Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Voxel]

It makes absolute sense until tests are more widely available, too.

Except the main reason Korea has curbed this as fast is from rapid and constant testing of people showing signs and everyone they were in contact with.

 

[englanddg]

The official site looks to be taking a hammering. They are using a virtual queue.

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Wow. It's a flashback to the launch of MDX!

 

[networkpro]

It's about the only way to prevent people who suddenly are out of school, working from home in areas there's community spread covid to just pop down to Florida for a quick share the death vacation.

Keeping the lid on the tooth paste tube.

 

[Disorbust]

My Daughter, who works for Disney, Director came back sick as a dog from Vegas and did try to get tested and they said "she didn't meet criteria" which is complete

They are not testing appropriately in Florida wether thats because the don't want to know the real numbers, don't have the tests or incompentence, it is completely unexceptable. Fauci is right, the US is failing.

Congrats to Disney for making the right call and bless them for paying their cast!

 

[LukeS7]

Also (just from random stories seen on social media, so take this with a HUGE grain of salt), I've been reading that actually getting tested is not nearly as simple or easy as one would think it would be.

So fun fact, I actually got firsthand experience with this today. My girlfriend is sick and we went to our primary care doctor. They didn’t even finish intake, the nurse stepped out and came back in with a mask on and told us we had to go to the hospital.

We were told they had a tent set up outside and the test would happen in your car. We get to the hospital, no tent. Call the hospital: “oh, we don’t have that, here’s our hotline number”.

Hotline number says they have a tent and the test will happen in your car. Then went back to the operator again, who then went over the symptoms my girlfriend has and contact history and then forwarded us to the county health department.

Health department goes over her symptoms and travel/contact history (she hasn’t been in contact with a confirmed case or with someone who’s traveled internationally), and then state that they don’t think she should be tested as there’s no evidence of community spread in the county.

All of this because she has a cough that we think is from a cold or pneumonia.

This is exactly why testing needs to be widespread and an exact process set up.

1. The hospital’s own hotline contradicted reality
2. The county health department disagreed with the doctor on the necessity of a test
3. The county health department was stating there’s no evidence of community spread, which I have zero clue how they can tell that if they’re not testing anyone who can’t 1000% confirm they’ve been in contact with a confirmed case
4. This kept her from being able to see a doctor for her actual health issue. They called in a prescription but they did not actually see her or diagnose her.

This is going to cost us lives. We’re in our 20’s so our risk is low, but if this happens to people with major health issues, they will not get the care that they need.

 

[englanddg]

I will always listen to the experts in these type of situations because I know they have a lot more knowledge then I do. In this case it’s World health organization. It’s a good precautionary move.
Always remember... science doesn’t care what anyone of us believes in.

As someone who works in insurance (which is why I understand how the risk markets are viewing this) and engineering, remember, the people who are reporting things to the media, generally, are not scientists. Rather, they are interpreting what they have read and regurgitating it in a simpler fashion.

Rinse and repeat down the pipeline of information.

Best, always, to go to primary sources when you can.

I'm not saying it's not serious, and people shouldn't be careful. I'm merely suggesting that the proper response to this sort of situation is to:

1) Educate yourself
2) Behave accordingly
3) Grab a towel
4) Don't panic

 

[MisterPenguin]

My Daughter, who works for Disney, Director came back sick as a dog from Vegas and did try to get tested and they said "she didn't meet criteria" which is complete bull

They are not testing appropriately in Florida wether thats because the don't want to know the real numbers, don't have the tests or incompentence, it is completely unexceptable. Fauci is right, the US is failing.

Congrats to Disney for making the right call and bless them for paying their cast!

No.... do you watch the news? It is well known the U.S. is very far behind in obtaining testing kits.

There are rationing test kits because there aren't enough of them in the U.S.

Both the CDC and the Federal Government had a hand in botching that.

And so, the only people being tested are those with severe symptoms.

