Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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In recent history, they've never done that even pre- 'rona. It was not uncommon to contract whatever flu or cold bug was going around at the time with a trip to Disney. Look at the measles outbreak at Disneyland last year. Lots of people arent concerned with thier impact on others.
There was some success with swine flu where many organizations changed their sick policies to easily excuse anyone with flu-like symptoms. Despite cries from some about “the economy!” over concerns that people would just play hooky it actually worked. People were generally honest, spread was mitigated and productivity even improved because a sick person wasn’t doing poor work while spreading their illness to others.
 

GoofGoof

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In recent history, they've never done that even pre- 'rona. It was not uncommon to contract whatever flu or cold bug was going around at the time with a trip to Disney. Look at the measles outbreak at Disneyland last year. Lots of people arent concerned with thier impact on others.
Sad but true. How many times have you seen someone walk out of a public bathroom without washing their hands. Maybe that’s something good that comes out of this whole mess. People are more aware of their impact on others. Employers may also be more inclined to allow workers time off when sick or if possible let them work remotely.
 

disneycp

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Florida has done a lot more testing per capita than Vermont because there were a lot more sick people. There has been widespread community spread for a long period of time now. Percent positive gives us a good indication of whether enough testing is being done. What’s the percent positive in VT vs FL? Did they have long stretches of time over 5% in VT? If Vermont wasn’t doing enough testing and that’s why they have less cases then their percent positive would be high (over 5%) instead of 0.2%...not 2%...0.2%. As of a few weeks ago Vermont hadn’t had a Covid death since the end of July and only had a handful of people still hospitalized. Deaths and hospitalizations can’t be skewed by more testing or lack of testing.

Here’s a decent read on what VT did:

All true and good points. But I also said that Florida has, on average, 5x the number of people in a square mile than Vermont. Vermont seems to have a lot of factors that make it a great place to be right now to avoid spread.
 

disneycp

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Instead of half-assing contact tracing maybe they should have just tried doing it right.

We don’t live in that world by choice. There were proposals to require employers to provide paid sick leave for anyone who had to quarantine. We could have passed that into law. “We” chose not to. Instead you are saying since we don’t have that it’s Ok for people to go to work when they are sick or potentially sick if they need the money. That’s part of the reason things are how they are. The only way to slow the virus down is to isolate sick people (which is hard given asymptomatic spread - hence the need for testing and tracing) and follow things like masks, social distancing, no large group gatherings and limit indoor activities without masks (dining/bars). I do understand that some people could care less about slowing the virus spread because they don’t think it’s a serious threat, but that’s a whole different issue.

I’m saying I’m not going to sit here and judge someone for going to work and doing what they need to do to pay their bills, especially for a virus where so many carriers are asymptomatic (or even just pre-symptomatic). Obviously if you feel sick you should stay home, but not sure how that helps in the other cases.

Not really sure how me saying I can see why people don’t want to participate in contact tracing equates to “I think everyone should go to work no matter what!” Bit of a stretch there.

There are moral arguments on both sides. You can say “if you cared about other people, you would stay home so people don’t get sick,” and I could just as easily say “if you cared about other people, you would relax restrictions so they can work and not be homeless.”
 

hopemax

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Alright, ya'll, behave :D . I am leaving my basement in the morning. Driving to visit the in-laws for a week since we aren't flying back for Christmas this year. I'm not sure what new and exciting crises will happen in our absence. After this week, I'm looking forward to being offline a bit more, I think.
 

DCBaker

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"Cineworld is shuttering all 543 of its Regal Cinema venues in the U.S. and all cinemas across the U.K. and Ireland this coming week, just a day after James Bond film “No Time to Die” was pushed to April 2021.

Variety understands from sources that the chain will close all sites in both countries as early as this week, with staff notified ahead of Monday. Regal is the second largest domestic chain in the U.S., while Cineworld is the U.K.’s biggest cinema operator.

In the U.K., Cineworld, which declined to comment, is understood to be writing to Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden this weekend to explain that the exhibition sector is “unviable” due to studios delaying tentpoles as a result of anxious audiences steering clear of cinemas amid the global pandemic. The Cineworld closures will put up to 5,500 jobs at risk in the U.K."

Sources indicate a reopening date hasn’t yet been set, but cinemas could stay closed until 2021.

"The delay is another major blow to theaters. Without “No Time to Die,” Pixar’s “Soul” on Nov. 20 is the next big movie slated for theatrical release. However, there are rumblings that Disney will move the animated adventure and possibly even put it on Disney Plus, the studio’s subscription streaming service. Two Warner Bros. titles, “Wonder Woman 1984” and “Dune,” are still set for December, though there’s a chance those could be postponed again as well."

 

GimpYancIent

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"Cineworld is shuttering all 543 of its Regal Cinema venues in the U.S. and all cinemas across the U.K. and Ireland this coming week, just a day after James Bond film “No Time to Die” was pushed to April 2021.

Variety understands from sources that the chain will close all sites in both countries as early as this week, with staff notified ahead of Monday. Regal is the second largest domestic chain in the U.S., while Cineworld is the U.K.’s biggest cinema operator.

