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[grandad to 4]

Why shouldn't you get ALL those things?

Before we switched over to CSR as a couple, Hubby and I used to stay at POP with the kids. We got daily housekeeping, Free Dining, Free FastPass, Bounceback offers, and Extra Magic Hours ... which gave us three extra evening hours at a different park every night. MK was often open until midnight, which meant we could linger in the park until 3:00 am!

We didn't use it, but Magic Express was free; the DDP originally included app and tip, even for the Value Resorts; and despite being open later and longer, the parks were spotless.

Death by a thousand cuts. And a thousand and one upcharges.

Don’t forget the the luggage transfer to

 

[Lilofan]

I mean don’t get me wrong, I have my gloom and doom perspective on Disney too, it’s just about different stuff. Combined with how the rest of the Western World lives, is Disney a part of a completely unsustainable way of life wherein we trash the Earth beyond repair and fill the oceans to the brim with ever increasing amounts of plastic? I think Disney does a good job with environmental initiatives but there are some aspects of a mass consumption based project where an element of harm is unavoidable, and Disney hosts that mass consumption at a huge, amplified scale. I also have my worries about the ethics of people paying thousands for a theme park vacation as people starve in the world, although I’m more on the fence about that one as I am generally a believer in regulated capitalism for improving quality of life. Someone like Peter Singer would say that giving as much as you can is best, while others may say that makes people reliant on giving and isn’t best long term. But either way, it’s an area to think about seriously.

Stuff like LLs and rate of ride production and such strike me more as details though. I love the underlying structure of Disney parks in terms of my guest experience. What Ohana is serving or how long it’s been since a new ride came out is not a deal breaker for me. A never ending negative trend on those details - yes, of course that would reach dealbreaker levels at some point. And for awhile I was actually getting concerned - LL and DME plus other cuts and price increases all at once was a lot. But so far I would call this a blip, which is currently experiencing a market correction.

Capitalism generates income not just for the company and its execs but also in many external ways. It it were not for capitalism , Central FL would still be just another massive backward swampland pre 1970.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Capitalism generates income not just for the company and its execs but also in many external ways. It it were not for capitalism , Central FL would still be just another massive backward swampland pre 1970.

Yeah, like I said, I’m fairly sympathetic to capitalism even though that’s generally not fashionable. The math involved in economics is honestly beyond me so I don’t claim to understand the intricacies of various systems, but in terms of real world outcomes regulated capitalism seems like the “least bad” system (provided it proves to be sustainable in the long run.)

 

[akileese]

I know there was talk a few pages back about restaurant capacity/reservations, and I believe Len talked about it a bit too on a Disney Dish episode a while back. Obviously this is anecdotal, but the week of 8/4 there's an after hours at DHS that my wife and I figured we'd go to since we're in town for something else. I was able to book a lunch at Beaches and Cream and effectively had whatever time I wanted and that's barely 40 days out. I know it's pretty easy to walk up to that place since I do it whenever I'm at that area, but I can't remember the last time I was able to book a resort sit down this close to my travel date and see that much availability.

 

[Lilofan]

I know there was talk a few pages back about restaurant capacity/reservations, and I believe Len talked about it a bit too on a Disney Dish episode a while back. Obviously this is anecdotal, but the week of 8/4 there's an after hours at DHS that my wife and I figured we'd go to since we're in town for something else. I was able to book a lunch at Beaches and Cream and effectively had whatever time I wanted and that's barely 40 days out. I know it's pretty easy to walk up to that place since I do it whenever I'm at that area, but I can't remember the last time I was able to book a resort sit down this close to my travel date and see that much availability.

Anyone that can finish the Kitchen Sink , solo, is unique!

 

[BrianLo]

Many AP’s are DVC members who keep WDW and many of their resorts afloat who have and continue to shell out thousands every year (prior to any tickets, food, G+, merch purchases, etc).

I think it’s important to note when the AP discussion comes up they are considered very, very, very different things by the company.

AP holders are often out of state families with large investments in the company in Florida. The company likes WDW APs by and large. AP’s in Anaheim are often childless locals who treat the parks as their local mall in Disneyland. Its the companies pricing out of the latter that is sometimes misconstrued to the former.

Yes a cash rate once in a lifetime family is perhaps their preferred child, but they do like the Florida ones still quite a bit. There’s no attack or disdain on DVC families brewing.

 

[davis_unoxx]

3:30 PM partly cloudy no storms in area…

5 minutes for Soarin’ WOW!


