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[Cliff]

The employees want to express their believes through their product. That's why they are engaged int he culture war as it is.

You can't have both.

Disney used to be able to please just about everybody. Take "Lion King"...everybody loves that movie. LGBTQIA+, straight, young, old, white, black, asian, latino, men, women, conservatives, liberals, solialists, Jets fans, Dophins fans,....etc.

Disney used to make products that EVERYBODY loved. They had no real political message. They were not "anti-this" or "pro-that". It didnt virtue signal or try to preach any social engineering message. Disney was just good story telling for ALL people and they had no political "adjenda".

They have veered FAR off course today...and they are damaging the brand and paying the price.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Disney used to be able to please just about everybody. Take "Lion King"...everybody loves that movie. LGBTQIA+, straight, young, old, white, black, asian, latino, men, women, conservatives, liberals, solialists, Jets fans, Dophins fans,....etc.

Disney used to make products that EVERYBODY loved. They had no real political message. They were not "anti-this" or "pro-that". It didnt virtue signal or try to preach any social engineering message. Disney was just good story telling for ALL people and they had no political "adjenda".

They have veered FAR off course today...and they are damaging the brand and paying the price.

Three years after the release of Lion King, the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the US, called for a massive boycott of Disney for being too LGBTQ friendly. You have been told this, and it must now be assumed you are not merely ignorant but are lying.

All art, including Disney, is political. Your version of creating entertainment for “everyone” hinges on excluding representation for large portions of the population, who are not contained in your conception of “everyone.”

 

[Cliff]

Three years after the release of Lion King, the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the US, called for a massive boycott of Disney for being too LGBTQ friendly. You have been told this, and it must now be assumed you are not merely ignorant but are lying.

All art, including Disney, is political. Your version of creating entertainment for “everyone” hinges on excluding representation for large portions of the population, who are not contained in your conception of “everyone.”

When I say "everyone" I say it figuratively and not 100% without exception. Disney has ALWAYS had "some" degree of protest. The movie "Song of the South" that gave James Basket an Oscar...the first black actor to get one. Sadly,...the movie he was so proud of was protested by some.

Yes...Disney is always a target for some movement...but all in all...they have a superb track record of pleasing very, very, VERY wide groups of people sitting in MANY wide-ranging demographics all around the world.

Today....that skill they "used" to have is dying. I think they are just now starting to say "oh $hit...we might have gone too far..."

Time will tell.

 

[TalkingHead]

You said “LEAST creatively risky” - not financially risky. You’re conflating the two. Releasing films by new or first time filmmakers that deal with deeper issues of race (in a horror context) or have extended segments where rocks speak with one another are creatively risky.

Pushing out filmmakers like Lord and Miller (creative risk takers) and replacing them midproduction with Ron Howard is the antithesis of creative risk.

And speaking of risk, Universal released Peale’s Nope, which was a creative swing. They also made Bay’s Ambulance, a mid-budget actioner that was an underrated piece of technical craft.

The problem with Disney isn’t DEI, or inclusivity, etc. It’s that their production lineup is mostly boring, predictable, and creatively disengaged.

 

[TalkingHead]

Who do we think Iger will throw under the bus next week?

Kennedy

 

[Tha Realest]

And speaking of risk, Universal released Peale’s Nope, which was a creative swing. They also made Bay’s Ambulance, a mid-budget actioner that was an underrated piece of technical craft.

The problem with Disney isn’t DEI, or inclusivity, etc. It’s that their production lineup is mostly boring, predictable, and creatively disengaged.

And while Nope underperformed relative to his other films, it was appropriately budgeted and still turned a tidy profit. Ambulance looks to have lost money, but was only budgeted at $40M.

Neither of those films have budgets in the hundreds of millions nor devolve to a predictable third act that’s graphically composed entirely during post-production.

 

[Trauma]

Kennedy

I doubt it. She should have been fired along time ago. Seems it doesn’t matter how things perform she has a job for life.

 

[TalkingHead]

I doubt it. She should have been fired along time ago. Seems it doesn’t matter how things perform she has a job for life.

Depends if Indy is a Flash. I’m at a loss to understand why they screened it for internet critics last week. The YouTube/SM realm will have had two weeks to shred by the time it opens. By then the hate-viewers will even think it’s old news. Doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Cliff]

I doubt it. She should have been fired along time ago. Seems it doesn’t matter how things perform she has a job for life.

I hope they DON'T fire Kathleen Kennedy. The damage she is doing to Lucasfilm and Disney is exactly what the company NEEDs to suffer today.

