Collaboration Park- Everyone pitch in!

[Crazy Harry]

I don't usually post in the imagneering section, but I decided to pop in and see for a change. I just noticed something. This idea is interestingly similar to something I posted in the past. Of course I'm not accusing anyone, but is this just a concidence?

I honestly never saw that post and appologize, it is merly a coincidence. I think it is such a natural idea, must be why we both thought of it. Hope you don't mind if I use it.

 

[Connor002]

I honestly never saw that post and appologize, it is merly a coincidence. I think it is such a natural idea, must be why we both thought of it. Hope you don't mind if I use it.

Not at all, just wanted to clear that up.

 

[Crazy Harry]

Well I hope yous all don't mond if I Join in on this collaberation park. I would like to design Adventureland if you don't mind. If anyone else had already made claim to adventure land i hope I'm alloud to add some input also.

My ideas for atractions are as fallows:

~Pirates of the Caribbean
designed to the story of the motion picture with the same old gags of the origional atraction and a few extras.

~Swiss Family Robinson Tree House
Not much more to explain here. the design will fallows the ones preceding it. the difference is that it will be located on its own island in the Rivers of America w/ different scenery from the movie such as the fortress hill, the swimming hole, and the flags from the day of the race. the island will be very small but will still represent the island on which the family was trapped.

~Jungle Cruise
Same ride as the previouse ones except there will be an added thrill that will be expanded on later.

~Haunted Mansion
If no one else has claimed the Hounted Mansion for their land I would like to sudgest we place it in Adventureland designing the exterior of the mansion to make it represent the many Governer's Mansions located in the Carribbean and also the one in the movie POTC. The inside will be much like the origional with added storyline from The Haunted Mansion movie.

The Tiki Room
~ This version of the famous attraction will be a little different from the orrigional in that it will not be a atraction but more like a restaurant attraction where you are eating in the enchanted tiki room where 3 different shows will take place over the course of your meal.

I will be adding more later to this land along with anyone else who wants to add more to this land.
Updates soon!!!

Allow me to add my two cents.

I like the tiki room idea. It is simular to an idea myself and others have had in the past. I thought it could be called the tiki lounge and have a wide variety of fruity drinks as well as polynesian themed meals.

Honestly, I think the haunted mansion would be better served else where. Maybe it is just the traditionalist in me, but it also seems it would detract from the theme of the land.

I always felt that a haunted temple attraction whether a ride or a walk through would be a logical fit, but not themed to indiana jones but rather a temple attraction with it's own story and identity.

I also wanted a supped up version of the jungle cruise with more of an edge, maybe with Jaws as a partial reference. I liked the idea of allegators "attacking" the boat by hitting it from under water and poping out from under water not to mention a poacher dangling from a tree branch with a allegator beneath him. I've heard mention of a parana sequence from DL which may be cool. I also like the idea of a research camp set up in the jungle with some interaction between humans and animals. ect

As for POTC, every other disney resort has one, maybe we don't need it. I know this is a bold statement, but maybe it's been over done. I'm partial to the idea of a polynesian themed boat ride which i suppose could have pirates or for fire mountain to incorparate the poly boat ride which would then convert into a inverted coaster where the story would be a polynesian spirit is saving you from the valcano god.

Now for Fire Mountain, it could be done the way I suggested above or it could be a runaway mine train scenario like everest, which would mean we could skip big thunder railroad for big thunder falls, but not nessisarily.

Jungle Book would also be a good fit as well as a tarzan coaster like that pteredon thing at IOA. A submarine ride simular to the 20k at TDS where you explore under water caverns would also be interesting.

These are all merly suggestions open to discusion or can be ignored completely.

 

[Crazy Harry]

you got a lot of great ideas there, i love love love the Wild Mouse Seven Dwarves mine coaster.

we have to properly segregate it first i think, here are my subland ideas:

*Fantasyland Fairy Tale Village - a FL staple
*The Meadows - A place where all the happy fairy tale animals can be in, Pooh, Splahs, Bambi.
*Beastlie Kingdomme - dragons! unicorns! merlin! oh my....
*Mermiad Lagoon - Ariel and Nemo sitting in the sea...
*Medieval Fair - Dumbo! would aslo make a nice segway to toontown

Ok stitch, I'll need help figuring this out, btu I'll get us started.