In the U.K., Cineworld, which declined to comment, is understood to be writing to Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden this weekend to explain that the exhibition sector is “unviable” due to studios delaying tentpoles as a result of anxious audiences steering clear of cinemas amid the global pandemic. The Cineworld closures will put up to 5,500 jobs at risk in the U.K."

Sources indicate a reopening date hasn’t yet been set, but cinemas could stay closed until 2021.

"The delay is another major blow to theaters. Without “No Time to Die,” Pixar’s “Soul” on Nov. 20 is the next big movie slated for theatrical release. However, there are rumblings that Disney will move the animated adventure and possibly even put it on Disney Plus, the studio’s subscription streaming service. Two Warner Bros. titles, “Wonder Woman 1984” and “Dune,” are still set for December, though there’s a chance those could be postponed again as well."

DRIVE IN THEATERS! How hard is it to understand that there needs to be a return of the Drive In theater. It is clearly the way to go.
 

GimpYancIent

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Florida has done a lot more testing per capita than Vermont because there were a lot more sick people. There has been widespread community spread for a long period of time now. Percent positive gives us a good indication of whether enough testing is being done. What’s the percent positive in VT vs FL? Did they have long stretches of time over 5% in VT? If Vermont wasn’t doing enough testing and that’s why they have less cases then their percent positive would be high (over 5%) instead of 0.2%...not 2%...0.2%. As of a few weeks ago Vermont hadn’t had a Covid death since the end of July and only had a handful of people still hospitalized. Deaths and hospitalizations can’t be skewed by more testing or lack of testing.

Here’s a decent read on what VT did:
Maybe maple syrup has some undiscovered medicinal value?
 

Kevin_W

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DRIVE IN THEATERS! How hard is it to understand that there needs to be a return of the Drive In theater. It is clearly the way to go.
Really? I would 100x rather watch a movie streaming (or physical disk) than in a Drive In theater. My car has a decent sound system, but no where close to my home, and the screen is better and the seating more comfortable at home.
 

GoofGoof

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Maybe maple syrup has some undiscovered medicinal value?
Its delicious😋 So’s Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. Not sure if there’s any correlation to Covid, but there’s much we don’t know yet so who knows ;) That’s one clinical trial I‘d gladly sign up for :)
 

GimpYancIent

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Really? I would 100x rather watch a movie streaming (or physical disk) than in a Drive In theater. My car has a decent sound system, but no where close to my home, and the screen is better and the seating more comfortable at home.
You by all means continue to enjoy. There are people that enjoy getting out and taking in a movie outside the home. For those the brick and mortar theater now has a health risk, but, the drive in not only is nostalgic also it would not have the same health risk. Simple pleasures, there are very few these days.
 

GoofGoof

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Not really sure how me saying I can see why people don’t want to participate in contact tracing equates to “I think everyone should go to work no matter what!” Bit of a stretch there.
You said this:
If I can’t work from home and I need to work a certain number of hours to support myself (and I know the government isn’t going to take care of me, we’ve already seen that) then why on earth would I willingly allow the government to force me to quarantine for 2 weeks at a moment’s notice?
I said this:
We don’t live in that world by choice. There were proposals to require employers to provide paid sick leave for anyone who had to quarantine. We could have passed that into law. “We” chose not to. Instead you are saying since we don’t have that it’s Ok for people to go to work when they are sick or potentially sick if they need the money.
Was my reply inaccurate or somehow a stretch? You said why on earth would I willingly allow the government to force me to quarantine if I can’t work from home and I need the money. You wouldn’t be asked to quarantine unless you were sick or potentially sick so how is what I said a stretch?

As far as the need for pay, I addressed that too. The government passed a bill back in March that required employers to pay employees for sick time off due to quarantining for Covid. The bill was imperfect and allowed some loopholes related specifically to small businesses and part time workers but those issues could and should have been resolved through legislation. Nobody should have to work if they fall into the category of needing to quarantine.
There are moral arguments on both sides. You can say “if you cared about other people, you would stay home so people don’t get sick,” and I could just as easily say “if you cared about other people, you would relax restrictions so they can work and not be homeless.”
Relaxing restrictions isn’t a light switch to fix the economy. Covid crippled our economy, just like the rest of the world. Businesses that are suffering aren’t all just because of government imposed restrictions. Sure there’s stuff like cruise lines and bars/restaurants in some places that are not allowed to be open but many other industries are hurting due to poor demand from Covid. WDW is open and allowed to open further if they choose but they aren’t seeing the demand and if they roll back restrictions that demand might drop not increase. It’s not as easy as just removing restrictions and the economy comes back. Also, some of those same safety protocols are designed to keep workers healthy.
 

Slpy3270

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With movie theaters closing again due to unprofitability from delayed releases it's not an exaggeration to say that theme parks will be next due to prolonged low attendance and investment in health protocols causing rapid cash burn.
 

Disstevefan1

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With movie theaters closing again due to unprofitability from delayed releases it's not an exaggeration to say that theme parks will be next due to prolonged low attendance and investment in health protocols causing rapid cash burn.
All the theme parks need to is let more folks in and they will come. Disneyland for example is unnecessarily closed.
 
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