Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

You should not ignore deaths. It's the most important and maybe the most accurate metric.

The most important and accurate metric is rising in a steep upward trend. That’s why I said it’s hard to spin it as positive. Doesn’t that directly contradict your statement that things look better?

 

[Disstevefan1]

NY is down to 1.1% positives. So... plateauing is not good. FL had been plateauing with low numbers for months, which was the opportunity to do contact tracing and lower the numbers to minimal. But they opened up during the plateau. And they're still pretty much open. This is a recipe for a continuing plateau with very high numbers for a long time.

I agree, it seems FL will plateau with very high numbers for a long time.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Agreed that the Israeli data is troubling. On the flip side, data from France shows low-to-no spread associated with schools.

France's positivity rate is 1.1%.

When community spread is being controlled, then schools and businesses can open.

Also, it may be France is also doing all the right things with masks and distancing.

 

[Jrb1979]

I agree, it seems FL will plateau with very high numbers for a long time.

The sad thing in all of this it didn't have to be this way. As soon as cases started rising measures should have been taken like mandatory masks. I continue to shake my head. Florida relies a lot on tourists but many aren't going due to Florida being a hot spot. Karma strikes again.

Ontario has a percent positive rate of 0.9%. Something tells me what's been done here works. Its too bad many states have their head in the sand and are using thoughts and prayers for Covid to just go away.

 

[hopemax]

Agreed that the Israeli data is troubling. On the flip side, data from France shows low-to-no spread associated with schools.

The best examples will be where behavior matches what Americans will do. France schools instituted distancing and mask rules, started with smaller classes and scaled up over time. I think students older than 15 are still not back. Israel opened schools as if it was 2019. What do we think the US will do? We're still on this "hold my beer," strategy when provided examples of how to do things appropriately. Some communities will be fine, but others...

 

[wdisney9000]

for many people it still knocks them on their butt for at least a couple of weeks.

I've spoke with a a few dozen people who tested positive and only a few (2 or 3) had symptoms that were beyond headaches, runny nose, loss of appetite. Same goes from what I've spoken with others who know people who tested positive. Mild symptoms.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't hit some people hard, (mostly seniors), but it seems that a majority of the people who get it recover fairly quickly with mild symptoms.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The sad thing in all of this it didn't have to be this way. As soon as cases started rising measures should have been taken like mandatory masks. I continue to shake my head. Florida relies a lot on tourists but many aren't going due to Florida being a hot spot. Karma strikes again.

We are where we are. There were many times in my life I wished I had a Flux Capacitor. As far as tourism, we know at least WDW, and I will include Universal/IOA, are thesafest places for tourists to be if they visit Florida.

I fear getting infected on the plane ride to WDW from where ever you come from more than the WDW parks.

just my opinion.

 

[xdan0920]

There is no evidence that schools are 'safe'.

Schools are as safe as they’ve ever been. Kids die of the flu in large numbers every year. We don’t close schools, because up until this year, we knew schools were important.

It doesn’t matter anyway. Schools aren’t opening. People are selfish and afraid, and that’s that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I've spoke with a a few dozen people who tested positive and only a few (2 or 3) had symptoms that were beyond headaches, runny nose, loss of appetite. Same goes from what I've spoken with others who know people who tested positive. Mild symptoms.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't hit some people hard, (mostly seniors), but it seems that a majority of the people who get it recover fairly quickly with mild symptoms.

This just isn’t true. It’s another false dichotomy.

 

[wdwmagic]

Schools are as safe as they’ve ever been. Kids die of the flu in large numbers every year. We don’t close schools, because up until this year, we knew schools were important.

It doesn’t matter anyway. Schools aren’t opening. People are selfish and afraid, and that’s that.

But there are some significant differences.

We have a vaccine that prevents or reduces symptoms of the most severe forms of flu - we have nothing for COVID.

We have unknown long term complications with COVID.

I think those two things alone would mean that we should proceed with extreme caution in regard to schools, and in my opinion it would not be true to say schools are as safe as they have ever been.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This just isn’t true. It’s another false dichotomy.

Whats not true? @wdisney9000 observation and opinion?
Can a observation and opinion be a lie?
Are you saying @wdisney9000 made up the whole story?

 

[peter11435]

I've spoke with a a few dozen people who tested positive and only a few (2 or 3) had symptoms that were beyond headaches, runny nose, loss of appetite. Same goes from what I've spoken with others who know people who tested positive. Mild symptoms.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't hit some people hard, (mostly seniors), but it seems that a majority of the people who get it recover fairly quickly with mild symptoms.

