Confused about all this Dining Plan talk.

lunarsquid

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Original Poster
Going in October, first time in 5 or 6 years... If the Dining Plan existed then, I knew nothing about it... but now I'm reading about how it's impossible to eat anywhere in WDW except counter service because of the DP, and I'm getting a little annoyed.

Before, there was usually a wait but I never had too much trouble getting a table at one of the World Showcase restaurants for dinner... now, if these posts are correct, I should just give up trying to get a decent meal since I didn't book a table years in advance...

If this is the case, I fail to see the benefit of the Dining Plan... It just seems to make eating somewhere other than the various counter service joints :hurl: nigh impossible, or at the very least, a major competition.
 

Rammstein

New Member
Going in October, first time in 5 or 6 years... If the Dining Plan existed then, I knew nothing about it... but now I'm reading about how it's impossible to eat anywhere in WDW except counter service because of the DP, and I'm getting a little annoyed.

Before, there was usually a wait but I never had too much trouble getting a table at one of the World Showcase restaurants for dinner... now, if these posts are correct, I should just give up trying to get a decent meal since I didn't book a table years in advance...

If this is the case, I fail to see the benefit of the Dining Plan... It just seems to make eating somewhere other than the various counter service joints :hurl: nigh impossible, or at the very least, a major competition.

We're going a week on Sunday. We booked several tables at various Disney World restaurants, inside and outside of the parks about 2 months ago with no problems. I know it seems like a long time, but it really isn't. And we got decent times as well.
 

Master Yoda

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The time at which you went WDW was at their lowest attendance in a decade due to 9-11 which it why it was so easy to eat anywhere. Attendance is now better than it has ever been and coupled with the popularity of the dinning plan and Disney's Magical Express keeping more people on property reservations are much harder to come by especially at the more popular places.

You have a couple of months before you trip so I would sit down with the family and do some planning as to which table service restaurants you wish to dine at. Hear is a link to the dinning section at Allears. You will find a menu for every restaurant on property. One trick that seems to help you get into some of the more popular places is to eat at odd times. Early (11:00 AM) or late (3:00 PM) lunches are easier to get as well as early (4:00 PM) or late (8:00 PM) dinners. Be flexible. If there is a place you must go to start out with that one and check for every day of your trip. Have a back-up plan. If you know you will be in Epcot on Friday but the place you want to eat at is booked have a second and third option.

It is harder to get tables than it use to be but it is by no means as futile as many are making it out to be, with the one exception being Cinderella's Royal table. If you do not book that 180 days out you are out of luck.
 

Cara1210

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Before, there was usually a wait but I never had too much trouble getting a table at one of the World Showcase restaurants for dinner... now, if these posts are correct, I should just give up trying to get a decent meal since I didn't book a table years in advance...


It is not hard to get good ADRs, but if you are looking to just walk up, while you're there and get in, then you may be out of luck. Just plan ahead, call ahead, and you'll be able to enjoy some great meals.
 

wdwmomof3

Well-Known Member
Before, there was usually a wait but I never had too much trouble getting a table at one of the World Showcase restaurants for dinner... now, if these posts are correct, I should just give up trying to get a decent meal since I didn't book a table years in advance...


It is not hard to get good ADRs, but if you are looking to just walk up, while you're there and get in, then you may be out of luck. Just plan ahead, call ahead, and you'll be able to enjoy some great meals.


This is true, you still have time to get ADR's. We did this when we were not on the dining plan so I am sure that there are hundreds of people who do the same. The key is to eat at a place that you will enjoy and don't waste two hours waiting for a table. I know someone who did this and I couldn't believe that anyone would really wait that long.

Just call them and be flexible with the times and you will be fine. :) A friend of mine booked several a few days before the trip and another person called while they were there and got an ADR for breakfast in the castle. Good luck:)
 

MaXXimus

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As wdwmomof3 said, you still have time... actually more then anough time. I made all my ADRs 5 months in advance without a problem. I did have one problem and that was, I had not realized I needed ADRs for breakfast and made them like a week before my trip and STILL out of all the places I wanted to go only one place was booked solid and I just picked another. Sit down, figure out what kind of meals you want and the times you want them and I can "almost" guarantee you shouldnt run into a problem.

Good luck and have fun :sohappy:
 

shari71

New Member
There are only three I am having problems with: Cinderella's Royal Table (I finally got it), LeCellier (had to be flexible and eat early) and Mama Melrose (still trying to get).

The key for me is to keep calling. Last year I kept at it and finally got everything I wanted at the times I wanted. This year I am trying to get 6 people into places instead of 4 so it is taking more time to get what I want. I have overlapping ressies and not great times. About a month before I go I will decide which ones to keep and then call and cancel the ones I don't need. This is what a lot of people do so keep calling. That is how I got what I wanted last year.

