Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"Major League Baseball’s first known coronavirus outbreak has occurred at the Phillies’ spring-training facility in Clearwater, Fla. Five players and three staff members have tested positive for COVID-19, the Phillies said in a statement Friday, confirming an NBC Sports Philadelphia report, with the first confirmed case occurring June 16."

"The names of the infected people -- which extends to family members (adults and children), according to a source, who weren’t counted in the Phillies’ stated tally -- have not been released due to medical privacy law. It’s not believed that any of the people have required hospitalization, the source said.
Eight staff members have tested negative, according to the team, while 32 others (20 players, including minor leaguers, and 12 staff members) are still awaiting their test results."

All facilities in Clearwater have been closed indefinitely to all players, coaches and staff and will remain closed until medical authorities are confident that the virus is under control and our facilities are disinfected.

5 Phillies players, 3 staff members at Clearwater training facility test positive for coronavirus

Major League Baseball’s first known coronavirus outbreak has occurred at the Phillies’ spring-training facility in Clearwater, Fla. Five players and three staff members have tested positive for COVID-19.

www.inquirer.com

The Tampa Bay Lightning have temporarily closed their training facilities after several players and staffers test positive for COVID-19

Lightning shut down facility after positive tests

The Lightning have temporarily closed their training facility after an outbreak of the coronavirus.

t.co

The blue jays shut Dunedin too...because of cross contamination with Phillies personal.

I honestly don't see the NBA plan coming to fruition.

No way

 

[oceanbreeze77]

The blue jays shut Dunedin too...because of cross contamination with Phillies personal.

No way

I just don't see Passing around sweaty basketballs as a preventative measure.

 

[hopemax]

Eventually, it will be mandatory everywhere, but most likely not enforced. I guess I just don't understand people's reluctance on wearing one. Is a pride thing? A sign of weakness? A disbelief that they are effective or doing anything to help?

Like all the divisions in this country, it's political. The original February "Even though we believe the virus is real, we believe the overreaction by Democrats is a hoax to make the administration look bad." March / April's Europe & NYC numbers temporarily scared people into compliance. Once those numbers decreased, and it went back to being a more invisible threat... People are using masks as shorthand to demonstrate which side they are on, and recent events have only intensified the need for some people to visibly push back.

But same as it ever was, virus doesn't care. Unfortunately, since we know data doesn't effectively change people's minds, all the studies on effectiveness, hospitalization rates, or death rates won't mean much as long as people don't see people in their circle affected.

 

[Horizons '83]

Like all the divisions in this country, it's political. The original February "Even though we believe the virus is real, we believe the overreaction by Democrats is a hoax to make the administration look bad." March / April's Europe & NYC numbers temporarily scared people into compliance. Once those numbers decreased, and it went back to being a more invisible threat... People are using masks as shorthand to demonstrate which side they are on, and recent events have only intensified the need for some people to visibly push back.

But same as it ever was, virus doesn't care. Unfortunately, since we know data doesn't effectively change people's minds, all the studies on effectiveness, hospitalization rates, or death rates won't mean much as long as people don't see people in their circle affected.

It's become political, but I think it comes down to stubbornness and selfishness. I don't care what political affiliation the public has, data and common sense say, wear a mask. Oh well. I don't like to wear one, I won't be going to WDW because of that, but I certainly do when I run into a store for something.

 

[legwand77]

to clarify I mean, if someone gets the virus, it takes longer than 14 days for them to get sick enough to seek help. Which is why the may crowds/reopenings are the results we are seeing now.

Not true timeline to hospitalization, if you get that sick, is on average 5 to 10 days.

Why Days 5 to 10 Are So Important When You Have Coronavirus (Published 2020)

Tracking your daily symptoms can help you and your doctors make better decisions about whether a hospital visit is needed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[hopemax]

The average is 5-6 days. Min 2, max 14. Memorial Day was 26 days ago. Mother's Day was 40 days ago.

covid incubation period - Google Search

www.google.com

You also have to build in some iteration times to really see the effects. The first iteration of viral spread won't register a blip, without major contact tracing / testing. To see community spread, it takes a few 5-day infection cycles. We don't really know how much "build up" it takes before the virus gets enough community spread momentum to be a problem.

