Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[seabreezept813]

I suppose if someone had plans on getting married at Disney and had to keep pushing the wedding date back it is great news. However if I ever get to walking down the aisle it won't be at Disney because it is too damn expensive.

Got married at Disney for about 6k. So about 1/5 the cost of what a wedding up here would have been. They have lots of options. It’s not just for the elite.

 

[seabreezept813]

I agree. All of my kids have done very well with masks. I think seeing us and so many others wearing them definitely helps. I think it's far weirder for us than it is for them.

My concern with a 2-year-old is more of a control thing. My kids wear shoes and see everyone else wearing them too, but that didn't stop them from taking them off all the time in the car or stroller. I could see a mask being a similar issue at that age.

My 2 year old is fascinated by masks. She’ll wear one and leave it on but touches it constantly. So not the greatest .

 

[MissingDisney]

Got married at Disney for about 6k. So about 1/5 the cost of what a wedding up here would have been. They have lots of options. It’s not just for the elite.

But that was only for the bride and groom and one friend each to serve as witnesses.

Just teasing, I’m certain it was wonderfully magical. However my niece and her boyfriend looked into it with about 75-100 guests.....don’t even ask. They could buy a house for less. And that was the scaled back package.

 

[seabreezept813]

But that was only for the bride and groom and one friend each to serve as witnesses.

Just teasing, I’m certain it was wonderfully magical. However my niece and her boyfriend looked into it with about 75-100 guests.....don’t even ask. They could buy a house for less. And that was the scaled back package.

O man our total was 12 but let me tell you it was way more magical than the bigger party my parents had for us when we went back. Nothing like waking up and hanging by the pool and shopping on your wedding day and a nice dinner and fireworks afterwards. I got to enjoy my dinner!

 

[DCBaker]

Perhaps news coming for CA theme parks -

 

[Miss Bella]

Perhaps news coming for CA theme parks -

So it will be open to just locals. How stupid.

 

[techgeek]

Perhaps news coming for CA theme parks -

Well, that would be an interesting twist...

 

[GoofGoof]

I've never seen a post where he stated that.

Based on a search in this thread here‘s the first one I came to:

I don't have normalcy bias. I have bias against insane over reactions. While this outbreak is somewhat worse than the flu, data shows that to only be the case to a significant degree in older people, people with underlying medical conditions and, especially, older people with underlying conditions.

Therefore, it would maybe make some sense to try and isolate the people that are most vulnerable from people that may be infected. What does not make sense is to shut down half the world and panic people like it is Armageddon.

People say that these extreme actions are necessary to save lives. The same actions would save hundreds of thousands of lives a year if we did them in response to the flu. Why is the world allowed to operate normally and let 300,000 people die but it must shut down so that (taking some worst case estimates) 3,000,000 people don't die. In the grand scheme that is still only 0.04% of the population.

I know this is going to come off like me being a cold hearted jerk but, based on the category of people most likely to be killed by COVID-19, they would likely die of some other disease or cause in the next couple of years anyway. Destroying the world economy is going to lead to young people dying of starvation in developing nations and quite possibly lead to more deaths than would occur if this virus was just allowed to run rampant.

If this virus was killing children or even healthy, non-elderly adults in large numbers, then I would support drastic actions. We need to use some common sense. Test people suspected of being infected and isolate them. Beg people that are sick with any illness to be courteous and cough/sneeze into their elbow just to be safe. Use good sanitation and hygiene practices in general.

 

[Chi84]

Based on a search in this thread here‘s the first one I came to:

Whether or not I agree with that reasoning, I wouldn’t just conclude that he believes older Americans have less value. He seems to be arguing that it would have been preferable to isolate the most vulnerable people instead of shutting down the entire economy. I think your assessment of his position is pretty harsh, but I’m sure you disagree so no point in arguing.

 

[Miss Bella]

Based on a search in this thread here‘s the first one I came to:

I don't conclude from that post that he doesn't value older people lives. My mom is in an assisted living. She has cancer and a really poor quality of life. She's had a great and full life. She doesn't want the economy shut down or her kids or grandkids losing their jobs. I have a feeling a lot of elderly people feel that way. I know I certainly would.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

She doesn't want the economy shut down or her kids or grandkids losing their jobs.

Who wants that?

 

[Miss Bella]

Who wants that?

I'm guessing you haven't followed this thread for the last several months. People that don't want WDW, restaurants, bars, schools, cruises or any other business that's not essential to be open. It tends to cause people to lose jobs albeit all the layoffs that are happening this week.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm guessing you haven't followed this thread for the last several months. People that don't want WDW, restaurants, bars, schools, cruises or any other business that's not essential to be open. It tends to cause people to lose jobs albeit all the layoffs that are happening this week.

