Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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tlking88

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Welp we have no power at Saratoga as of an hour ago. Resort said it was our building and one other and carriage house. Fellow vacationer says it’s the whole resort and springs along with maybe the whole place. But no news on Twitter, Instagram, or snap chat or news.... no updates also pretty sure they are censoring it
 

oceanbreeze77

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Welp we have no power at Saratoga as of an hour ago. Resort said it was our building and one other and carriage house. Fellow vacationer says it’s the whole resort and springs along with maybe the whole place. But no news on Twitter, Instagram, or snap chat or news.... no updates also pretty sure they are censoring it
danngggg.... Signs being thrown at Disney left and right 😂😂😂
 

GoofGoof

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Switching gears a bit, one positive that comes from the recent surge in cases in the US is the pharma companies looking to run the large stage 3 clinical trials on their vaccines should have a good shot of getting enough positives from the placebo group to show if the vaccines work or not. One fear was the virus wouldn’t be active enough to prove a vaccine works or doesn’t. That shouldn’t be a problem now considering a number of trials start this month. Here’s to hoping one of them works. I’m going on 3 vacations next year to make up for this one :)
 

oceanbreeze77

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Switching gears a bit, one positive that comes from the recent surge in cases in the US is the pharma companies looking to run the large stage 3 clinical trials on their vaccines should have a good shot of getting enough positives from the placebo group to show if the vaccines work or not. One fear was the virus wouldn’t be active enough to prove a vaccine works or doesn’t. That shouldn’t be a problem now considering a number of trials start this month. Here’s to hoping one of them works. I’m going on 3 vacations next year to make up for this one :)
3!?!....I'm vacationing the whole year
 

Yodascousin

Active Member
I’ve read your informative post and looked at some other things the writer has said. Sweden has suffered much worse then its neighbors. Snowdon seems only to want to compare it to the UK, which hasn’t handled things well, rather then to other nations that seem to offer closer comparisons.

He is also very economically focused, and seems to be more concerned with minimizing economic impact rather then minimizing negative outcomes. This seems to make the mistake of believing the two can be separated - that the virus can rage but the economy not suffer much.

If lockdowns don’t reduce the spread of the virus, I’m not clear on how the virus spreads. What is his model for that spread? It should be noted that every country still has ALOT of vulnerable population left and “herd immunity” is, for all intents and purposes, a myth (according to The Lancet.)
I agree with your points I myself am vulnerable and worried about catching the virus it’s why I’m trying to look for the more positive news as otherwise I don’t think i would leave the house! I think what he is getting at is that lockdowns do reduce the spread but not by much personally I don’t agree.
I think lockdowns do work but timing is critical Lockdown too late and there would be to many excess deaths however lockdown to early before the virus is in proper circulation then you get what is happening in the southern states they went into lockdown when the cases there were not high enough and so thought they were safe and rushed the opening which is what is now causing this surge I believe that if places like Florida Texas and Arizona waited a few more weeks and then did a lockdown then there situation would not be as bad as it is now
 

mickeymiss

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I really haven’t seen the skewering. I’m actually surprised there wasn’t more bad press. There were some headlines and reports talking about Disney opening in the middle of a spike in cases in FL but almost every story I’ve seen also goes on to talk about how Disney‘s safety precautions are above and beyond what anyone else is doing. They did a pretty good job with PR spin and this is coming from someone who has said for weeks now that there was a big PR risk with opening during a spike in cases. There’s still a risk of an outbreak traced back to WDW but so far, so good on the PR front.

I think people will find negative spin where they actively seek it. Twitter is a central hub for outrage about anything. I've seen a lot of positives on this message board outside of corona threads and even on the main Disney facebook page. Fact is, people who complain are very outspoken on the internet. It's kind of their thing 😂
 

Touchdown

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By the way, I hate to be a broken record on this, and I also hate being right in this case but the death rate is officially no longer declining nationwide

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I can’t wait to hear the excuses now...
 

MotherOfBirds

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This may have already been mentioned, but a Dis Streamer was showing clear symptoms while at Disney and vlogging about it as she's walking around stores. She went to first aid for shortness of breath, coughing, sore throat, and vomiting, and they told her to go to a hospital. She refused, spent the rest of the day at MK, and she's at AK today.
 

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
By the way, I hate to be a broken record on this, and I also hate being right in this case but the death rate is officially no longer declining nationwide

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I can’t wait to hear the excuses now...
I’m sure you will be thrilled to know then that today, with only 2 of the 4 parks open already and severely reduced capacity at those 2 parks, Disney still couldn’t sell out the reservations they have. You could buy a ticket and make a reservation for either park for today right now.

It’s not clear to me that this has been successful for Disney. Chapek said they’d sell out whatever capacity they offered; clearly, that’s not true.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
This may have already been mentioned, but a Dis Streamer was showing clear symptoms while at Disney and vlogging about it as she's walking around stores. She went to first aid for shortness of breath, coughing, sore throat, and vomiting, and they told her to go to a hospital. She refused, spent the rest of the day at MK, and she's at AK today.
Seems it was an allergic reaction to nuts.
 

