Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[CaptainAmerica]

I am in good health and run 20-25 miles a week. Maybe if I get Covid it probably won't kill me, but it might give me complications that will ruin the first sentence that I just wrote and to me that's a pretty stupid thing to risk over going to an amusement park.

Yeah that's not true. The whole "this is going to completely pulverize your lungs" is BS. That's even rarer than dying from it.

 

[milordsloth]

I am in good health and run 20-25 miles a week. Maybe if I get Covid it probably won't kill me, but it might give me complications that will ruin the first sentence that I just wrote and to me that's a pretty stupid thing to risk over going to an amusement park.

Then don't go to the theme park. That does not mean the theme park should not be allowed to open.

 

[legwand77]

You should really cite your sources. The numbers are problematic:

"As of Thursday, 86% of current inpatient beds and 88% of ICU beds were in use for COVID-19 and other patients. Ducey said hospitals could hit surge capacity "very soon," as Arizona deals with one of the worst spikes of COVID-19 in the country. "

Arizona reports more than 3,400 additional COVID-19 increases day after Ducey pleads for Arizonans to stay home

Arizona reported more than 3,000 new cases five of the last eight days. Hospitalizations show drop in latest state report.

www.azcentral.com

Did you read the article you linked? It clearly says

Inpatient beds, ventilators in use and ICU beds in use all dropped Thursday

also

Hospital discharge numbers reached their highest levels since the state began reporting the data in early April. There were 250 suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients discharged from hospitals Thursday, the most so far

Regardless, I get my data from the Arizona Department of Health Site. It is all on a nice dashboard there.

 

[wdwmagic]

Then don't go to the theme park. That does not mean the theme park should not be allowed to open.

But what about the Cast Members?

 

[lilypgirl]

I guess nobody bothered to watch the Fauci Dr Birx presser today.

They watched but they weren’t calling for shut downs and closures so they have decided that they are both compromised now and can’t be trusted!

 

[Miss Bella]

First of all they aren't essential and 2 they draw crowds which with rising cases would be a good idea to delay opening.

There essential to the people that need a paycheck.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

Then don't go to the theme park. That does not mean the theme park should not be allowed to open.

I won't and I hope they close to help people from themselves. If men were angels, and all that...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But what about the Cast Members?

Who cares? They are all so poor they HAVE to work so that I can ride dumbo and then get a dole whip. (I’m being sarcastic, unlike others that seem to genuinely believe this).

 

[Miss Bella]

Is someone forcing you
They watched but they weren’t calling for shut downs and closures so they have decided that they are both compromised now and can’t be trusted!
[/QUOTE]
....no more love for President Fauci. People are so fickle.

 

[durangojim]

Yeah that's not true. The whole "this is going to completely pulverize your lungs" is BS. That's even rarer than dying from it.

Never in my life have I seen more cases of pneumonia, especially bilateral pneumonia, in otherwise healthy individuals in their 30s-50s. So I guess it depends on how you define "pulverize your lungs". I consider tissue necrosis due to microthrombi on par with pulverization. Fortunately I'm in Michigan so we've been pretty good for a while now.

 

[DCBaker]

More clarification on the alcohol order -

"The Department of Business and Professional Regulation issued an emergency order on Friday suspending the sale of alcohol for on-premise consumption at bars, or businesses that “derive more than 50 percent of gross revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages.”

Those businesses are allowed to continue selling alcohol in sealed containers to be consumed off-premises."

"A tweet from Secretary Beshears says taprooms and breweries are included in the emergency order."

"According to the emergency order, restaurants are not impacted. They will still be allowed to sell food and drinks to be consumed on-premises."

Alcohol consumption suspended at Florida bars due to ‘widespread non-compliance’ amid coronavirus spike

Alcohol consumption has been suspended at all bars throughout the State of Florida as coronavirus cases continue to increase.

t.co

 

[CaptainAmerica]

But what about the Cast Members?

That's the winning argument. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the "other guests" argument, but I don't know how to respond to the "what about the employees..." argument.

I haven't seen it proposed by anyone, but I'd support a law that protects employees who choose not to return to work for the duration of the pandemic, similar to protections required for maternity leave or jury duty.

 

[milordsloth]

But what about the Cast Members?

I think Disney is doing what they can to keep everyone safe. If they feel they are at risk, they should be allowed to choose to stay home.

 

[GoofGoof]

But what about the Cast Members?

We don’t care about them anymore. We cared last month when they were at risk to commit suicidal from being on unemployment because caring about them then got us what we wanted. Now that their well being stands between Me and a dole whip too bad. If they are scared of a virus they can just quit. Nobody is forcing them to work there.

 

[Miss Bella]

That's the winning argument. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the "other guests" argument, but I don't know how to respond to the "what about the employees..." argument.

I haven't seen it proposed by anyone, but I'd support a law that protects employees who choose not to return to work for the duration of the pandemic, similar to protections required for maternity leave or jury duty.

Huh I’m an RN will I get the same protection. I thought we were all in this together.

 

[Andrew C]

Who cares? They are all so poor they HAVE to work so that I can ride dumbo and then get a dole whip. (I’m being sarcastic, unlike others that seem to genuinely believe this).

As opposed to grocery store workers who we are fine risking their safety because we need food so tough for them. “You must work because we need your services.” Your reward for risking your safety? A low wage paycheck. Congrats!

This is why i think the whole “essential-nonessential” thing is nonsense.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Never in my life have I seen more cases of pneumonia, especially bilateral pneumonia, in otherwise health individuals in their 30s-50s. So I guess it depends on how you define "pulverize your lungs". I consider tissue necrosis due to microthrombi on par with pulverization. Fortunately I'm in Michigan so we've been pretty good for a while now.

It's a question of whether we should focus on the numerator or denominator.

Scenario A: 999 people are fine, 1 person is sick.
Scenario B: 997 people are fine, 3 people are sick.

From the perspective of the population, you went from a 99.9% chance of being healthy to a 99.7% chance of being healthy... basically no change in your personal risk. From the perspective of healthcare workers, their workload just tripled.

 

[legwand77]

I agree. I think it’s pretty obvious by now that bars were a major source of the spread, especially some of the ones opened with little restriction. I don’t know why some people want to point to other things and ignore that when the obvious is right in front of you. When the story about the bar in Jacksonville was brought up here people insisted it was fake news or questionable. I think now that we’ve seen multiple similar stories it’s pretty hard to make that argument. Hopefully today’s pull back and a future statewide mask mandate will reverse recent trends and the re-opening can be brought back on track.

Well the Jacksonville one was questionable and still is to many. Since in your opinion bars are a major source then Disney should be fine to open.

 

[disneygeek90]

Bad move, selling alcohol to go more drinking and driving..

What? What this does is allow breweries and bars to continue to sell off premise. Growlers/bottled beer etc. This is no different than buying alcohol at Publix and driving home, and was the same condition back in April and May.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As opposed to grocery store workers who we are fine risking their safety because we need food so tough for them. “You must work because we need your services.” Your reward for risking your safety? A low wage paycheck. Congrats!

This is why i think the whole “essential-nonessential” thing is nonsense.

Ideally grocery stores would adapt and not put their employees at such risk. Force masks in the store, and encourage drive up to go orders. I tried to get milk at the drive thru at Walgreens the other day and was told “we don’t do that anymore”