oceanbreeze77
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So this article was posted April 20, the one @lazyboy97o posted, was posted mid may. So it seems that over time they worked to correct their listings, as Dr. Ezike was quoted in the May article.
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Jrb1979
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I thought heard every reason why Covid-19 is nothing and we should just open everything. This takes the cake. So instead of 100000 deaths its now 90000. Much better.
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You're here ALL DAY, EVERYDAY doing nothing but trying to change peoples minds who disagree with you.
oceanbreeze77
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hes not trying to change minds, he's just been presenting facts.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
To be fair to him, he is one the the more reasonable and least combative here.
Patcheslee
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In most ways I agree that in classroom teaching is best for students. What I DID see as an improvement with my then 5th grader was she wasn't daydreaming/obviously talking with classmates/rushing to complete work just to have free reading time. She was also more willing to message the teacher in math with questions where previously she wouldn't say a word because kids made fun of her. So there are parts that worked out better in her case, but I'm not entirely convinced it's enough to take away the need for human interaction with kids her age, learning new routines, rules, and expectations going into middle school. We'll see once they release their opening plan here, we have 30 days till their first day back and still no clear cut plan. (Home or school temp check?, room transfer or not, are PE/band/choir now canceled? Masks, lunch in assigned rooms, maybe no bus service ect.) We do know all field trips for the entire school year and normal events/holiday celebrations are canceled already, but that is it. Just too many unanswered questions to make a decision.
The "facts" that conveniently change from week to week per the CDC and WHO.
oceanbreeze77
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you mean, we learn more about a NOVEL virus?
Yes, @GoofGoof , please know that I'm not attacking you. You are honestly one of the more calm and level headed folks in this thread. Emotions don't exactly translate through typed messages. I sincerely appreciate your responses and the back and forth we have had over the last few months. Please excuse any "tone" that may have come across in my messages.
Beers on me if we meet at WDW, which I would truly enjoy to sit and chat with you.
Ariel1986
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Our laws were actually changed back in March so that doctors could certify Covid deaths even if they had not seen the body/patient previously and whether or not the patient had been tested for the virus! And if a death certificate lists Covid as the cause, no post mortem is needed to confirm. There are actually scientists frustrated and concerned at the lack of postmortems on Covid patients which would allow them to study the disease through the tissues.
GPs can certify death without attending under new emergency legislation
The Coronavirus Act, which was passed by Parliament yesterday and is law as of today, means it is now possible for GPs to certify death without physically attending.
www.pulsetoday.co.uk
Lack of post-mortems hampering fight against coronavirus, warn experts
Exclusive: Only a few dozen medical post-mortems have been carried out leading to a shortage of tissues for scientists working on ways to combat the virus
www.independent.co.uk
I’m going to try and be a respectful as I can but just because you have a chronic disease does not mean Covid cannot kill you. To use a completely unrelated example:
Imagine you have a person with metastatic colon cancer, incurable and that person has been given 3 months to live.
Ok now imagine that person gets a pneumonia, and it gets bad, that person ends up in ICU in septic shock (organ failure and a state where a persons blood pressure requires medication to get normal.) However they get better except their kidneys don’t and rather then go on dialysis he goes on hospice and passes.
What is going to go on his death certificate as cause of death? I mean, without the cancer he should have survived the pneumonia. So is cancer on the list, the answer is no. Cause of death is:
1. Acute non traumatic kidney failure (Caused by)
2. Septic Shock (caused by)
3. Acute Bacterial Pneumonia
Cancer is only listed as additional problems at death.
The big thing is a lot of times what people assume is the cause of death (cancer) is not listed. It’s a really complex issue that is hard to explain. It’s very common for acute infection (like Covid) to cause death in a person with serious chronic disease because the cause of death has to connect to the thing that ultimately kills you.
Sorry I’ve searched for the england articles I will carry on as I’m not out to make false claims but here’s a couple from Ireland that shows that death figures may be overstated
www.google.co.uk
www.rte.ie
COVID-19 put on death certificatesof symptomless patients: MLA
The Health Minister Robin Swann is looking into claims some people in the Western Trust may have had COVID-19 recorded on their death certificates despite having died from other causes.
www.google.co.uk
Excess deaths 'substantially' less than Covid figures
Excess deaths in Ireland from March to June were "substantially" less than the officially reported Covid-19 figures, analysis from the Health Information and Quality Authority has found.
