Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Rider]

As the Virus Surged, Florida Partied. Tracking the Revelers Has Been Tough. (Published 2020)

With the coronavirus exploding, trying to trace the contacts of every positive case has become unrealistic in Florida, especially among elusive partygoers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[kong1802]

Interesting because this data says its essentially flat for Florida/Texas and a slight tick for Arizona.

The Covid-19 Tracker

As the virus that causes Covid-19 spreads worldwide, this dashboard offers a snapshot of confirmed cases by geographic location. Click a country name to get a more detailed geographic breakdown at the state, province, or county level. Learn more.

www.statnews.com

Looking at that, unless I'm missing the option, it looks flat because total case count is such a large spread on the y axis.

Is there a way to put death total on y axis and daily count on x axis on this site?

 

[GoofGoof]

Good chance? What does that mean? And based on what? Florida is surging right now and people may want to reconsider traveling there from out of state. But no need to exaggerate.

If you assume that the testing represented a statistically relevant random sample of all people in FL then 15% of the people are positive right now. We all know that the testing is not random so it’s hard to say what percent of people are actually infected (most likely under 15%). The point is that even if it was 15% I’d say that’s not accurately characterized as “a good chance”. The other factor is that guests will be wearing masks and social distancing so their chances of getting sick is probably lower than the average person not doing those things. On the flip side the people testing positive during this peak in cases skews towards the 18-34 demographic and that is one of the primary demographics for CMs. When you visit WDW there will be infected CMs working at the resorts and parks while you are there. It’s almost statistically impossible for there not to be. Both CMs and guests will have masks on so that should mitigate some of the risk.

I would say a more accurate statement would be that if you travel to FL during the current surge in cases and if you visit a theme park you are more likely to get infected than if you stay home and don’t do those things. How much more likely isn’t really possible to determine. I am assuming that anyone who plans to go to WDW already knows this and has factored it into their decision to go.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

hmmm

 

[Rider]

'We'll be living with masks for years': COVID-19 through the eyes of a pandemic expert

Since the summer of 2019, I've been speaking with one of the world's leading pandemic experts about what a global outbreak could look like. Now, as the world enters a grim new phase, he says we're in a whole new ball game.

www.cnet.com

 

[mickeymiss]

Just to put this out there and to think about it for a minute. For those that are going to Disney soon you probably have a good chance of getting Covid even with all the measures in place. I'm not saying for you not to go. My health is more important then some vacation at this point.

That is highly inappropriate and baseless. There is zero proof to your claim and trying to scare people like that is cold.

 

[Horizons '83]

Looking at that, unless I'm missing the option, it looks flat because total case count is such a large spread on the y axis.

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Is there a way to put death total on y axis and daily count on x axis on this site?

Yes there is, you just click on the daily instead of 2 week average. You can also hover over each day and see the totals. Though looking at daily numbers doesn't really give you the whole picture. I believe they have a 5 day average too.

 

[mickeymiss]

If you assume that the testing represented a statistically relevant random sample of all people in FL then 15% of the people are positive right now. We all know that the testing is not random so it’s hard to say what percent of people are actually infected (most likely under 15%). The point is that even if it was 15% I’d say that’s not accurately characterized as “a good chance”. The other factor is that guests will be wearing masks and social distancing so their chances of getting sick is probably lower than the average person not doing those things. On the flip side the people testing positive during this peak in cases skews towards the 18-34 demographic and that is one of the primary demographics for CMs. When you visit WDW there will be infected CMs working at the resorts and parks while you are there. It’s almost statistically impossible for there not to be. Both CMs and guests will have masks on so that should mitigate some of the risk.

I would say a more accurate statement would be that if you travel to FL during the current surge in cases and if you visit a theme park you are more likely to get infected than if you stay home and don’t do those things. How much more likely isn’t really possible to determine. I am assuming that anyone who plans to go to WDW already knows this and has factored it into their decision to go.

I agree. Masks should mitigate almost all of the risk because I still have not heard anywhere that people wearing masks all day for their jobs (i.e. grocery workers) are part of any surge. There might be an isolated case among staff here or there but that could be true for wide open Universal. If they had a covid problem, there would be a disruption in the parks and I've heard nothing of the sort. It appears to be running smoothly. I don't know for sure if we are going in August but we plan on being absurdly careful and will stay home for 2 weeks when we return.

 

[disneygeek90]

'We'll be living with masks for years': COVID-19 through the eyes of a pandemic expert

Since the summer of 2019, I've been speaking with one of the world's leading pandemic experts about what a global outbreak could look like. Now, as the world enters a grim new phase, he says we're in a whole new ball game.

www.cnet.com

"Whenever there's been an opportunity to do the right thing, we seem to have done the wrong thing."

I think that sums us up pretty well.

 

[GoofGoof]

I agree. Masks should mitigate almost all of the risk because I still have not heard anywhere that people wearing masks all day for their jobs (i.e. grocery workers) are part of any surge. There might be an isolated case among staff here or there but that could be true for wide open Universal. If they had a covid problem, there would be a disruption in the parks and I've heard nothing of the sort. It appears to be running smoothly. I don't know for sure if we are going in August but we plan on being absurdly careful and will stay home for 2 weeks when we return.