I have also been known to get there and just be too tired to make a ressie so I call and cancel to let someone else get in. Did this last year with Nine Dragons and two years before that with Chef Mickey's. Sometimes it just doesn't work once we actually get there.
 

MaXXimus

New Member
Le Cellier is a tough one... we got seated almost 45 mins past our ADR time and at least 2 dozen groups of people coming in with no ADRs were turned away.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
Yes, you need ADR's.

No, it's not JUST because of the dining plan.

I'm sorry you "fail to see the benefit", but for people that take advantage of the plan and make their ADR's according to Disney's policies, it actually works out quite well for them.

If you want sit-down, make ADR's. You have the power to fix the situation yourself here.

AEfx
 

ImaYoyo

Active Member
Maybe I've been out of touch with the real world for too long....


But when I used to live in cleveland, I seem to remember needing to make dinner reservations in advance for nicer restaurants and themed restaurants to avoid waiting forever (or not getting in). I'm not sure why it would be any different at WDW?:shrug:

In fact, my logic (if I were an average day guest) would be, since so many more people visit WDW, I would think it would be TOUGHER to get a good dinner reservation, and would assume I need to plan further in advance.

Just my personal thoughts and opinions.
 

Scooter

Well-Known Member
Yes, you need ADR's.

No, it's not JUST because of the dining plan.

I'm sorry you "fail to see the benefit", but for people that take advantage of the plan and make their ADR's according to Disney's policies, it actually works out quite well for them.

If you want sit-down, make ADR's. You have the power to fix the situation yourself here.

AEfx

If it's not JUST because of the dining plan, then how do you explain the fact that until the dining plan was introduced, my wife and I were able to do a walk up at ANY Walt Disney World Resturant on any given day. (the exception being Cindy's Castle) I don't know about you, but my stomach doesn't know when it's going to be hungry or what it's going to be hungry for 6 months from now.

Prior to the Dining plan, we have done walk ups twice a year, for the last 15 years to such favorites as Le Cellier, Liberty Tree, Coral Reef, San Angel Inn, and even The California Grill.
Now it's almost impossible to walk up to any of these places w/o an ADR. You can't tell me that the Dining plan doesn't play a major role in this and have me believe it for one second.

My wife and I absolutley hate the dining plan, and imo we have good reason to. If we want to eat any full service meals we have to figure out what we'll be hungry for 6 months in advance....thats absurd.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
If it's not JUST because of the dining plan, then how do you explain the fact that until the dining plan was introduced, my wife and I were able to do a walk up at ANY Walt Disney World Resturant on any given day. (the exception being Cindy's Castle) I don't know about you, but my stomach doesn't know when it's going to be hungry or what it's going to be hungry for 6 months from now.

Prior to the Dining plan, we have done walk ups twice a year, for the last 15 years to such favorites as Le Cellier, Liberty Tree, Coral Reef, San Angel Inn, and even The California Grill.
Now it's almost impossible to walk up to any of these places w/o an ADR. You can't tell me that the Dining plan doesn't play a major role in this and have me believe it for one second.

My wife and I absolutley hate the dining plan, and imo we have good reason to. If we want to eat any full service meals we have to figure out what we'll be hungry for 6 months in advance....thats absurd.
Effects very seldom have one single cause. Has the dinning plan had an effect on availability? Without a doubt yes, people that would normally not go to these restaurants due to cost are now able to give them a try, but it is not thing effecting dining availability. Park attendance is higher now then it has ever been also DME is keeping more people on property.

I too miss the days of showing up at a park and making an ADR for lunch that same day nearly any where I want but those days are gone so I adapt. The positive part of this is that it means that Disney will build more restaurants. One is already under construction and another 2 are on the way.
 

ImaYoyo

Active Member
Is some of it due to the dining plan? You bet! But I'm willing to bet that a lot of it is due to 16 MILLION PEOPLE COMING TO THE MAGIC KINGDOM LAST YEAR. That might have a TEENSY effect on things...

If it's not JUST because of the dining plan, then how do you explain the fact that until the dining plan was introduced, my wife and I were able to do a walk up at ANY Walt Disney World Resturant on any given day. (the exception being Cindy's Castle) I don't know about you, but my stomach doesn't know when it's going to be hungry or what it's going to be hungry for 6 months from now.

Prior to the Dining plan, we have done walk ups twice a year, for the last 15 years to such favorites as Le Cellier, Liberty Tree, Coral Reef, San Angel Inn, and even The California Grill.
Now it's almost impossible to walk up to any of these places w/o an ADR. You can't tell me that the Dining plan doesn't play a major role in this and have me believe it for one second.

