Horizons '83
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oceanbreeze77
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When you hear "Orange County is the florida of CA" its not a joke. If the OC can follow rules and guidelines, then they can open. But they haven't been following rules and guidelines and now they have to deal with the consequences. 
Like someone pointed out, SF is yellow. If SF can do it, the OC sure as heck can too.
Like someone pointed out, SF is yellow. If SF can do it, the OC sure as heck can too.
Agreed, but don't you think the percentage/ratio requirement is obscenely low? I'm the last person to flout health guidelines and restrictions but I can't wrap my head around these numbers.When you hear "Orange County is the florida of CA" its not a joke. If the OC can follow rules and guidelines, then they can open. But they haven't been following rules and guidelines and now they have to deal with the consequences.
Like someone pointed out, SF is yellow. If SF can do it, the OC sure as heck can too.
Chi84
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You just exactly described our Disney vacations! We sleep a bit later, so the food courts aren't crowded when we get there. Then hit a water park or pool (sometimes a theme park) in the morning and switch to a different park mid-day or evening for rides, entertainment, dinner, etc. Some of our favorite restaurants are Jiko, Jaleo, the Boathouse, Sanaa, and we never have problems getting in. (We do reserve Cali Grill Brunch.) We have a Landry's card in case we want to go to Yak and Yeti or one of the other Landry's restaurants without a reservation. We get Fastpasses, but don't stress if we miss them. FP+ allows us to book rides like FOP and SDD later in the day, so we don't have to get to the parks early. It's funny, but the things some people don't like about Disney's current system are the things that have really improved our vacations.
So much depends on individual vacation preferences. I remember that when FP+ first came out, someone lamented that her family used to ride Expedition Everest and Space Mountain 12 times or more in a day and couldn't do it anymore. My first thought was that if her family ever got their butts off those rides, Disney wouldn't have to ration them - but then, who am I to criticize how someone else enjoys their vacation?
It's going to be very interesting to see how Disney emerges from the pandemic and how the reservation systems and restaurants are going to change. I actually liked some of the buffets (Boma and Tusker House) and will miss them if they come back in family style form because I don't choose the more popular items - the less popular ones may just be gone.
Kevin_W
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Us too... Even when our daughter was in single digit ages. I can go to a pool back home!
Should I be worried about Disneyland's survival? If they can't reopen until - worst case scenario - Summer of 2021, are they toast, or toast-adjacent? And remember folks, I'm just basing my predictions on the past year. You may revisit my earlier posts for reference. 
oceanbreeze77
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I think if you know CA, then you're less likely to be critical of the ratio. I can say that I have no plans of shopping or going to OC beaches any time soon, something of which I used to do weekly.
Regarding Disneyland: Our pass holders come from all over Socal as its just an hour drive from virtually the entire southland region (without the dreaded traffic of course). I mentioned here before that you may as well consider LA and OC one in the same as its easy to populate both in the same day. The problem with that is there are so many different characters in CA, and these characters often neighbor each other. So you have super anti mask OC and super pro mask LA mixing with each other 24/7. These are not small towns in the midwest, these are two large economic cities with lots and lots of people, making spread easier.
I think the ratio for yellow is appropriate. It helps ensure that the numbers are low enough to create a safer environment for this type of large attraction. San Bernardino for example, just went back into the purple tier. There are thousands of pass holders in San Bernardino. A lot of CMs also work at Universal, which is cross town in Hollywood. It needs to be consistent so that once a region is yellow, the numbers are low enough so its easy to gauge and control growth.
Regarding the percentage of people allowed in, Id say if we are in yellow, a capacity of 25% is low. By that point we should feel stable enough that say you could at least push it to 35% to start out and grow from there.
GimpYancIent
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Hey! There is always the cut the loses and relocate option. As time passes the $$$ tilt the scale a bit more with each tick.Should I be worried about Disneyland's survival? If they can't reopen until - worst case scenario - Summer of 2021, are they toast or toast-adjacent? And remember folks, I'm just basing my predictions on the past year. You may revisit my earlier posts for reference.
oceanbreeze77
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I dont think so. Its far to iconic to completely shut down.Should I be worried about Disneyland's survival? If they can't reopen until - worst case scenario - Summer of 2021, are they toast, or toast-adjacent? And remember folks, I'm just basing my predictions on the past year. You may revisit my earlier posts for reference.
Frankly, the entire economy is about to collapse. Regardless of the election outcome, regardless of the stimulus package, we need to brace for a really tough time. Every industry is going to go through turmoil, tech and big attractions are not exempt. I think this is Disneys entrance into that time, but like everything else, this too shall pass.