I think that makes sense. I cancelled my trip in August to WDW but if I did go I’d probably either quarantine like you said or more likely just go and get the family tested when I get back. It’s still a higher risk than not going and I’d hate to think I could have infected someone else upon returning. I wouldn’t want my kids to have to be stuck at home for 2 weeks so probably easier to just get tested and know for sure.

 

[Rider]

That is highly inappropriate and baseless. There is zero proof to your claim and trying to scare people like that is cold.

You should be scared. This is a deadly virus that is highly contagious. Anytime you go out in public there is a higher chance of catching Covid.

I think the nature of many Disney attractions puts them into the same group as indoor restaurants, casinos or bars. What's the difference between spending time indoors at the Land pavilion doing all those activities vs being at a casino? How is queuing for Rise or Space Mountain different than spending time at a restaurant? All confined spaces with nice AC units to spread the air around.

It's at least a lot riskier than a Six Flags where they have limited indoor areas.

 

[GoofGoof]

You should be scared. This is a deadly virus that is highly contagious. Anytime you go out in public there is a higher chance of catching Covid.

I think the nature of many Disney attractions puts them into the same group as indoor restaurants, casinos or bars. What's the difference between spending time indoors at the Land pavilion doing all those activities vs being at a casino? How is queuing for Rise or Space Mountain different than spending time at a restaurant? All confined spaces with nice AC units to spread the air around.

It's at least a lot riskier than a Six Flags where they have limited indoor areas.

Hopefully the masks make it safer. The biggest problem with indoor dining and bars is nobody is wearing masks. I agree outdoor is much safer overall.

 

[Andrew C]

You should be scared. This is a deadly virus that is highly contagious. Anytime you go out in public there is a higher chance of catching Covid.

The post was still baseless. And I remember some around here crying about others spreading misinformation.

 

[mickeymiss]

I think that makes sense. I cancelled my trip in August to WDW but if I did go I’d probably either quarantine like you said or more likely just go and get the family tested when I get back. It’s still a higher risk than not going and I’d hate to think I could have infected someone else upon returning. I wouldn’t want my kids to have to be stuck at home for 2 weeks so probably easier to just get tested and know for sure.

My husband is considering getting tested upon return (if we go) as a precaution. He will quarantine if that is not an option. I'm a stay at home mom so we can easily quarantine. If Disney workers have access to face shields, they will have perhaps the highest available level of protection. My husband is an essential worker and works at a hospital (operating room where masks are always required even pre-covid). Surgical masks alone seem to work very well indoors. If it's as contagious as some people claim even with masks on, every state would be in serious trouble.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

And what happens with rides with longer indoor exposure with more people??? (star tours, soarin, tower, ROTR, FoP)

 

[Andrew C]

And what happens with rides with longer indoor exposure with more people??? (star tours, soarin, tower, ROTR, FoP)

Everyone runs around with their hair on fire!!!

That is where masks are most useful...when social distancing (6 feet or more) may not be possible. Although they can space out seating on these rides as well.

 

[Chi84]

My husband is considering getting tested upon return (if we go) as a precaution. He will quarantine if that is not an option. I'm a stay at home mom so we can easily quarantine. If Disney workers have access to face shields, they will have perhaps the highest available level of protection. My husband is an essential worker and works at a hospital (operating room where masks are always required even pre-covid). Surgical masks alone seem to work very well indoors. If it's as contagious as some people claim even with masks on, every state would be in serious trouble.

If it was as contagious as some people claim even without masks on every state would be in serious trouble. I’m not saying it isn’t highly contagious but some people are clearly overstating it.

 

[Touchdown]

47 out 50 states are seeing an increase in cases in the last 14 days. How much trouble does the US need to be in before you acknowledge reality?

 

[DCBaker]

"BlogMickey.com has learned that Palmas Restaurant Group has decided to layoff some of its hourly and managerial Cast Members. Palmas Restaurant Group operates a number of third-party dining locations in the Mexico Pavilion at EPCOT including San Angel Inn, La Cantina De San Angel, La Cava Del Tequilla and Choza de Margarita."

"In a statement to BlogMickey.com, a company spokesperson said that Palmas Restaurant Group found it necessary to layoff some of its hourly and managerial cast members due to extended closures and a loss of business resulting from the COVID-19 pandemic. As of publish time, it’s unknown how many Cast Members have been laid off.

“This decision was not taken lightly. The company did everything in its power to avoid a layoff scenario, including extending paid furloughs and medical coverage for as long as was economically feasible despite the mandatory closure of restaurant operations”, a company spokesperson told BlogMickey.com. “We are confident that business levels will one day return to pre-pandemic levels, although the timeline remains uncertain.”

EPCOT Mexico Pavilion Restaurants and Bars Layoff Cast Members

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blogmickey.com

 

[willtravel]

I think that makes sense. I cancelled my trip in August to WDW but if I did go I’d probably either quarantine like you said or more likely just go and get the family tested when I get back. It’s still a higher risk than not going and I’d hate to think I could have infected someone else upon returning. I wouldn’t want my kids to have to be stuck at home for 2 weeks so probably easier to just get tested and know for sure.

I do not know or understand all the in's and out's of this virus but when you get back from vaca , would you get tested right away? Does this virus show up that quickly even after say a week of waiting before test?