Connections Cafe and Eatery

TheEPCOTHistorian

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In the Parks
Yes
I’ve been very pleased at the finishing details here. A rare win for Epcot. Certainly better than Electric Umbrella was. I’m sure it’s too much to ask them to play the Innoventions loop in Connections.
I always say it, but Millenium Epcot was awful aside from IROE and Tapestry. While this overhaul is *interesting*, it's not bad. The millenium was much more destructive of original Epcot than this.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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I always say it, but Millenium Epcot was awful aside from IROE and Tapestry. While this overhaul is *interesting*, it's not bad. The millenium was much more destructive of original Epcot than this.
It’s interesting that both the Tomorrowland overhaul and Epcot overhaul seem to be focused largely on reversing the previous changes, and they both look better so far. Tomorrowland is still a bit of a Frankenstein with some old elements and some new elements intertwined but I love the clean retro look.
 

TikibirdLand

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I’ve been very pleased at the finishing details here. A rare win for Epcot. Certainly better than Electric Umbrella was. I’m sure it’s too much to ask them to play the Innoventions loop in Connections. I’d also accept the classic entrance loop.
I personally loved Electric Umbrella (not that awful awning headed to the pin-trading station). Complain about that purple walls all you want. But, it made the area quieter than it would have been otherwise. The upstairs area was a rare respite where I could let the kids rest before heading back to the Poly. I liked the neon too. But, I get that it might be too "90s" for y'all. But, we liked it.

The new shop looks interesting. But, let's reserve judgement until it's actually open.
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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In the Parks
Yes
What!? Connections isn't built in a 'temporary' *wink* structure in between two other attractions?! They just don't understand Epcot anymore!
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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In the Parks
Yes
In case anyone needs a reminder... of how dreadful Electric Umbrella was:


Thank you! Anything after Epcot '95 was far more destructive to the park's legacy than the current overhaul. I feel like no one realizes the millenium celebration played a huge role in killing EPCOT Center. Innoventions destroyed the roofline and paint scheme of CommuniCore, Leave a Legacy turned the entrance plaza into a graveyard, the WAND was... the wand, just to name a few. The current overhaul isn't perfect, but it upholds the park's values better than previous reimaginings.
 

Disney Analyst

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Thank you! Anything after Epcot '95 was far more destructive to the park's legacy than the current overhaul. I feel like no one realizes the millenium celebration played a huge role in killing EPCOT Center. Innoventions destroyed the roofline and paint scheme of CommuniCore, Leave a Legacy turned the entrance plaza into a graveyard, the WAND was... the wand, just to name a few. The current overhaul isn't perfect, but it upholds the park's values better than previous reimaginings.

Agreed.

The design aesthetic of Connections and Creations should also hold up better to time.
 

trainplane3

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Thank you! Anything after Epcot '95 was far more destructive to the park's legacy than the current overhaul. I feel like no one realizes the millenium celebration played a huge role in killing EPCOT Center. Innoventions destroyed the roofline and paint scheme of CommuniCore, Leave a Legacy turned the entrance plaza into a graveyard, the WAND was... the wand, just to name a few. The current overhaul isn't perfect, but it upholds the park's values better than previous reimaginings.
But one thing to remember, a chunk of what they're messing with now was already quite bad so to make it worse would be quite an achievement. I still wouldn't call the overhaul good but bits of it a moving in the right direction. It's just funny to see the work that everyone can agree with as "good" is just a lot of reverting it back to the 80's designs (which just further proves those specific areas were "timeless" to begin with).

Ditching FoN was still a horrible move regardless of the plans and will hopefully be viewed as such in the future. Would've been a good opportunity to add waterways back into the core area too but instead we're getting concrete and trees (which AK has a ton of and people complain it's the "hottest park").
 

TikibirdLand

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In case anyone needs a reminder... of how dreadful Electric Umbrella was:


Not sure what you were trying to show from linking the video. I see a bunch of neon out. But, since it was their last day, I'd give them some slack. Seems the staff has done a good job of keeping the restaurant clean and tidy, even as they knew it was headed to demolition.
Thank you! Anything after Epcot '95 was far more destructive to the park's legacy than the current overhaul. I feel like no one realizes the millenium celebration played a huge role in killing EPCOT Center. Innoventions destroyed the roofline and paint scheme of CommuniCore, Leave a Legacy turned the entrance plaza into a graveyard, the WAND was... the wand, just to name a few. The current overhaul isn't perfect, but it upholds the park's values better than previous reimaginings.
See my previous comments. I do agree that the wand and roofline mods were bone-headed on management's part. I also include the awning and the pin trading. But, the electric umbrella wasn't a big faux paus, IMO.
Agreed.

The design aesthetic of Connections and Creations should also hold up better to time.
I'm sure that's what they said about all the other mods discussed above :). The changes look like something you'd see in a mall from the early 2000's though. Exterior-wise, I do like the restoration of the roofline and the windows. The interior LEDs are already dated and aren't used for any particular effect (unlike the ones outside). It's kinda like the tan and beige aesthetic of the early 80's. It's not offensive; it's more boring than anything. Sounds like they're trying with some interesting artwork besides "crazy psycho Micky". We'll have to see. EU is gone. No goin' back.
 