I know two people who tested positive and died

 

[lazyboy97o]

Whats not true? @wdisney9000 observation and opinion?
Can a observation and opinion be a lie?
Are you saying @wdisney9000 made up the whole story?

This idea that most people only get the sniffles and only the elderly and informed ever really feel sick.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Schools are as safe as they’ve ever been. Kids die of the flu in large numbers every year. We don’t close schools, because up until this year, we knew schools were important.

It doesn’t matter anyway. Schools aren’t opening. People are selfish and afraid, and that’s that.

I’m guessing a pediatrician is well aware of the flu.

 

[peter11435]

It doesn’t matter anyway. Schools aren’t opening. People are selfish and afraid, and that’s that.

Wait? People are selfish if they want to protect themselves and their children from illness and death?

 

[corsairk09]

Now after all our non action, then our “ well I’m going out because I’ve been stuck inside” action we are where we are today. And we have people calling teachers selfish because they may be afraid because of actions and non actions from people in this country. Not fair at all.

I’m a teacher and I am over seeing other teachers complain about going back. Day care, Publix, Target, hospital, circle K .... all of those employees kept going to work and kept the world running. Didn’t hear them complain. We have an obligation to open brick and mortar schools.::: with options for parents to do remote learning. HOWEVER it is important to understand that remote learning is NOT the quality of learning that in person learning will be. There will be learning losses with these options.

 

[corsairk09]

Why does “figure it out” have to equal figure out how to make schools work just like before?

Why can’t we “figure out” how to do online education properly?

It is a matter of time and resources. Kids have already lost so much education.... and remote learning requires adults at home. That can’t be fixed or changed.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It is a matter of time and resources. Kids have already lost so much education.... and remote learning requires adults at home. That can’t be fixed or changed.

We're being taught how bad it was to allow the cost of living to increase to the point where most families require two incomes to make ends meet.

 

[BrianLo]

Schools are as safe as they’ve ever been. Kids die of the flu in large numbers every year. We don’t close schools, because up until this year, we knew schools were important.

It doesn’t matter anyway. Schools aren’t opening. People are selfish and afraid, and that’s that.

Hence the quotation of 'safe'. The implication of safety is that there will not be increased spread by opening schools. That won't be the case. Likewise schools are definitely not safe from influenza.

There may be fairly inconsequential impact on children though. In terms of spread prevention they may not be a safe haven - but I do largely agree there is a strong argument for the benefit to kids.

There is an irony that we are asking children to sacrifice a lot more than the adults are willing to do, for that I agree. I disagree that everything is motivated by fear though. We should not and do not follow evidence simply based on fear. I am personally not really afraid.

 

[Jedijax719]

There's two issues at hand.

1. Opening schools is a HUGE risk. If schools were opening full time with no on-line option, things would get way out of hand very quickly. The amount of cases in children would skyrocket. There's no doubt about that. It's just too many people crammed in the same building for 6-7 hours. Masks wouldn't prevent anything overall. They might help a few people, but the spread would still be rampant. And even if kids don't get "too sick" they will still be little armies armed with the virus, ready to unleash it on everyone else outside of school. Don't buy the BS that says kids don't spread the virus. I teach pathophysiology and there's no scientific mechanism that is known to prevent children from spreading it.

2. Then, there's the other side of the argument. If schools go online only, there will be a LOT of families in a horrible predicament. If they have nobody to stay with their child because they work (single parents OR both parents) then they either need to find day care which could cost up to $1000/week or a babysitter. In either of those cases, there's no guarantee that the child would be able to actually complete the virtual learning tasks. So families may have to spend thousands of dollars and STILL have to do ALL of the work possibly at night and weekends because the care cannot hold the kids accountable. That punishes families whose parents work full time. We cannot expect whatever summer arrangements they had to be available once the school year begins. This could KILL the economy.

The school option idea is at least the best attempt at a common ground. Those applauding the online-only program would use online in a choice plan anyway.And, with any luck, the choice plan would keep numbers down a bit at schools (I know that this would not be a much in urban areas where parents have to work more often).

There's no easy way around this. One thing that CANNOT happen under any circumstance is to have all children back in school face-to-face at the same time.That's a potential death trap for students, teachers, and all of society. There's no way around that.