Medieval fair- Dumbo, festival of fools, small world (maybe), fantasia, castle, philharmagic, robin hood (on edge of medeval fair and meadows)

The meadows- Pooh, splash

Fantasyland european village- Pinnocio, toad, peter pan, 101 dalmations (? not sure about this one)

Mermaid Lagoon- Little Mermaid, Finding Nemo, ?

Beastly kingdom- Wondering if this fits or not, stitch, since this was your idea I'll aloow you to devise this part of fantasyland, it would be nice to have, we could even do a narnia ride perhaps

Ok, not sure where the rest should go or if they should be left out, need your input stitch

7 dwarves mine
Hercules raft ride(or other)
oz
Pete's dragon AA

And what about the dream port. Need help.

Also, I think country bears should stay in fronteirland, but that's just my opinion. Ithink it fits better there.

 

[FigmentJedi]

My reasons for the Bears in the Meadows is that I think that the bears seem too fantasy for Frontierland and it just goes well alongside Splash Mountain.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I think we need to devise a general layout rather quickly to see what we are up against and set up boundaries or this thing will likely never stop growing.

I say Tahu should devise the layout with possible room for expansion in case of really good ideas and stitch can draw the outline map with minimal detail due to the amount of uncertainty at this time and we can have more detailed art later.

For some of the land layouts, I think we need to scale some of the rides down a bit, not make them too huge. For Fantasyland alone, I think the Village area should go toward the back(along with Small World) and have one side be the Disney stories from England alone(101 Dalmatians, Mr. Toad, Peter Pan) and the other side have the other stories with Toontown going out the berm. We also need an idea of how big some of this stuff is and for Fantasyland rides alone, decide which movies truly deserve things. Heck, you know what? I think the Train itself may not be the absolute border for this sucker. It would of course travel around the park, but a whole lot of stuff would go beyond those tracks. And also, I haven't the slightest idea exactly where this park would really go and the space entailed within. Kinda reminds of that Disney Fusion thing I proposed that in general was a Sci-Fi hypothetical park(being located on Mars). I'm going to have to put some thought into this sucker...

 

[Crazy Harry]

My reasons for the Bears in the Meadows is that I think that the bears seem too fantasy for Frontierland and it just goes well alongside Splash Mountain.

Fair enough.

 

[Laufschneller65]

Allow me to add my two cents.

I like the tiki room idea. It is simular to an idea myself and others have had in the past. I thought it could be called the tiki lounge and have a wide variety of fruity drinks as well as polynesian themed meals.

Honestly, I think the haunted mansion would be better served else where. Maybe it is just the traditionalist in me, but it also seems it would detract from the theme of the land.

I always felt that a haunted temple attraction whether a ride or a walk through would be a logical fit, but not themed to indiana jones but rather a temple attraction with it's own story and identity.

I also wanted a supped up version of the jungle cruise with more of an edge, maybe with Jaws as a partial reference. I liked the idea of allegators "attacking" the boat by hitting it from under water and poping out from under water not to mention a poacher dangling from a tree branch with a allegator beneath him. I've heard mention of a parana sequence from DL which may be cool. I also like the idea of a research camp set up in the jungle with some interaction between humans and animals. ect

As for POTC, every other disney resort has one, maybe we don't need it. I know this is a bold statement, but maybe it's been over done. I'm partial to the idea of a polynesian themed boat ride which i suppose could have pirates or for fire mountain to incorparate the poly boat ride which would then convert into a inverted coaster where the story would be a polynesian spirit is saving you from the valcano god.

Now for Fire Mountain, it could be done the way I suggested above or it could be a runaway mine train scenario like everest, which would mean we could skip big thunder railroad for big thunder falls, but not nessisarily.

Jungle Book would also be a good fit as well as a tarzan coaster like that pteredon thing at IOA. A submarine ride simular to the 20k at TDS where you explore under water caverns would also be interesting.

These are all merly suggestions open to discusion or can be ignored completely.

I like the name you have for the Tiki Lounge. It's so fitting and it would be perfect.

I understand your views on the Haunted mansion. But I don't think you understand what I want it to look like. When I get a chance I'll submit some concept art. but what I'm thinking about is an exterior that looks like a governers mansion somewhat like the one in the movie "Pirate of the Carribean" this exterior would fit in perfectly with the surrounding scenery such as the RObinson Tree House and the carribean fort. there will be alot of palm trees and cliffs too. I had origionally submitted this Idea for a park I had tried to create and the Idea is that the show building will be located directly behind the House and it would protrude from the trees behind the house as a large cliff.