FerretAfros

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I always say it, but Millenium Epcot was awful aside from IROE and Tapestry. While this overhaul is *interesting*, it's not bad. The millenium was much more destructive of original Epcot than this.
They literally demolished half of the park's central organizing principle for the current project, but the elements that they added during the Millennium Celebration were more destructive? I'm not sure I follow that logic.

Sure, the Millennium-era stuff was a product of its time, a lot of visual clutter was added, and the finishes tended to be more industrial than luxurious, but ultimately relatively little of it actually detracted from the park's existing experiences themselves. The park's central plaza remained a plaza (with the shade and kinetics of trees and water swapped for canopies and whirligigs), the nighttime lagoon show remained a high-tech salute to global cultures, and Spaceship Earth remained unchanged as an attraction. The infrastructure improvements made to the World Showcase promenade for nightly parades and the Reflections of Earth torches remain in regular use to this day, despite their original shows having been retired.

[It should be noted that although the Imagination redo was tied into the Millennium Celebration for marketing purposes, it wasn't really connected from a design or budget perspective, the timing just worked out nicely; a similar tie-in happened with Indiana Jones for DL's 40th]

Additionally, it's tough to argue that the additions were somehow destructive to the park thematically. The then-new technologies on showcase in Innoventions, the multicultural celebration of the Millennium Village, and global focus of Tapestry of Nations and Reflections of Earth all fit the park's mission like a glove. Arguably, it was the last time the park really went all-in on the original ideas of showcasing human achievement. The park has drifted away from those ideals in the intervening years, but the pace increased rapidly with the park overhaul project.

And while many of the elements overstayed their welcome, they were always designed to be temporary. Nearly everything was added on top of the existing infrastructure: although the aesthetics changed, the basic framework of how guests interacted with them remained the same. There was very little intention that any of it would redefine the park for generations to come; it was an ephemeral moment in time, rather than monumental construction meant to be a draw for years to come.

Contrast that with the current project, which has demolished half of the park's spacial organizing structure, removed several facilities without meaningful replacement, added a massive unthemed warehouse to the horizon, tries to reinvent the park's mission, and is very much intended to be a permanent fix to the park's woes. While I can see how Epcot's Millennium-era additions don't meaningfully connect to audiences in 2022, I don't see how it was somehow more destructive to the park than what they're doing now.

Temporary additions will never be as destructive as permanent demolition and headliner construction.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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They literally demolished half of the park's central organizing principle for the current project, but the elements that they added during the Millennium Celebration were more destructive? I'm not sure I follow that logic.

Sure, the Millennium-era stuff was a product of its time, a lot of visual clutter was added, and the finishes tended to be more industrial than luxurious, but ultimately relatively little of it actually detracted from the park's existing experiences themselves. The park's central plaza remained a plaza (with the shade and kinetics of trees and water swapped for canopies and whirligigs), the nighttime lagoon show remained a high-tech salute to global cultures, and Spaceship Earth remained unchanged as an attraction. The infrastructure improvements made to the World Showcase promenade for nightly parades and the Reflections of Earth torches remain in regular use to this day, despite their original shows having been retired.

[It should be noted that although the Imagination redo was tied into the Millennium Celebration for marketing purposes, it wasn't really connected from a design or budget perspective, the timing just worked out nicely; a similar tie-in happened with Indiana Jones for DL's 40th]

Additionally, it's tough to argue that the additions were somehow destructive to the park thematically. The then-new technologies on showcase in Innoventions, the multicultural celebration of the Millennium Village, and global focus of Tapestry of Nations and Reflections of Earth all fit the park's mission like a glove. Arguably, it was the last time the park really went all-in on the original ideas of showcasing human achievement. The park has drifted away from those ideals in the intervening years, but the pace increased rapidly with the park overhaul project.

And while many of the elements overstayed their welcome, they were always designed to be temporary. Nearly everything was added on top of the existing infrastructure: although the aesthetics changed, the basic framework of how guests interacted with them remained the same. There was very little intention that any of it would redefine the park for generations to come; it was an ephemeral moment in time, rather than monumental construction meant to be a draw for years to come.

Contrast that with the current project, which has demolished half of the park's spacial organizing structure, removed several facilities without meaningful replacement, added a massive unthemed warehouse to the horizon, tries to reinvent the park's mission, and is very much intended to be a permanent fix to the park's woes. While I can see how Epcot's Millennium-era additions don't meaningfully connect to audiences in 2022, I don't see how it was somehow more destructive to the park than what they're doing now.

Temporary additions will never be as destructive as permanent demolition and headliner construction.
To be fair they did destroy Horizons for Mission Space, turn World of Motion into test track, and add the giant visible Soaring building into the skyline. (Which now looks minor compared to the BBB).

The previous renovation was pretty heavy handed also.
 

lazyboy97o

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To be fair they did destroy Horizons for Mission Space, turn World of Motion into test track, and add the giant visible Soaring building into the skyline. (Which now looks minor compared to the BBB).

The previous renovation was pretty heavy handed also.
You’re talking about nearly a decade of different projects. Those weren’t part of a singular renovation project nor were they part of the Millennium celebration.
 

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