This isn’t good for Disney is it? 2 days before a major holiday.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think it’s important to note when the AP discussion comes up they are considered very, very, very different things by the company.

AP holders are often out of state families with large investments in the company in Florida. The company likes WDW APs by and large. AP’s in Anaheim are often childless locals who treat the parks as their local mall in Disneyland. Its the companies pricing out of the latter that is sometimes misconstrued to the former.

Yes a cash rate once in a lifetime family is perhaps their preferred child, but they do like the Florida ones still quite a bit. There’s no attack or disdain on DVC families brewing.

They’re trying to price both out

Remember the “limited supply” sale of wdw APs that started in April 2023?

…how’d it go?

 

[BrianLo]

They’re trying to price both out

Remember the “limited supply” sale of wdw APs that started in April 2023?

…how’d it go?

Couldn’t DVC still buy their sorcerers pass? I’m honestly not sure. But that seems to be the only one they kept on sale more often.

I don’t think they fully hate DVC, because the company still sees them as the strongest audience to buy more contracts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Couldn’t DVC still buy their sorcerers pass? I’m honestly not sure. But that seems to be the only one they kept on sale more often.

I don’t think they fully hate DVC, because the company still sees them as the strongest audience to buy more contracts.

They were shutout/shutdown for 3 years…I happen to know quite a few

I can tell you that was a huge mistake…not even close to all went back to them.

The aforementioned described “death by a thousand cuts”

Did it EVER make sense not to sell a product to your most loyal, highest spendings customers (timeshare owners)?

If you want to try to understand chapek…start there

 

[marni1971]

but a paid queue jumping service isn’t inherently the problem when you view it from that perspective.

It absolutely is. It’s pure greed.

If it were what’s best for the guest it would be an included in the already expensive entry cost. Or the latter would be reduced. And made as simple to use as possible (ie paper system - with digital supplement if absolutely necessary- with one pass at a time)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It absolutely is. It’s pure greed.

If it were what’s best for the guest it would be an included in the already expensive entry cost. Or the latter would be reduced. And made as simple to use as possible (ie paper system - with digital supplement if absolutely necessary- with one pass at a time)

…you and management have been in SUCH a big fight these last 5 years

 

[Nubs70]

Parks can barely staff their ops how are they going to staff with closing at 3am and how are rides going to maintained overnight by mechanics if rides shut down at 3am at times?

By breaking down maintenance items that have an estimated 4hr/ee duration. Saving longer maintenance items for non 3am close times.

I ain't that hard.

 

[Nubs70]

No, but it's not as though signaling their intentions don't have meaning. It's safe to assume they want to spend that money right now. Wall Street didn't seem too thrilled about it though. Maybe the investment firms can talk them out of it.

The $60B signal holds as much weight as the Lake Nona signal.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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3:30 PM partly cloudy no storms in area…

5 minutes for Soarin’ WOW!


This isn’t good for Disney is it? 2 days before a major holiday.

I doubt they would have opened today if they knew they’d have that little foot traffic

 

[HauntedPirate]

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3:30 PM partly cloudy no storms in area…

5 minutes for Soarin’ WOW!


This isn’t good for Disney is it? 2 days before a major holiday.

Plus Rise and Tower are currently down (I know someone who was evac’ed off Rise). And RnRC was down this morning. And Indy had “technical difficulties” forcing at least one show to skip the ending.

 

[Lilofan]

By breaking down maintenance items that have an estimated 4hr/ee duration. Saving longer maintenance items for non 3am close times.

I ain't that hard.

And still rides are broken down with earlier closing times. Ain't that hard to figure out can't work during that time frame your idea of 4/3 ain't gonna work either.

 

[Splash4eva]

Thr $60B signal holds as much weight as the Lake Nona signal.

Dont forget Disney uses their own Math. So when they charge $200 to change a lightbulb to their in house dept that gets included

 

[Jrb1979]

3:30 PM partly cloudy no storms in area…

5 minutes for Soarin’ WOW!


This isn’t good for Disney is it? 2 days before a major holiday.

Meanwhile at Cedar Point the park is slammed.
While it may not be a week vacation its still a park that most go for 3-4 days.

 

[Lilofan]

Meanwhile at Cedar Point the park is slammed.
While it may not be a week vacation its still a park that most go for 3-4 days.
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A theme park such as Cedar Point would be slammed it is operational from May to Sept with a few weekends in the late fall open too. Few opportunities to visit CP, with WDW parks open 365 .