I will explain more on this later!

 

[FigmentJedi]

Maybe we can come up with some sorta comprimise on this(Because an Adventureland Mansion is a extremely good idea, but I reeeally want the Mansion in Shadowland as well to bridge Frontierland to Shadowland), like maybe two Haunted Mansions if you will. Perhaps the Adventureland version can focus on voodoo and zombies(maybe with some elements of the PotC movies as well) and the Shadowland Mansion would follow a similar pattern to Phantom Manor and the movie. Again, this another thing that needs to be worked out...

 

[Crazy Harry]

Maybe we can come up with some sorta comprimise on this(Because an Adventureland Mansion is a extremely good idea, but I reeeally want the Mansion in Shadowland as well to bridge Frontierland to Shadowland), like maybe two Haunted Mansions if you will. Perhaps the Adventureland version can focus on voodoo and zombies(maybe with some elements of the PotC movies as well) and the Shadowland Mansion would follow a similar pattern to Phantom Manor and the movie. Again, this another thing that needs to be worked out...

Ok, I see one of two options.

Yes this is a collabertive effort so people should be allowed to express themselves freely to a point, but there also needs to be regulation, so regulate. Put your foot down.

Or...

Does shadowland really need the mansion. The idea of the mansion in adventureland is starting to grow on me. I think shadowland may need it's own identity with all original attractions. What is in store for shadowland anyways?

 

[FigmentJedi]

Overall, Shadowland would have a darker feel compared to the other lands where forces of darkness have free reign and plot against other lands(Phantom Manor would be there as darkness's main trophy thus far in their scheme, having taken the Ravenswood Manor) , though Mickey and others would fight them off basically. I think the main icon of the land would be similar to the Hollow Bastion castle in Kingdom Hearts. Fantasmic would then be a climactic clash between Shadowland and Fantasyland/Toontown, determining the fate of the park.

 

[CaesarBoxFan]

I like the idea of clashes between the lands.

 

[Laufschneller65]

I'll make the compromise with you Tahu.
I would like to keep the attraction as one but if we must compromise then I would say that I will keep the adventureland Mansion as more of a caribbean type haunted mansion. Where the potc will more or less be based on the pirates story of the origional atraction. the Haunted mansion version will be more based off of the movie where the pirates turn into the zombies. I also think that maybe with the haunted mansion added there might be too many 'E' ticket atractions in adventureland so by allowing you to take it It will allow for a more ballanced park.

BTW. Any type of criticism or ideas would be very helpfull!!! maybe Ill move these Ideas to another Thread that way It won't be mixed up with the other lands. Can I do that?

 

[Crazy Harry]

Overall, Shadowland would have a darker feel compared to the other lands where forces of darkness have free reign and plot against other lands(Phantom Manor would be there as darkness's main trophy thus far in their scheme, having taken the Ravenswood Manor) , though Mickey and others would fight them off basically. I think the main icon of the land would be similar to the Hollow Bastion castle in Kingdom Hearts. Fantasmic would then be a climactic clash between Shadowland and Fantasyland/Toontown, determining the fate of the park.

Ok, a few ideas I have.

For shadowland, lets put it behind fantasyland so it can be in contrast to it.

I have not played kingdom hearts and am not familiar with the castle of which you speak, but I was thinking that a haunted castle as opposed to the haunted mansion would be a decent idea, not matter what ride type it may be. The dragon tower may also be a decent idea for this land or for the beastlie kingdom section of fantasyland.

Now the only thing would be how to connect shadow to fantasy if you have the river around the back and the riverboast will be on that same river.

Maybe we need retractable bridges or perhaps under ground walk ways under the river. They would need to be very wide, but may provide a nice effect.

On another topic, if we can find a spot for it, beastly kingdom (possibly renamed mythologia) would be a great sub-section for fantasy with maybe the dragon toweer, the hercules raft ride, and quest for the unicorn.

Alice's curious labrinth maybe a nice alternative for the unicorn however, but in the meadows (maybe retitled enchanted forest).

Please comment on ideas and I will try to return the favor for the most part.

