CoP - rehab OR closing ???

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
So what is the updated info on what will be happening to CoP? I've read on Mouseplanet previously that they were going to give it a major rehab (not holding my breathe).

But I've also heard they are closing it (or at least making it seasonal) once Stitch opens full time.

Thanks :D
 

Shaman

Well-Known Member
KevinPage said:
So what is the updated info on what will be happening to CoP? I've read on Mouseplanet previously that they were going to give it a major rehab (not holding my breathe).

But I've also heard they are closing it (or at least making it seasonal) once Stitch opens full time.

Thanks :D
One can only hope that its updated and extensively rehabed...that way it can be open year-round, and not just seasonally...but alas...who knows what lies ahead for the CoP.
 

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
corran horn said:
I have to see I don't quite see how CoP needs to be 'updated'. Am I missing something?


Redo of the last scene, general maintenance, plus they need a more appealing exterior so people notice it's there.
 

Joevn

Member
KevinPage said:
Redo of the last scene, general maintenance, plus they need a more appealing exterior so people notice it's there.

Yeah, the fabric on the seats and carpeting really need to be changed (if they haven't in the past year) and the final scene makes some out of date references such as laser discs being the new digital media and "we've got a whole new century out there" made sense before the millennium when this scene was last updated, but not now.

Joe
 

wardrobeguy

New Member
Carousel of Progress is perhaps my favourite attraction in all of Walt Disney World for the pure cheese factor alone. I love this show but I think an update would be welcome, though... it's out of date again. The final scene's references to laser discs, virtual reality headgear, and well, just those mid-90's fashions (love Trish's new snow boots!)...

But why not overhaul the whole show? The narrative leap from the 40s to the 90s is quite a large jump. Why not start the show with the same scene, jump right to the 40s, then the 80s when computer technology began happening in people's homes, to now? That's four scenes, and each one would be vastly different in terms of what kinds technology were created to make home life and living better.

Is Carousel of Progress a living breathing thing, or a museum ride? Part of me would really miss the museum ride aspect, but perhaps a major overhaul such as this, continuing the theme, but unifying it in a better way, would give the show more impact (and a better narrative).
 

phlydude

Well-Known Member
Joevn said:
Yeah, the fabric on the seats and carpeting really need to be changed (if they haven't in the past year) and the final scene makes some out of date references such as laser discs being the new digital media and "we've got a whole new century out there" made sense before the millennium when this scene was last updated, but not now.

Joe

It appeared as though the seats were re-upholstered when I rode it back in August of this year.
 

prberk

Well-Known Member
wardrobeguy said:
Is Carousel of Progress a living breathing thing, or a museum ride? Part of me would really miss the museum ride aspect, but perhaps a major overhaul such as this, continuing the theme, but unifying it in a better way, would give the show more impact (and a better narrative).

Well, you have really hit the million-dollar question.

The fact is that this is still one of people's most favorite WDW rides, consistently. As for popularity, the only real difference between it and thrill rides, is that attendance numbers for thrill rides are skewed by repeat riders in a single day. COP is not the type of ride that you would ride repeatedly in a day, BUT it is the kind of ride that people will seek out to ride on a repeat TRIP, because it is a favorite and a signature WDW experience.

So, what to do about keeping it up to date? This has been discussed here several times, but I do think that you have hit a major point: museum or constantly updated?

My answer: it really is both. Just like the MK itself (balanced between Frontierland and Tomorrowland), I think COP should always be both. Walt loved the future and new technologies; but always looked to it with a foot in the past.

I could see several ways to update it. The idea above of updating all four scenes is intriguing. I, myself, would suggest adding an new non-moving post-show that is current and interactive, and sums up the ride -- and maybe plugs for the "dream" of EPCOT. Or move the whole thing to Epcot, and give it perspective....

Lots of possibilities, all of which could remain true to Walt's vision for the ride.
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
If the CoP will be saved, I highly doubt it will go to EPCOT Center/Epcot anytime soon, atleast in the present time.

If the CoP were to remain in WDW'S tomorrowland right where it is, then yes the CoP needs a whole new building exterior, advertisments, and promotions. It does need a sponsor! :wave: ;)

So going with the theory that the CoP will go through a rehab and live on forever and not be closed after WDW plays a roll in the DL 50th anniversary, then this is what hads got to be done:

They (management) need to make sure that the interior and mechanics of the theater and carousel bottom are in very good and presentable shape and in working order. New lighting and sound will also need to be considered.

Now we all went through the debate that the carousel of progress did in fact turn clockwise in both 1964 and 1967, and that when the current theater was built in 1975 it was presented counterclockwise. I can personally live with a counter clockwise show. It is really what is presented in the show that counts, not the direction we are moving in.