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Our laws were actually changed back in March so that doctors could certify Covid deaths even if they had not seen the body/patient previously and whether or not the patient had been tested for the virus! And if a death certificate lists Covid as the cause, no post mortem is needed to confirm. There are actually scientists frustrated and concerned at the lack of postmortems on Covid patients which would allow them to study the disease through the tissues.
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GPs can certify death without attending under new emergency legislation
The Coronavirus Act, which was passed by Parliament yesterday and is law as of today, means it is now possible for GPs to certify death without physically attending.
Lack of post-mortems hampering fight against coronavirus, warn experts
Exclusive: Only a few dozen medical post-mortems have been carried out leading to a shortage of tissues for scientists working on ways to combat the virus
Cheers for that
I just find it slightly astonishing that we can label a persons death a Covid death without even seeing them before just based on circumstantial evidence! Most elderly patients go into respiratory distress at end of life unfortunately and I would hate to think that’s all it takes for it to be labelled as Covid - this causes massive distress for the families but also real harm to the care home they may have been in! There was a case I saw today where three people at a care home were labelled as a Covid death despite the home having no cases, then being regularly tested and all of them on end of life care due to other issues
Ariel1986
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Cheers for that
Exactly. It skews any data in my mind.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
This is a little older but was kicking around in my brain as you all were beating down @wdisney9000 for his wrong think.
Review of death records results in 67 additions to Delaware's coronavirus death count
About 75% of the new deaths were at a long-term care facility, according to the death records. How did they go unnoticed?
www.delawareonline.com
Nine negative tests counted as Covid deaths. 26 untested but probable. I’m sure this is an anomaly, or a lie, or meaningless, or whatever.
Jrb1979
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I realize many of you who argue that it's not that bad just want to get things back to normal. We all do and no one is saying to go into lockdown again. Where I live we are still on stage 2 and we have had less then 200 daily cases for 3 weeks now. Everything is open minus our theme parks and indoor seating at restaurants. It saddens me to see so many of you trying to put a positive spin on every number that comes out. Why can't we continue social distancing and wearing masks til things get better? Everyone wants to open businesses again but it feels like many don't want to do the work to make it safe to do so.
don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to minimise anything - all I am saying is that there are numerous things wrong with statistics which mean you always have to look at them with a critical head and try not to compare them with other countries and even states due to how they are reported and how much testing has been done - for example I know in much of Europe there is very little testing going on except in areas where there are known spikes whereas in uk we are still mass testing and ramping it up even more with a capacity of over 300,000 tests a day - of course we are going to find more positives than an are doing 50,000!
I’m still really nervous about doing things - I won’t go to a pub and a reluctant to go to a restaurant even so not being blasé about things - we have booked to head over to Belgium for a 4 night break in two weeks and I’m really nervous mainly for the fact I don’t think is English will get a very warm welcome due to the way our response has been perceived aboard
- I want everything to get back to normal but also scared of when it does!
Chi84
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I’ve been following these boards for sometime now and very few people here try to put a positive spin on anything. Doesn’t matter what it is. There have been many posts exaggerating both the number of people infected and the contagiousness of the virus - I guess they must think doing so will scare people into taking it more seriously. Who knows why people post what they do.
And why do people keep posting that there is a pandemic? Is there anyone out there who doesn’t know that yet?
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Casper Gutman
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Everyone is scared. This situation is scary. But dealing with the fear by trying to pretend the scary thing isn't there, by attacking people who are responding to the fear more rationally by taking precautions, is really awful. There will always be people, like a certain former reporter with the initials AB, who are happy to profit off the desire to make the scary thing go away. But refusing to acknowledge the broad strokes of the bad situation is an absolutely guaranteed way to prolong it, to prolong the suffering.
There is a terrible pandemic raging across the world in general and America specifically. We need to take precautions to attempt to contain it. The sooner we do, the sooner normalcy can return, and the sooner EVERYONE can go back to WDW.
There is a terrible pandemic raging across the world in general and America specifically. We need to take precautions to attempt to contain it. The sooner we do, the sooner normalcy can return, and the sooner EVERYONE can go back to WDW.
GoofGoof
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In the other thread where the people banned from this thread post now there was a several page debate with a handful of people insisting that this is no longer an epidemic. They were serious too. So there’s that...but I know that’s not what you meant
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