 

[Crazy Harry]

For some of the land layouts, I think we need to scale some of the rides down a bit, not make them too huge. For Fantasyland alone, I think the Village area should go toward the back(along with Small World) and have one side be the Disney stories from England alone(101 Dalmatians, Mr. Toad, Peter Pan) and the other side have the other stories with Toontown going out the berm. We also need an idea of how big some of this stuff is and for Fantasyland rides alone, decide which movies truly deserve things. Heck, you know what? I think the Train itself may not be the absolute border for this sucker. It would of course travel around the park, but a whole lot of stuff would go beyond those tracks. And also, I haven't the slightest idea exactly where this park would really go and the space entailed within. Kinda reminds of that Disney Fusion thing I proposed that in general was a Sci-Fi hypothetical park(being located on Mars). I'm going to have to put some thought into this sucker...

I don't think it matters where it is geographically.

Ok, still a litte fuzy on your proposal for fantasyland subsection location. OUr idea was to have the castle in the back of the land which would put the euro village back there. If not there where would it go? Just the standard spot for the castle? Because one idea I had was to have night time show behind the castle.

Also, where do you propose the river run exactly. I could potentially still have my moat around the land as long as it is not the river we are discussion but merly runs in conjunction. But whereever it is it needs to not get in the way and support the river boat.

As far as location I see every land basically in the same spot as WDW with the addition of shadowland in the back, what do you think?

And scale of rides will go as follows roughly:

Robin hood, dalmations, little mermaid will all roughly be the size of standard dark rides of fantasyland.

Peter pan will be an extended version, toad will be about the size of indy in caly, and all other prexisting rides at other parks will be the sazme size, just to give you a general idea.

We are however still working out the specifics but will submit a rough plan when we are ready and then procede to design the rides themselves.

I just hope more people decide to join and become more active.

 

[FigmentJedi]

The Castle stays in it's normal spot regardless. I had an idea recently of keeping some of the dark rides in the usual Fantasyland dark ride layout(buildings extending out of castle), but having some attractions be built underneath others, creating double layered ride buildings and having ramps and stairs down to the attraction itself. I'll have to draw it out, but I think it's a neat idea. I placed the Rivers of Magic toward an upper corner or toward the top middle spot. I'll start some more sketching soon...
EDIT: And I had the idea of having a Sherwood Forest area on the island in the middle of Rivers of Magic and putting Robin Hood in Medieval Faire(which would be on the shores of the river in addition to the Meadows) in a spot not too far from the rafts...

 

[Crazy Harry]

The Castle stays in it's normal spot regardless. I had an idea recently of keeping some of the dark rides in the usual Fantasyland dark ride layout(buildings extending out of castle), but having some attractions be built underneath others, creating double layered ride buildings and having ramps and stairs down to the attraction itself. I'll have to draw it out, but I think it's a neat idea. I placed the Rivers of Magic toward an upper corner or toward the top middle spot. I'll start some more sketching soon...
EDIT: And I had the idea of having a Sherwood Forest area on the island in the middle of Rivers of Magic and putting Robin Hood in Medieval Faire(which would be on the shores of the river in addition to the Meadows) in a spot not too far from the rafts...

Ok, sounds good.

However i'm not sure about the attraction on attraction, but I'll see what you come up with until I form an opinion. I can see attractions on top of other buildings however, like a store front on bottom and ride on top.

OT: Maybe steamboat willie in toon town can be like the popeye ship at IOA, just stationary with activities aboard.

I like the idea of robin hood in the midevil fair area, but maybe just on the boarder between the two sublands. I think any sherwood forest should be in conjunction with the enchanted forest (if that name is acceptable). As for what should be on the island, I think we should think a little harder on that.

I would also like you to sleep on the idea of having the castle in the back of fantasyland. It alows for a normal entrance to the land and enhances it IMO. This park should be familiar yet unique. Having different rides is simply not enough IMO. And the castle does not need to be the icon of the park if we even need one.

I did have a basic idea for the layout for fantasyland. Enter through the castle(if it stays in the front) into the midevil fair with the euro village directly behind. Enchanted forest and mythologia on one side, dreamport and mermaid lagoon on the other with the option to switch the side or order.

 

[stitchcastle]

hey guys! sorry i've been gone so long

any way it seems like there's gonna be a Haunted Mansion on ALL the lands, from what I gather, suddenly it's the most popular ride!

I think we need to diversify the ride selection a little bit [Too many mansions, too many traditional dark rides, not enough "new" things] and sort of slow down and cultivate those that are truly important landmarks for each park.

