Politics Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Rider

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Current UofW model has projected 18,000 deaths in FL by 10/1. But the uncertainty range is from 8,000-55,000.

The model also shows the all the FL ICU beds full around when Disney reopens in a couple weeks.
 

legwand77

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what do you think happens to all of the people who are being admitted to the hospital right now?
How long does that take?

Taking action now is the responsible thing to do.
How many people above normal admissions are being admitted into the hospital right now due to Covid in this "dramatic" spike?
 

legwand77

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Current UofW model has projected 18,000 deaths in FL by 10/1. But the uncertainty range is from 8,000-55,000.

The model also shows the all the FL ICU beds full around when Disney reopens in a couple weeks.

That range though....

not going to make any comment on that "model"
 

Clyde Birdbrain

Unknown Member
Florida reported a new record of 3,822 new COVID-19 cases today:


Italy had 6,600 cases on its worst day on 21 March before cases started going down. That was almost 2 weeks after the start of their national lockdown.

Italy's population (60 million) is almost 3 times that of Florida (21 million), so Florida's cases right now are far worse than Italy on its worst day and we're opening things up and wearing masks has turned into a political issue.

If this continues I don't see how Disney World is opening up in 3 weeks.
 

Seanual757

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Have things gone well at the Springs? Operationally yes, but record high number of cases every day this past week - and still climbing.

Yes the Springs have the T-Rex issue was out of Disney's control and the management and owners of T-Rex need to be held accountable if they were aware the worker was sick, and if the worker actually knew he was sick should be fired period.

Yes cases are up and when you see people walking around without masks you can see why the cases are up. They need to enforce the no mask rule kick people out of any establishment if they do not have one.

At Costco it's mandatory you have a mask if not one will be provides if you do not want to wear one you are asked to leave. It's not that hard, Publix, Walmart, malls, ect.... can do the same thing.
 

TJ Vazquez

Premium Member
In the Parks
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Yes the Springs have the T-Rex issue was out of Disney's control and the management and owners of T-Rex need to be held accountable if they were aware the worker was sick, and if the worker actually knew he was sick should be fired period.

Yes cases are up and when you see people walking around without masks you can see why the cases are up. They need to enforce the no mask rule kick people out of any establishment if they do not have one.

At Costco it's mandatory you have a mask if not one will be provides if you do not want to wear one you are asked to leave. It's not that hard, Publix, Walmart, malls, ect.... can do the same thing.
Eventually, it will be mandatory everywhere, but most likely not enforced. I guess I just don't understand people's reluctance on wearing one. Is a pride thing? A sign of weakness? A disbelief that they are effective or doing anything to help?
 

mickeymiss

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Yes the Springs have the T-Rex issue was out of Disney's control and the management and owners of T-Rex need to be held accountable if they were aware the worker was sick, and if the worker actually knew he was sick should be fired period.

Yes cases are up and when you see people walking around without masks you can see why the cases are up. They need to enforce the no mask rule kick people out of any establishment if they do not have one.

At Costco it's mandatory you have a mask if not one will be provides if you do not want to wear one you are asked to leave. It's not that hard, Publix, Walmart, malls, ect.... can do the same thing.

How do we know if cases are up due to mass protesting or even broad outbreak contact tracing that yields a bunch of asymptomatic people? That's happening in my small state once a week where most of the cases are coming from one place.. This is hardly a reason to derail SAFE opening plans. Bars need to recalibrate, sure, but many businesses have comprehensive safety plans. Disney being exceedingly cautious in my view.
 

MisterPenguin

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Premium Member
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Florida's death rate is like the optical illusion of stairs going down in a circle but never actually goes down.

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Rider

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How do we know if cases are up due to mass protesting or even broad outbreak contact tracing that yields a bunch of asymptomatic people? That's happening in my small state once a week where most of the cases are coming from one place.. This is hardly a reason to derail SAFE opening plans. Bars need to recalibrate, sure, but many businesses have comprehensive safety plans. Disney being exceedingly cautious in my view.
To your first question you can look up data for those states with major protests and see. For example: MINNESOTA cases continue their downward trend: https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html

I agree that Disney is doing the right stuff. I feel much safer at Disney Springs than at the restaurants down the block from me. If everyone behaved like Disney this wouldn't be an issue and we could be talking about better things.
 

DCBaker

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"Major League Baseball’s first known coronavirus outbreak has occurred at the Phillies’ spring-training facility in Clearwater, Fla. Five players and three staff members have tested positive for COVID-19, the Phillies said in a statement Friday, confirming an NBC Sports Philadelphia report, with the first confirmed case occurring June 16."

"The names of the infected people -- which extends to family members (adults and children), according to a source, who weren’t counted in the Phillies’ stated tally -- have not been released due to medical privacy law. It’s not believed that any of the people have required hospitalization, the source said.
Eight staff members have tested negative, according to the team, while 32 others (20 players, including minor leaguers, and 12 staff members) are still awaiting their test results."

All facilities in Clearwater have been closed indefinitely to all players, coaches and staff and will remain closed until medical authorities are confident that the virus is under control and our facilities are disinfected.


The Tampa Bay Lightning have temporarily closed their training facilities after several players and staffers test positive for COVID-19

 

oceanbreeze77

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"Major League Baseball’s first known coronavirus outbreak has occurred at the Phillies’ spring-training facility in Clearwater, Fla. Five players and three staff members have tested positive for COVID-19, the Phillies said in a statement Friday, confirming an NBC Sports Philadelphia report, with the first confirmed case occurring June 16."

"The names of the infected people -- which extends to family members (adults and children), according to a source, who weren’t counted in the Phillies’ stated tally -- have not been released due to medical privacy law. It’s not believed that any of the people have required hospitalization, the source said.
Eight staff members have tested negative, according to the team, while 32 others (20 players, including minor leaguers, and 12 staff members) are still awaiting their test results."

All facilities in Clearwater have been closed indefinitely to all players, coaches and staff and will remain closed until medical authorities are confident that the virus is under control and our facilities are disinfected.


The Tampa Bay Lightning have temporarily closed their training facilities after several players and staffers test positive for COVID-19

I honestly don't see the NBA plan coming to fruition.
 

mickeymiss

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To your first question you can look up data for those states with major protests and see. For example: MINNESOTA cases continue their downward trend: https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html

I agree that Disney is doing the right stuff. I feel much safer at Disney Springs than at the restaurants down the block from me. If everyone behaved like Disney this wouldn't be an issue and we could be talking about better things.

If daily mass protesting is verifiably not leading to spikes then Disney still has the green light to open. Outside/masks/6 feet apart/temp checks/transient environment. You can't get more cautious than what they are planning. Protests do not involve any distancing whatsoever. They also weren't all wearing masks. Some sadly were physically fighting each other and your data suggests that it still ended up being safe from a covid perspective. This looks like proof that Disney would be a million times safer than that.
 
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