Bring back the kaleidophonic screens! These beautiful shimmering and pulsing giant lighbulb and plasma screens were housed in both the enter and exit theater, but disappeared when the CoP moved to WDW in 1975. Screw the silver curtain, bring back some brand new kaleidophonic screens! :sohappy:

Act's 1, 2, and 3 can easily be restored to what they were in 1964, beleive me that are different, but they can be restored. Also new AA's must be taken into consideration, espically one's that physically look like the 1964 ones, the current ones are somewhat different in physical facail appearenes.

A new cast will have to be hired to read a new script. They can easily bring back the sound effects and background noises of the original 1964 carousel of progress. They can also read from the 1964 script, with maybe slight changes. The current script has many changes since 1964.

Now on to Act IV. I personally don't feel act four needs to be updated. If we update to 2010 or 2020 we will have a much bigger gap from 1940 and that is just plain rediculous. Because we don't have the room in tomorrowland we can't present a longer and more extened show that can give us 1900, 1920, 1940, 1960, 1980, 2000 and 'tomorrow'. Dealing with 4 acts with a 20 minute show will have to due. If we can bring back the original ending of christmas 1960 there are many benefits to this:

The show will not have to be udpated with time and money, and we won't need a new cast.

The show will be closely presented to what it was at the world's fair.

The show will closely resemble walt disney's original ideas and creations after all it is his most favorte ride.

The show would also fit in with celebration of disneyland's 50th, because the CoP was very close to what it was at the world's fair.

The show would fit in with the rest of tomorrowland. A juels vern exterior but a show that not only gives us a relationship with walt disney, but the theme of tomorrowland : the future that never was or never truly became. CHirstmas 1960 was a very good ending. It was optimistic, futursitic for the space age, but set a time when the dawn of total modern age became true, and I feel that is proper to once again end the show with Christmas 1960.

If we update the show to a future year, we not only loose 'something' from the show, but like someone suggested I feel it is not right to destory the first three acts and make them different years. They are all we have e;lft from the famous 1964 world's fair. We can't let that be lost. We are so blessed to have this great and unique attraction here in WDW. Let's make it better with technology standpoints, but staying to true to its original form. :wave:
 

General Grizz

New Member
The last I heard was it would go down seasonally according to the MK master calendar, but I so far see no indication. I *better* see it when I go in early December... :(

Anyway, CoP should be at WDW and updated. It was never meant to be a museum - or sent to one!
 

pilka214

Active Member
yah my perspective on this is they do indeed need to update the last scene for now its located in TOMORROWland so honestly if it goes from the turn of the century to...... well 2 years ago it doesnt deal much with tomorrow. i think they sould put a robot maid in and a huge plasma tv with instead of "digital disks" they use mini memory cards, which is of course the next big form of multimedia plus its cheaper. and i agree the outside of the ride needs a major fix up. it is just blah.... it needs to stick out.
 

corran horn

Well-Known Member
KevinPage said:
Redo of the last scene, general maintenance, plus they need a more appealing exterior so people notice it's there.

I get the rest, but I don't see what's wrong with the last scene. Do you feel it's dated?
 

NemoRocks78

Seized
General Grizz said:
The last I heard was it would go down seasonally according to the MK master calendar, but I so far see no indication. I *better* see it when I go in early December... :(

Anyway, CoP should be at WDW and updated. It was never meant to be a museum - or sent to one!

Is there an official date for it to "go down?" SGE does open tomorrow...
 

Figment1986

Well-Known Member
The last scene is a bit dated... They can fix it up a little.... with a sponsor like sony, microsoft, or apple... :lookaroun imagine the posibilities...
 

TTATraveler

Active Member
I like the idea of Sony picking up sponsorship. They could showcase their LCD TVs, digital cameras, and such. I think Dell would also be a good sponsor, but probably won't happen due to HP/Compaq sponsorships.
 

trdisneyfan

New Member
They should double-decker CoP. 1900 thru 1950 on level 1, 1950 thru the present on level 2.

HA!:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, I think it would make sense to rehab the middle scenes of the ride every 10-15 years, and make slight modifications/updates to the last scene every 2-3 years to keep up with current technology. I think it could still make plenty of narrative sense to have the scenes more evenly spread out, but with a lot more time passing between them.
 

Woody13

New Member
IMO, there is only one way to save CoP. Leave the show alone, but change the name of the attraction to "Tomorrowland Time Machine". The theme of the show would then be that you are traveling back in time to witness the practical application of several electrical inventions of the 20th century prior to the advent of modern crystalic fusion.

However, I doubt this will be adopted. Look for CoP to shut down permanently in 2006.
 

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