lilly & Co.’s antibody therapy was granted an emergency-use authorization by U.S. drug regulators for treating Covid-19, widening access to a treatment that early data suggest is effective in keeping people infected with the coronavirus out of the hospital.

www.bloomberg.com