 

[legwand77]

Where's our task force? Why can't we know what patterns they see in cases and transmission? If bars are the problem in Florida, work on that. Manufacturing, nursing homes, etc. We have been left in complete darkness about what they are observing about the virus. We should all be united in wanting to know what they've been up to these past few weeks. They know something. They interview those who become infected and can often trace things back. Let us know what you know so we can understand. Otherwise it feels like drive-by fear when there's usually much more going on that they could discuss.

Desantis just gave a briefing addressing exactly the things you mentioned, and Florida is much more transparent about data than most states. It is all here https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/

There isn't a big conspiracy

 

[legwand77]

You also have to build in some iteration times to really see the effects. The first iteration of viral spread won't register a blip, without major contact tracing / testing. To see community spread, it takes a few 5-day infection cycles. We don't really know how much "build up" it takes before the virus gets enough community spread momentum to be a problem.

ah yes the two more weeks....we have already had 3 interations from Memorial, 8 since Mother's Day how many more do we need?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Yikes

 

[legwand77]

Yikes

data without context can be considered stunning. 7500 people will die today in the US

 

[DCBaker]

A coalition of unions representing 17,000 Disneyland cast members have sent a letter demanding that California Gov. Gavin Newsom stop Disney’s Anaheim theme parks from reopening on July 17 out of concern for employee safety.

“Disney wants clearance from the government to reopen the Disneyland Resort in July,” according to the letter from the Coalition of Resort Labor Unions. “Unfortunately, despite intensive talks with the company, we are not yet convinced that it is safe to reopen the parks on Disney’s rapid timetable.”

Disneyland employee unions demand that the Anaheim theme parks not reopen on July 17

The Coalition of Resort Labor Unions wants Disney to delay reopening the theme parks, hotels and shopping mall at the Disneyland resort until it can be done safely in a way that protects the health…

www.ocregister.com

 

[Horizons '83]

data without context can be considered stunning

Yep this pandemic has made “journalists” lazy. Context is everything, particularly in Covid’s case.

 

[Rider]

Yikes

data without context can be considered stunning. 7500 people will die today in the US

Yep this pandemic has made “journalists” lazy. Context is everything, particularly in Covid’s case.

 

[Horizons '83]

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I'm not saying its fine, but when headlines read catastrophic everyday you get the boy who cried wolf situation. Provide more details then a pathetic tweet with 2 numbers on it. That's all I am saying.

 

[legwand77]

I'm not saying its fine, but when headlines read catastrophic everyday you get the boy who cried wolf situation. Provide more details then a pathetic tweet with 2 numbers on it. That's all I am saying.

Plus looking at the azhealth site official numbers, he did his math wrong on his reporting the number, it is not that high, it is actually 9.5%

Some of this is getting bad as yelling fire in a crowded theater

 

[Horizons '83]

Plus looking at the azhealth site official numbers, he did his math wrong on his reporting the number, it is not that high.

This is what frustrates me. Either way, under-reporting or over-reporting is unacceptable. They just want to be the first to report anything so they don't fact check.

 

[MisterPenguin]

data without context can be considered stunning. 7500 people will die today in the US

And a percentage of them are increasingly found in Arizona and decreasingly found in NY which demonstrates which tactics save lives and which put them at risk.

Here's your context...

 

[legwand77]

And a percentage of them are increasingly found in Arizona and decreasingly found in NY which demonstrates which tactics save lives and which put them at risk.

The classic correlation does not mean causation

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's become political, but I think it comes down to stubbornness and selfishness. I don't care what political affiliation the public has, data and common sense say, wear a mask. Oh well. I don't like to wear one, I won't be going to WDW because of that, but I certainly do when I run into a store for something.

...If you’ll look way back to when this started...you’ll find it was political on day one.

...and typically...one side was dead right and one was dead wrong.

And the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The classic correlation does not mean causation

Nothing about those charts are “good”

And the sky is green...and the seas are red.