You are saying that those people want people to lose their jobs?

I’m also not aware of any restaurants or schools that closed?

 

[Miss Bella]

You are saying that those people want people to lose their jobs?

I’m also not aware of any restaurants or schools that closed?

. You don’t know any restaurants that closed? You must be joking. At this point I’ll just assume your being sarcastic.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

. You don’t know any restaurants that closed? You must be joking. At this point I’ll just assume your being sarcastic.

No I’m not being sarcastic?
I have heard of restaurants going out of business is that what you are asking?

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't conclude from that post that he doesn't value older people lives. My mom is in an assisted living. She has cancer and a really poor quality of life. She's had a great and full life. She doesn't want the economy shut down or her kids or grandkids losing their jobs. I have a feeling a lot of elderly people feel that way. I know I certainly would.

Exactly. It's not that I don't value the lives of the elderly. I'm not saying not to try and protect the elderly from COVID. I'm saying that once somebody is elderly, they have lived a full life and, unfortunately for all of us, don't have a long life ahead of them like young people do. My dad recently passed at 80 (not from COVID). From watching ESPN, I often see reports of former athletes that pass in their 70's.

As I said in that post I dug up, if the mortality rate was high for children and young adults I would support taking every possible drastic measure to save as many lives as possible. However, since the fact is that the VAST, VAST majority of deaths are in elderly people I believe that things should be done to try and protect the elderly that don't involve shutting down life or significantly reducing the quality of life for billions of young people who have a long life ahead of them.

WDW is a perfect example. If WDW was still closed like DL, there would be tens of thousands of children and families deprived of enjoying their lives. I don't believe they should be deprived as a trade off for possibly extending the lives of some number of elderly people by a few months or a couple of years. In fact, I would expect that many grandparents would want their grandkids to take a trip to WDW and enjoy their childhood even with the small chance that they might contract COVID as the result of their grandkids taking the trip.

Some number of families have forever missed out on a once in a lifetime trip filled with lifelong memories because of the COVID shutdown. My underlying philosophy in this whole thing has been that, for humans, life is about more than just existing.

Another example is my friend's dad. He is 82 and has been battling cancer. He told my friend that he doesn't want to spend whatever life he has left locked up at home and that he'd rather take the chance of getting COVID and do things that he enjoys.

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[crawale]

Based on a search in this thread here‘s the first one I came to:

I'm guessing you haven't followed this thread for the last several months. People that don't want WDW, restaurants, bars, schools, cruises or any other business that's not essential to be open. It tends to cause people to lose jobs albeit all the layoffs that are happening this week.

It is about time the American people were treated as adults - able to make decisions for themselves. It is simple - if you have been scared out of your mind by the media hype then stay indoors but let the rest of us decide for ourselves. Disney has certainly gone crazy about 'safety' - just tell me what in life is 100% safe. Masks outdoors are ridiculous. All the circles and marks on the ground are ridiculous.

 

[crawale]

Exactly. It's not that I don't value the lives of the elderly. I'm not saying not to try and protect the elderly from COVID. I'm saying that once somebody is elderly, they have lived a full life and, unfortunately for all of us, don't have a long life ahead of them like young people do. My dad recently passed at 80 (not from COVID). From watching ESPN, I often see reports of former athletes that pass in their 70's.

As I said in that post I dug up, if the mortality rate was high for children and young adults I would support taking every possible drastic measure to save as many lives as possible. However, since the fact is that the VAST, VAST majority of deaths are in elderly people I believe that things should be done to try and protect the elderly that don't involve shutting down life or significantly reducing the quality of life for billions of young people who have a long life ahead of them.

WDW is a perfect example. If WDW was still closed like DL, there would be tens of thousands of children and families deprived of enjoying their lives. I don't believe they should be deprived as a trade off for possibly extending the lives of some number of elderly people by a few months or a couple of years. In fact, I would expect that many grandparents would want their grandkids to take a trip to WDW and enjoy their childhood even with the small chance that they might contract COVID as the result of their grandkids taking the trip.

Some number of families have forever missed out on a once in a lifetime trip filled with lifelong memories because of the COVID shutdown. My underlying philosophy in this whole thing has been that, for humans, life is about more than just existing.

Another example is my friend's dad. He is 82 and has been battling cancer. He told my friend that he doesn't want to spend whatever life he has left locked up at home and that he'd rather take the chance of getting COVID and do things that he enjoys.

Good for your friend's dad. Can you tell me what in life is 100% safe? Answer is nothing. When did Americans become so fearful? We need to stop listening to the hyped up scare tactics of the media. Life is short - live it.

 

[crawale]

Based on a search in this thread here‘s the first one I came to:

Just allow people to make their own decisions - be treated as adults rather than imbecile children who must be 'protected'.