And this means so many, many, many people are not being tested. Which means we are blind to how much CV19 has spread so far in the U.S. Those with severe symptoms and diagnosed are just the tip of the ice berg.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

No.... do you watch the news? It is well known the U.S. is very far behind in obtaining testing kits.

There are rationing test kits because there aren't enough of them in the U.S.

77 this week apparently. And slowing? Oy vey.

CDC tested only 77 people this week; coronavirus testing slow around the nation

Coronavirus testing in the United States appears to be proceeding with a marked lack of urgency. An examination of state and federal records by Yahoo News finds that American states are, on average, testing fewer than 100 people per day — while the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had...

news.yahoo.com

 

[EricsBiscuit]

They didn’t have this reaction when the swine flu hit.

 

[MrHappy]

People shouldn't be hysterical about anything.

But there is a very serious crisis coming that China, Italy, and Iran have already faced.

That crisis is this: A segment of the population (mostly those already with health issues) will require Intensive Care, oxygen, and even mechanical respirators in order to stay alive long enough to fight off the virus.

However, if disease spreads rapidly, then everyone who is going to become severely ill, will become severely ill all at once. And there isn't enough ICUs, oxygen machines, and respirators to take care of them all at once.

There will be people gasping for breath and actively dying of asphyxiation who could have been saved, but won't, because there isn't enough equipment.

Think about if that person was your parent or grandparent. You rushing them to the hospital and they in a bed in a hallway actively dying. Your demands that they do something will fall on deaf ears. "We don't have enough equipment. To help them, we'd have to unhook someone else already being kept alive by these machines."

Are you feeling the hysteria yet?

You're one of my favorites @MisterPenguin , another thing to add....while taking your covid loved one, you as well, will contract the virus. It's the circle of life. I apologize for the swearing.

 

[MrHappy]

They didn’t have this reaction when the swine flu hit.

Hey biscuits, I read your earlier post. Now i understand why orange county is doing what they are (not) doing. #onlyinflorida

 

[englanddg]

People shouldn't be hysterical about anything.

But there is a very serious crisis coming that China, Italy, and Iran have already faced.

That crisis is this: A segment of the population (mostly those already with health issues) will require Intensive Care, oxygen, and even mechanical respirators in order to stay alive long enough to fight off the virus.

However, if disease spreads rapidly, then everyone who is going to become severely ill, will become severely ill all at once. And there isn't enough ICUs, oxygen machines, and respirators to take care of them all at once.

There will be people gasping for breath and actively dying of asphyxiation who could have been saved, but won't, because there isn't enough equipment.

Think about if that person was your parent or grandparent. You rushing them to the hospital and they in a bed in a hallway actively dying. Your demands that they do something will fall on deaf ears. "We don't have enough equipment. To help them, we'd have to unhook someone else already being kept alive by these machines."

Are you feeling the hysteria yet?

No. Not hysteria.

A logistics nightmare. But, not hysteria.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Except the main reason Korea has curbed this as fast is from rapid and constant testing of people showing signs and everyone they were in contact with.

I didn't say we didn't NEED to test extensively...we just aren't able to as of yet.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is it? Perhaps it is. I hate to sound awful, but people die. People get sick from exposure. Things happen. The world isn't nerf.

I still see nothing out of this virus that explains the hysterical nature of the response.

I don't mean to sound cold, but...it is what it is.

Someone posted a graph earlier but I’m not going back to look for it. The biggest problem is the US doesn’t have enough hospital beds and especially ventilators if the outbreak goes unchecked. Closing schools and sports leagues and theme parks isn’t going to completely prevent the spread (the cat is out of the bag), but it can possibly slow it enough and spread out the infections so that we don’t run out of space to treat people who do get seriously ill. We will get past this either way. Life will go on. The only question is how bad will the casualties be.

 

[Voxel]

I didn't say we didn't NEED to test extensively...we just aren't able to as of yet.

Fair enough, I miss read the original message.