My wife and I absolutley hate the dining plan, and imo we have good reason to. If we want to eat any full service meals we have to figure out what we'll be hungry for 6 months in advance....thats absurd.
 

KnK

New Member
10 years ago there was a dining plan. We used it during our honeymoon stay. It was called something different back then.

It's only the last few years, with the introduction of free dining, that more people started taking advantage of if.

We go each year in September (70 more days...yeah) and we usually only make a few ADR's. Last year during our trip, I was able to get seats at Jiko, Artist Point, California Grill, Coral Reef, Tony's and Brown Derby as walk ins or same day reservations. Some of the ADR's were made at 5:00 pm for 7:00 pm seatings.

During our 10 night stay we at about 15 sit down meals last year. I only made 3 ADR's and one of them I ended up cancelling. We tend to live in the moment, and see what strikes our fancy.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
If it's not JUST because of the dining plan, then how do you explain the fact that until the dining plan was introduced, my wife and I were able to do a walk up at ANY Walt Disney World Resturant on any given day. (the exception being Cindy's Castle) I don't know about you, but my stomach doesn't know when it's going to be hungry or what it's going to be hungry for 6 months from now.

Prior to the Dining plan, we have done walk ups twice a year, for the last 15 years to such favorites as Le Cellier, Liberty Tree, Coral Reef, San Angel Inn, and even The California Grill.
Now it's almost impossible to walk up to any of these places w/o an ADR. You can't tell me that the Dining plan doesn't play a major role in this and have me believe it for one second.

My wife and I absolutley hate the dining plan, and imo we have good reason to. If we want to eat any full service meals we have to figure out what we'll be hungry for 6 months in advance....thats absurd.

First, send your hate to Disney, not me. It will do more good. :)

(Seriously, write them a letter and tell them how you feel. It's the only effective thing to do.)

But since you addressed it to me...so, in your experience, walking up just twice a year somehow proves that ONLY the dining plan is at fault? Twice a year and you are an expert?

Sorry, I'll quote you and say I don't believe that for a second.

You seem very angry about this and when one is angry it's always human nature to reach for the easiest explaination and lash out at it. You fail to recognize all the other factors here.

The biggest of which is that, WDW busier right now than EVER. You are comparing apples to oranges in terms of pre-MYW dining plan and it's extremely myopic to see that as the ONLY change at WDW in the past few years that has increased traffic in general, and to restaurants specifically. And it also ignored the fact that WDW has always had some form of dining plan (at least for the last 20 years or so), but the increase was bundling that dining plan with the Magic Your Way strategy to increase attendance everywhere - which INCLUDED restaurants. Disney is doing EVERYTHING it can right now to keep people on-site, and those people need to eat, dining plan or not.

Much of it is due to Magic Your Way, and not the dining plan itself, as a matter of fact. Many less people are going off-site these days (many can't, that's why Disney invented Magical Express). This has had a HUGE impact on WDW Dining, meal plan or not. Gone are the days when people would go to Denny's for breakfast, spend the day at the Magic Kingdom, get a quick service lunch on site, and then get dinner off-site on their way home. Ask any of the local Orlando businesses that are off-site and tourist centric - vacationers using their products (car rentals, off-site dining, off-site hotels) are down. Orlando is doing just fine because it still has all the convention business, but many more people are planning Disney-centric vacations instead of central-Florida vacations with a few days at Disney as they used to. Ask Universal about this. On some days the amount of passholders in their parks outweighs tourists.

Now, the dining plan has had some impact. It just isn't as huge and all-encompassing as some people think. The difference is, now Disney restaurants are full. They didn't used to be. Disney needed to get more people in them, and they did, using ALL of these strategies.

The "I don't know when I want to eat 6 months ahead of time" position at first blush sounds reasonable, until you take into account the context. Things ALL OVER WDW now require much planning, it's very complicated. I mean, just deciding which day for which park becomes a spreadsheet worthy task when you take into account avoiding/attending EMH, special events, park hours, ride rehabs/closures, etc. It *is* too complicated in many ways to effectively spend your time at Disney.

On the other hand, no one said WDW was a simple way to spend a vacation. It's like people who complain about Fast Pass, as in "I don't want to have to plan an attraction several hours ahead of time, I'm on vacation!" The truth is, Disney just isn't appropriate for a willy-nilly carefree vacation. That's what a Sandals resort or a beach vacation are about. At WDW, if you want to have the high-demand experiences, you need to plan ahead and make a modicum of effort. You simply can't walk up to WDW, say "I'm here" and expect the resort to just lay itself out for you. Sad but true, but we are talking the biggest vacation destination in the world that literally has thousands of opportunities do to things, and it's not as simple as "I'm hungry, let's stop at the first place we come to" even if we wish it were.