I think when it comes to the selection of which animated features should be immortalized as an attraction, we have to consider representing the differnet "eras" of disney animation [The First Five; The War; The Golden Age; The Dark Ages; The Renaissance; the New Age] as well as the movies' popularity.

And then there are the non-taditional animated features [Pixar, Studio Ghibli]

ride buildings on top of ride buildings would be a forced perspective nightmare, especially for a land like fantasyland which relies heavily on its old world charm. It could work for Tomorrowland though.

As much as possible, keep Mickey and friends out of Shadowland, this is supposedly where villains thrive, no need to make them leech onto their territory.

anyway...

I LOVE the stationary Steamboat Willie play area idea.

by the way, I was about to suggest my "brothers" version of the Jungle Cruise but then I've decided to ask this instead: How about having a legendary monsters themed Jungle Cruise? We're crossing the rivers of the world right? what if, when you go down the amazon, you are attacked by the legendary Giant Anaconda? or when crossing the yangtze, you have a harrowing close encounter with the Yeti? or, King Kong (or Mighty Joe Young, if them copyright people get an itch) shows up in the rivers of Africa? or better yet, The Loch Ness monster pays us a visit.

 

[Crazy Harry]

hey guys! sorry i've been gone so long

any way it seems like there's gonna be a Haunted Mansion on ALL the lands, from what I gather, suddenly it's the most popular ride!

I think we need to diversify the ride selection a little bit [Too many mansions, too many traditional dark rides, not enough "new" things] and sort of slow down and cultivate those that are truly important landmarks for each park.

I think when it comes to the selection of which animated features should be immortalized as an attraction, we have to consider representing the differnet "eras" of disney animation [The First Five; The War; The Golden Age; The Dark Ages; The Renaissance; the New Age] as well as the movies' popularity.

And then there are the non-taditional animated features [Pixar, Studio Ghibli]

ride buildings on top of ride buildings would be a forced perspective nightmare, especially for a land like fantasyland which relies heavily on its old world charm. It could work for Tomorrowland though.

As much as possible, keep Mickey and friends out of Shadowland, this is supposedly where villains thrive, no need to make them leech onto their territory.

anyway...

I LOVE the stationary Steamboat Willie play area idea.

by the way, I was about to suggest my "brothers" version of the Jungle Cruise but then I've decided to ask this instead: How about having a legendary monsters themed Jungle Cruise? We're crossing the rivers of the world right? what if, when you go down the amazon, you are attacked by the legendary Giant Anaconda? or when crossing the yangtze, you have a harrowing close encounter with the Yeti? or, King Kong (or Mighty Joe Young, if them copyright people get an itch) shows up in the rivers of Africa? or better yet, The Loch Ness monster pays us a visit.

nice to have you back stitch. :wave:

I would like however fot feedback from you on my more recent ideas whether positive or negative.

Yeah, I thought the steamboat willie idea was a pretty natural one.

And yes, I agree we need diversity amongst our attractions. Even with all of the dark rides we will have I believe we can acheive this in our area of the park.

I think it's time to start dividing attractions amongst us to develope. I would like toad and dwarves for sure, and probally dalmations, pinocio, and mermaid unless you would like any of those.

And if you have anything else you want to add to the mix let me know.

And personally, I like the jungle cruises current format with out those creatures considering your lost world idea is likely to have plenty of that so any more would be over kill, not to mention an anaconda is in the cruise and could be in this version. I would almost not object to a yeti, however they are primarily said to be found in colder climates.

And to Tahu, I hope you don't mind me voicing my opinion. I'm not trying to undermind your authority. I will respect your final answer no matter.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I still say the castle should be prominent like it always is. After all, Fantasyland needs it's weenie...
I still say a Shadowland and Fantasyland war is not a bad idea for Fantasmic's plot though. The Beastly Kingdomme boat tour idea sounds good(though I agree with Crazy Harry that the Yeti does not belong in a jungle), though with all this stuff, I think we may need to scale some stuff like the Mr. Toad EMV just to cram them in. For Toad, I'd say make it more the size of Pooh at WDW, as in a dark ride taking a good amount of space, but with EMV vehicles on the madcap journey through England and Hell(though smaller, similar to a Frontierland idea I have for a Big Thunder Mine Ride). And I really need to figure out how stuff is going to be laid out in Fantasyland alone.
I think the ride stacking idea is getting troublesome too and I really need to sort this thing out...