John park hopper

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This may have already been mentioned, but a Dis Streamer was showing clear symptoms while at Disney and vlogging about it as she's walking around stores. She went to first aid for shortness of breath, coughing, sore throat, and vomiting, and they told her to go to a hospital. She refused, spent the rest of the day at MK, and she's at AK today.
If she had the symptoms and went to the first aid why in the heck did Disney allow her to continue walking around the parks that day let alone the next day. The story sounds suspect
 

Touchdown

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I’m sure you will be thrilled to know then that today, with only 2 of the 4 parks open already and severely reduced capacity at those 2 parks, Disney still couldn’t sell out the reservations they have. You could buy a ticket and make a reservation for either park for today right now.

It’s not clear to me that this has been successful for Disney. Chapek said they’d sell out whatever capacity they offered; clearly, that’s not true.

Am I thrilled to know that more people are heeding health professionals warnings by avoiding dangerous situations? Why yes, yes I am. Just like I was thrilled to see about 95% mask compliance in the local grocery store which is far better compliance then 2 weeks ago.

Am I thrilled to see Disney floundering like this? No I’m not, as I’ve posted before in addition to being seen as unsafe the way they are currently operating the parks is damaging the brand on multiple levels. I don’t think any amusement park should be open currently, I own 5 2020 season/annual passes and even though they are now all open and 4 parks are in driving distance I have no plans to go to any of them the entire summer.

It’s my personal belief that the next 3 months may be the darkest days this country has ever seen. I think it’s going to be horrible, and what’s worse is that we could have avoided all of this if not for our own collective stupidity. I’m going to be seeing this suffering first hand and I’m not looking forward to it, I just wish everyone would finally accept this. The only silver lining is that people are starting to be smarter, so maybe it won’t be as bad as I think it’s going to be.
 

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Am I thrilled to know that more people are heeding health professionals warnings by avoiding dangerous situations? Why yes, yes I am. Just like I was thrilled to see about 95% mask compliance in the local grocery store which is far better compliance then 2 weeks ago.

Am I thrilled to see Disney floundering like this? No I’m not, as I’ve posted before in addition to being seen as unsafe the way they are currently operating the parks is damaging the brand on multiple levels. I don’t think any amusement park should be open currently, I own 5 2020 season/annual passes and even though they are now all open and 4 parks are in driving distance I have no plans to go to any of them the entire summer.

It’s my personal belief that the next 3 months may be the darkest days this country has ever seen. I think it’s going to be horrible, and what’s worse is that we could have avoided all of this if not for our own collective stupidity. I’m going to be seeing this suffering first hand and I’m not looking forward to it, I just wish everyone would finally accept this. The only silver lining is that people are starting to be smarter, so maybe it won’t be as bad as I think it’s going to be.
I wouldn’t have opened yet if I were Disney but I don’t agree that regional theme parks with 90%+ outdoor attractions should stay closed, so long as they are willing to be exceptionally strict with mask and distancing policies. A normal country would give the tourism industry a mix of grants and loans to stay closed but America would never, and even if they did, the side out of power (whichever side it was) would criticize the other for bailing out giant corporations.
 

Touchdown

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You should avoid being in a crowd of people unless that activity is essential, theme parks never are. They are also tourist attractions that cause people to travel.

As for your chart Danny, your just continuing to push out the lag in data, Hospitals and ICUs are full and home deaths are on the rise in hot spots. As you whistle past the graveyard you continue to push for waiting for more data to come in, which is only going to hurt more people.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
You should avoid being in a crowd of people unless that activity is essential, theme parks never are. They are also tourist attractions that cause people to travel.

As for your chart Danny, your just continuing to push out the lag in data, Hospitals and ICUs are full and home deaths are on the rise in hot spots. As you whistle past the graveyard you continue to push for waiting for more data to come in, which is only going to hurt more people.
Look closer. The lag has always existed, to a much lesser extent. This isn’t a lag, it’s data mining.

Now, about the authors agenda. It’s irrelevant. The data is the data.
 

John park hopper

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It is all about the money Myrtle Beach has been a source of infection-- people vacation and take it back to their home State

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Originally canceled from May, cases have not gone down actually have gone up here in SC Harley week brings 200000+ Bikers from all over the country. My bike is staying in the garage
 

GoofGoof

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I think people will find negative spin where they actively seek it. Twitter is a central hub for outrage about anything. I've seen a lot of positives on this message board outside of corona threads and even on the main Disney facebook page. Fact is, people who complain are very outspoken on the internet. It's kind of their thing 😂
I wasn’t really talking about Twitter. It was pretty well established that the Disney fan community is split on the decision to re-open. People who were tweeting or positing on a board like this saying the opening should have been delayed were of course going to look for a way to point out it was a mistake. Same goes on the other extreme. The people turning a blind eye to the real risks that just want their pixie dust fix are of course not going to tweet anything negative.

My comments were more on the main stream media. I’ve been saying this for a while now, but WDW can’t succeed long term on just the fan community or locals with APs. They need the general public to come. They need the ”average tourists” to show up for the parks to make money. So the overwhelming positive coverage they got on almost all media formats was a big win for Disney. Even CNN which I would have expected to hammer home the opening during a surge in cases point didn’t kill them. The piece I saw had a headline talking about Disney World opening while FL is seeing 10,000 cases a day but they spent most of the time allotted to the story showing clips of the CM preview days and talking about the safety protocols. I’d say it was a win for Disney from a PR standpoint. There’s no hiding that this is a terrible time for WDW to open from a standpoint of the major spike in cases in FL, but at least they got their safety message out.
 
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