It's like letting a forest fire burn. It's very sad to watch but you NEED to let it burn. Once it's finised, the forest is ready to be reborn again. Yes...the death of a forest clears out "old" life and sets the stage for "new" life.

Yes....it's very hard to watch...but we NEED to sit back and let Kennedy do her thing for a while longer....

LET her (and the others) burn the forest.

 

[GimpYancIent]

When I say "everyone" I say it figuratively and not 100% without exception. Disney has ALWAYS had "some" degree of protest. The movie "Song of the South" that gave James Basket an Oscar...the first black actor to get one. Sadly,...the movie he was so proud of was protested by some.

Yes...Disney is always a target for some movement...but all in all...they have a superb track record of pleasing very, very, VERY wide groups of people sitting in MANY wide-ranging demographics all around the world.

Today....that skill they "used" to have is dying. I think they are just now starting to say "oh $hit...we might have gone too far..."

Time will tell.

There are no 100%. Disney has always had an everyone is welcome presentation. Over the last decade the steady attempts to change in an attempt to be supposedly more inclusive have actually created divisiveness where once there was none. A return to everyone is welcome and not emphasizing any specific demographic over others would be refreshing and a step in the right direction.

 

[the_rich]

So, in a bit of good news it looks like elemental isn't going to to be a complete failure. It's #1 today at the box office and has a very good chance of being #1 for the weekend. Having strong legs and WOM throughout the summer bodes well for future Pixar movies. It's still going to make less than they wanted but there's a positive they can take out of it.

 

[Cliff]

So, in a bit of good news it looks like elemental isn't going to to be a complete failure. It's #1 today at the box office and has a very good chance of being #1 for the weekend. Having strong legs and WOM throughout the summer bodes well for future Pixar movies. It's still going to make less than they wanted but there's a positive they can take out of it.

Estimated global box office draw is only 59 million. Not very good for Pixar at all. Actually, that's pretty bad for them. The next three weeks will tell us the real story. It's expected to have a 50-ish% dropoff next week.

Important to remember that Disney only draws about 55% average box office sales of any movie, the theaters keep the rest. So...when you calculate that loss...yeah, its bleak...so far.

 

[the_rich]

Estimated global box office draw is only 59 million. Not very good for Pixar at all. Actually, that's pretty bad for them. The next three weeks will tell us the real story. It's expected to have a 50-ish% dropoff next week.

Important to remember that Disney only draws about 55% average box office sales of any movie, the theaters keep the rest. So...when you calculate that loss...yeah, its bleak...so far.

That number isn't accurate tho because they only update the international numbers every monday. Also if it holds well this weekend it then has the majority of schools out next week and a holiday. It's not as much as they wanted but not as bad as it seemed at first.

 

[Cliff]

That number isn't accurate tho because they only update the international numbers every monday. Also if it holds well this weekend it then has the majority of schools out next week and a holiday. It's not as much as they wanted but not as bad as it seemed at first.

Not official but just a Box Office Mojo traker esitmate. They might be 2% off.

 

[the_rich]

Not official but just a Box Office Mojo traker esitmate. They be might 2% off.

Bom only has the weekend internationally. What is has made since Monday isn't there yet.

 

[Cliff]

For those interested in Disney studio financials for this year, this is a great break-down video.

Yes...it's very bad. This channel is no "friend" of Disney...but he DOES use public data and the math correct.

 

[Tha Realest]

For those interested in Disney studio financials for this year, this is a great break-down video.

Yes...it's very bad.

You can’t put a number on “were people inspired?” or “did they see themselves in this film?” or “this $200M production was a deeply personal story about my unique experiences.”

 

[Trauma]

For those interested in Disney studio financials for this year, this is a great break-down video.

Yes...it's very bad. This channel is no "friend" of Disney...but he DOES use public data and the math correct.

Oh boy.

A video filled with facts.

That won’t go over well here.

 

[Cliff]

You can’t put a number on “were people inspired?” or “did they see themselves in this film?” or “this $200M production was a deeply personal story about my unique experiences.”

True...people look to movies and TV for different reasons. Some demand to see "themselves" in movies. They want to feel like "they" are on the screen or in the story. Some need movies to "validate" them. Me?...I dont uses movies or stories for that purpose. I feel no need to be included or represented or affirmed. I dont feel a need to see "me" anywhere in life and that desire is not inside of me....so I dont get it.

There is only one "me" on planet Earth...and nobody represents "me" anyway.

 

[SamusAranX]

That number isn't accurate tho because they only update the international numbers every monday. Also if it holds well this weekend it then has the majority of schools out next week and a holiday. It's not as much as they wanted but not as bad as it seemed at first.

Other than that, how was the car ride Mrs. Kennedy?