(And what's wrong with planning anyway? I guess it's beside the point...but personally when I know I have a meal experience scheduled I plan being "hungry", i.e. I don't eat an ice cream two hours before, and if I'm going some place especially hearty - a buffet, etc.- I'll curtail my eating all day so I know I'll be hungry; I'm not ashamed to say I fast before the $30 feast, LOL. But that's just me.)

All that said, as K&K said above even a tiny bit of planning works. You do not need to call 180 days ahead of time for most restaurants. And as time goes on, it's clear that Disney releases more tables closer to the dates of availability, and even on the day of. So no one is asking you to predict when you are hungry six months from now (unless you are absolutely dead set on a restaurant, which people need to remember are usually about the "experience" not just the food), but calling the day before or the day of isn't too much to ask. And, again, if the "experience" of a certain restaurant is important to you, you do need to give more notice.

Walking up to popular theme park restaurants and getting seated is going to be a rare occurance, just like walking up to PotC and finding a 5 minute wait in the middle of the day is rare these days. Disney has changed, and even though some people, as I said, fall to human nature and jump to the first conclusion that seems convenient and easily "hate-able" it's just a LOT more complicated than that. I think there are drawbacks to the dining plan as well (the kids menu is horrible, I stopped eating that kind of food as a toddler and I can't imagine that food appeals to most 8-year olds, and it slows up lines when people have to take so much time deciding and figuring out what the plan includes at counter service), but it is not the root of all Disney evil as some people wish it to be.

AEfx
 

Abbyjoe

Member
Well....we really like the dining plan. I know alot of people on here do not. BUT for us it is a great bonus. The dining plan cuts down the amount of out of pocket cash we need to take. Our dining is paid for months in advance and forgotten about. We don't need to worry if we have brought enough money since the only stuff we pay for is fun stuff.

PLUS...We get to eat at a lot of fun places we would never tried.:) I do make my reservations early, but we have a good time planning our trip, it is part of the fun.
 

lilclerk

Well-Known Member
Well....we really like the dining plan. I know alot of people on here do not. BUT for us it is a great bonus. The dining plan cuts down the amount of out of pocket cash we need to take. Our dining is paid for months in advance and forgotten about. We don't need to worry if we have brought enough money since the only stuff we pay for is fun stuff.

PLUS...We get to eat at a lot of fun places we would never tried.:) I do make my reservations early, but we have a good time planning our trip, it is part of the fun.

I agree with all of this. We didn't add the plan to our package til about two weeks before we left. I had no problems making any ADRs (though we didn't even try for Cindy's or Le Cellier or anything of the sort) and I am SO glad we did it. We got the chance to have some great meals (Yay steak!) we wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise, and we had everything paid for before we left. I think it's a great perk, and I'll use it as long as Disney offers it.
 

mnfootballmommy

New Member
When we went in 2004, CRT wasn't available at ALL meals AND you had to wait until 60 days out to make your ADR's (then called Priority Seating). Needless to say, MUCH harder to get into then vs. now. Not sure about other restaurants, but it seems like they have opened up a lot more 'opportunities.' Jes' saying...

As for my family, we have a 'vacation rule' that you have to order/try something that you wouldn't 'normally' get when eating out. It doesn't have to be each day, but you do have to step out of your comfort zone a bit. The DDP is great for this since we could sit down and discuss as a family where to eat that we could follow our 'vacation rule', still have fun and maybe 'compensate' for a 'bad' choice with a snack or CS without breaking the bank!
 

disneyfan56

Active Member
I think an explanation for part of the increase in using the ddp has been Disney opening it up to DVC members. I think it was only a year or two ago when we first heard we could now use it. So you are talking thousands of families who had never been allowed to purchase a dining plan suddenly having the ability to also use it. I know we jumped on that train and I'm sure most DVC members also did, and almost all at the same time. Could also explain why the sudden increase in attendance at restuarants.
 

Queen of Hearts

New Member
I'm sorry Scooter is having such a tough time with DDP...we LOVE it...

My significant other is a vegetarian and with doing a little research to find our best options we were able to make several amazing reservations this past week.

We leave 07/21 - with a little flexiblity we easily got into CG, as well as Boma and combination seating for H&V/Fantasmic...

There are great restaurants / shows / events in every major city in the county which take some prior planning.

If your stomach isn't able to know 6 months prior if it will be hungry, hopefully your brain will be able to teach it to be happy with whatever happens to be available at the time it becomes hungry.:wave:
 

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