 

[Disorbust]

No.... do you watch the news? It is well known the U.S. is very far behind in obtaining testing kits.

There are rationing test kits because there aren't enough of them in the U.S.

Both the CDC and the Federal Government had a hand in botching that.

And so, the only people being tested are those with severe symptoms.

And this means so many, many, many people are not being tested. Which means we are blind to how much CV19 has spread so far in the U.S. Those with severe symptoms and diagnosed are just the tip of the ice berg.

Actually I watch ALOT of news AND work as a RN that is dealing with this daily and I know the CDC crieria for testing which she checked all the boxes.

This is completely "botched" and when they do case studies in the future our healthcare system will also get its shre of the blame. We have less ICU beds and Vents per capita then South Korea. That reality of ICU beds Vents and staff shortages is why all this "overreaction" is takng place.

 

[englanddg]

So fun fact, I actually got firsthand experience with this today. My girlfriend is sick and we went to our primary care doctor. They didn’t even finish intake, the nurse stepped out and came back in with a mask on and told us we had to go to the hospital.

We were told they had a tent set up outside and the test would happen in your car. We get to the hospital, no tent. Call the hospital: “oh, we don’t have that, here’s our hotline number”.

Hotline number says they have a tent and the test will happen in your car. Then went back to the operator again, who then went over the symptoms my girlfriend has and contact history and then forwarded us to the county health department.

Health department goes over her symptoms and travel/contact history (she hasn’t been in contact with a confirmed case or with someone who’s traveled internationally), and then state that they don’t think she should be tested as there’s no evidence of community spread in the county.

All of this because she has a cough that we think is from a cold or pneumonia.

This is exactly why testing needs to be widespread and an exact process set up.

1. The hospital’s own hotline contradicted reality
2. The county health department disagreed with the doctor on the necessity of a test
3. The county health department was stating there’s no evidence of community spread, which I have zero f***ing clue how they can tell that if they’re not testing anyone who can’t 1000% confirm they’ve been in contact with a confirmed case
4. This kept her from being able to see a doctor for her actual health issue. They called in a prescription but they did not actually see her or diagnose her.

This is going to cost us lives. We’re in our 20’s so our risk is low, but if this happens to people with major health issues, they will not get the care that they need.

The last thing the hospital needs are a bunch of people suffering from allergies showing up complaining about breathing difficulties.

Keep calm.

 

[Voxel]

Someone posted a graph earlier but I’m not going back to look for it. The biggest problem is the US doesn’t have enough hospital beds and especially ventilators if the outbreak goes unchecked. Closing schools and sports leagues and theme parks isn’t going to completely prevent the spread (the cat is out of the bag), but it can possibly slow it enough and spread out the infections so that we don’t run out of space to treat people who do get seriously ill. We will get past this either way. Life will go on. The only question is how bad will the casualties be.

Made sure my mom has food and supplies. She's in the right age group, with a compromised immune systems and meds that make it even weaker. We are not taking any chances were her. Better safe than sorry.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

As someone who works in insurance (which is why I understand how the risk markets are viewing this) and engineering, remember, the people who are reporting things to the media, generally, are not scientists. Rather, they are interpreting what they have read and regurgitating it in a simpler fashion.

Rinse and repeat down the pipeline of information.

Best, always, to go to primary sources when you can.

I'm not saying it's not serious, and people shouldn't be careful. I'm merely suggesting that the proper response to this sort of situation is to:

1) Educate yourself
2) Behave accordingly
3) Grab a towel
4) Don't panic

The WHO relies mostly on scientific research and input from numerous scientists and other health industries. A quick google search will tell you that. The 4 items you list are excellent ideas for all to do. Hopefully by now most know to do them all. WHO has been saying that for weeks now. When they raise the level to pandemic, it’s not just a flu anymore.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Actually I watch ALOT of news AND work as a RN that is dealing with this daily and I know the CDC crieria for testing which she checked all the boxes.

Who turned down the call for the test, the local health care provider? The state? The CDC?