I was speaking of the percentage needed in order to reach yellow -- to then open the parks. As far as capacity goes, it's not the largest place to move around, so I can understand whatever they're doing on that note. But no, I'm not familiar with CA so my perspective is off.
GoofGoof
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I don’t know about international guests, but I know a lot of people who are not Disney parks fans but who go to WDW occasionally because they want to bring their kids there. These are people who generally go to all inclusive resorts in the Caribbean, rent beach houses or go to non-theme park type vacations. Many spend far less time in the parks then a regular Disney visitor would. They don’t have to ride Peter Pan for nostalgia sake, they just skip it. They get 3 fast pass reservations for whatever’s left when they get around to booking FPs dn they don’t really know the difference. I know multiple people who picked Pirates as their fast pass because they know of the movies. I know a lot of people who go, do the parks for a few hours and then head back to the resort to have drinks at the pool and relax before going out to dinner. That’s more like their typical vacation. They may spend a day or 2 out of a week at the parks all day but they have no problem cutting it short most other days. Not everyone has the theme park commando mentality. I think those types of casual tourists make up a bigger part of WDWs normal guests than people realize.
"Erin Guerrero, executive director of the California Attractions and Parks Association, issued the following statement after the plan was unveiled.
To say today’s announcement on theme parks is disappointing would be a grave understatement. The Governor has not used science or data to inform his decision. Theme parks have opened and operated safely around the world for months. Data and science prove that theme parks can operate responsibly anywhere – there is no rational reason to believe they can’t do so in California. No one cares more about park employee and guest safety than the parks themselves. “Let me be unequivocal– the guidance issued by the Newsom Administration will keep theme parks shuttered for the foreseeable future. By forcing amusement parks to stay closed until their home county reaches Tier 4, the Governor has issued a “Keep Theme Parks Closed Indefinitely” Plan which will devastate California’s major theme park industry."
deadline.com
To say today’s announcement on theme parks is disappointing would be a grave understatement. The Governor has not used science or data to inform his decision. Theme parks have opened and operated safely around the world for months. Data and science prove that theme parks can operate responsibly anywhere – there is no rational reason to believe they can’t do so in California. No one cares more about park employee and guest safety than the parks themselves. “Let me be unequivocal– the guidance issued by the Newsom Administration will keep theme parks shuttered for the foreseeable future. By forcing amusement parks to stay closed until their home county reaches Tier 4, the Governor has issued a “Keep Theme Parks Closed Indefinitely” Plan which will devastate California’s major theme park industry."
Disneyland, Universal Studios Fire Back At California’s “Irreparably Devastating” Theme Park Reopening Guidelines
Executives at Disneyland, Universal Studios Hollywood, Legoland and others rail against the state's new reopening requirements.
deadline.com
oceanbreeze77
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sadly, I think due to behavior, it has to be this way.
Going back to San Bernardino, they got down to red, but the behavior in San Bernardino is comparable to the OC, and now they're back in Purple.
I'm sure there are pending lawsuits, but if this is indeed written in stone and there's no way of changing the guidelines, maybe Disney should reach out to the county and surrounding cities in a sort of "hey guys, do you want folks employed? Do you want Mickey Mouse back? Wear a mask!"
note2001
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I honestly think Disney would have a better case to fight the Tier 4 bit IF the images coming out of WDW showed people and spacing from above. All these side shots make people gasp "So crowded!" No, it's not.
Also, get people like that Tim Tracker OUT of the parks if all they're going to do is whine and complain about crowds, people and be afraid to go on a ride because it's indoors. Why are you even there if you're so afraid? People, perhaps even the Governor of CA are watching and guaging how safe it is, and whining does not help. Just send them home. The rest of us will be happy with reduced crowds, staying clean and safely wearing our mask to protect each other.
Also, get people like that Tim Tracker OUT of the parks if all they're going to do is whine and complain about crowds, people and be afraid to go on a ride because it's indoors. Why are you even there if you're so afraid? People, perhaps even the Governor of CA are watching and guaging how safe it is, and whining does not help. Just send them home. The rest of us will be happy with reduced crowds, staying clean and safely wearing our mask to protect each other.
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oceanbreeze77
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I think this is a necessary.
At the very least, it will take Orange County 6 weeks to hit the Yellow Tier of Partial Openness. Realistically... 8 weeks. But that's only being optimistic.
oceanbreeze77
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Its not hard. They need to follow the rules.
oceanbreeze77
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Here in LA we have done a great job bringing our numbers down. Hopefully it stays that way, but with the holiday season, I'm nervous of our abilities.
LittleBuford
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I've been going since 1991, and I've never regarded the parks as relaxing. Sure, those who choose to do so can relax, but I don't think most people have ever regarded the rides as supplemental to the experience.
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