Characters in Disney Springs

PhotoDave219

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Most of the people I know that go to DS go because of Uniqlo. It's the only store in the southeast and everyone I know seems to love it so far. The other places are run of the mill mall store that are at almost all other malls in the area.

There's one opening in Northern VA soon. Fair Oakes or Tysons.
 

TheOrangeBird01

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Most of the people I know that go to DS go because of Uniqlo. It's the only store in the southeast and everyone I know seems to love it so far. The other places are run of the mill mall store that are at almost all other malls in the area.

Uniqlo is the only store I have ANY interest in going to (besides World of Disney, Pin Traders, etc.) at Disney Springs, and it's the only reason apart from the food that I'll be making a stop there in December. The rest of the stores I can go to almost anywhere else.
 

Next Big Thing

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Uniqlo is the only store I have ANY interest in going to (besides World of Disney, Pin Traders, etc.) at Disney Springs, and it's the only reason apart from the food that I'll be making a stop there in December. The rest of the stores I can go to almost anywhere else.
Just make sure to try things on before buying. In my experience (and hearing straight from associates at the store), sizes are a little wonky - even from the other stores in their chain, which is odd. I actually still have something sitting next to me I need to return because of the size.
 

TheOrangeBird01

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Just make sure to try things on before buying. In my experience (and hearing straight from associates at the store), sizes are a little wonky - even from the other stores in their chain, which is odd. I actually still have something sitting next to me I need to return because of the size.

Thanks for the tip! That's good to know since I won't be making a trip back for a long time :D
 

TP2000

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There's one opening in Northern VA soon. Fair Oakes or Tysons.

When I lived in Virginia in the early 1990's, Tyson's Corner was just THE mall. And since it had one of the first Nordstrom stores on the East Coast at that time, as a native West Coaster I remember going there to Nordstrom's for shopping and dinner and considering it a little satellite of West Coast culture, like a drop of rain on a desert. (For the All About Eve fans)
 

TP2000

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Disney Springs is a much deeper dive into retail than the old Downtown Disney. The average tourist of any income level does not primarily think of Disney as a shopping Mecca. The company also needs to do a better job reaching out to and attracting locals. To do that, price points may need to be tweaked downward, or somehow make the implied value feel stronger.

I don't know that you can do that without tweaking things too far downward. Orlando, while it has its charms and a hard-working citizenry, is just not a wealthy city.

As a point of reference to the "other" Disney community 2,500 miles away, conveniently also named Orange County, here's the comparison between Orange County, Florida and Orange County, California:

Orange County, Florida
Population = 1.3 Million
Median Household Income = $47,556
Total Retail Sales = $23 Billion

Orange County, California
Population = 3.2 Million
Median Household Income = $85,009
Total Retail Sales = $61 Billion

Downtown Disney at Disneyland is a minor regional mall 100 yards from a theme park complex that in 2015 attracted 25.5 Million visitors. Disney Springs is trying to be a major regional mall within five miles of a theme park complex that in 2015 attracted 51.4 Million visitors.

Downtown Disney in Anaheim could never compete with the major upscale malls within 15 miles of it, like South Coast Plaza with over $1.5 Billion in taxable sales last year. There are small cities in the South or Midwest who don't have the annual taxable sales of that single mall 10 miles from Disneyland.

So it will be interesting to see how Disney Springs fares with its upscale retail mix in 2017, 2018, and beyond. I'm no retail expert, but my gut tells me that Disney Springs opened in 2016 with a retail mix that has completely overshot the spending ability of both its local and tourist demographic.
 
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Next Big Thing

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I don't know that you can do that without tweaking things too far downward. Orlando, while it has its charms and a hard-working citizenry, is just not a wealthy city.

As a point of reference to the "other" Disney community 2,500 miles away, conveniently also named Orange County, here's the comparison between Orange County, Florida and Orange County, California:

Orange County, Florida
Population = 1.3 Million
Median Household Income = $47,556
Total Retail Sales = $23 Billion

Orange County, California
Population = 3.2 Million
Median Household Income = $85,009
Total Retail Sales = $61 Billion

Downtown Disney at Disneyland is a minor regional mall 100 yards from a theme park complex that in 2015 attracted 25.5 Million visitors. Disney Springs is trying to be a major regional mall within five miles of a theme park complex that in 2015 attracted 51.4 Million visitors.

Downtown Disney in Anaheim could never compete with the major upscale malls within 15 miles of it, like South Coast Plaza with over $1.5 Billion in taxable sales last year. There are small cities in the South or Midwest who don't have the annual taxable sales of that single mall 10 miles from Disneyland.

So it will be interesting to see how Disney Springs fares with its upscale retail mix in 2017, 2018, and beyond. I'm no retail expert, but my gut tells me that Disney Springs opened in 2016 with a retail mix that has completely overshot the spending ability of both its local and tourist demographic.
I'm at DS quite a bit and I tend to see the stores as pretty busy in most cases and people buying things. Most stores don't appear to be struggling. I do think Anthropologie was a mistake and there's too many jewelry stores (those DO always seem empty). Not having a tech store at all, an Apple, Microsoft or Android was also a big mistake.

It will be interesting once the Brazil economy recovers what things look like at DS, because i'm pretty sure they were the target demographic due to their known spending sprees while on vacation.
 

SirLink

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Don't you wish people would stop saying that? It just goes to show that they have zero clue or education about what an "Outlet Mall" is. Disney Springs is FAR from an outlet mall.

See Orlando Premium Outlet Mall. Now show me the differences and that and Disney Springs
 

SirLink

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All you did was prove my point. One is an OUTLET Mall one isn't.... If you still don't know the difference Google it.

The first thing in Google: "In modern usage, outlet stores are typically manufacturer-branded stores such as Gap or Bon Worth grouped together in outlet malls. "

Ok that sounds a lot like Disney Springs, e.g. Levis, Superdry, Disney, Uniqlo, etc.
 

Next Big Thing

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The first thing in Google: "In modern usage, outlet stores are typically manufacturer-branded stores such as Gap or Bon Worth grouped together in outlet malls. "

Ok that sounds a lot like Disney Springs, e.g. Levis, Superdry, Disney, Uniqlo, etc.
Outlet malls typically have marked down inventory. Disney Springs isn't in the business of doing that. Also, Uniqlo and Superdry are infinity better than Gap could ever hope to be imo.
 

JUFL2019

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The first thing in Google: "In modern usage, outlet stores are typically manufacturer-branded stores such as Gap or Bon Worth grouped together in outlet malls. "

Ok that sounds a lot like Disney Springs, e.g. Levis, Superdry, Disney, Uniqlo, etc.

Outlet malls typically have marked down inventory. Disney Springs isn't in the business of doing that.
Exactly, Outlet Malls(including the ones in Orlando) Are typically retail locations that sell discontinued or sale merchandise, while they may have stores that carry current merchandise, all will be used by their brands to clear inventory. You continue to ignore the term OUTLET MALL. Disney Springs is not an OUTLET MALL, a mall? sure. But its closer to Mellinnia etc Not to mention alot of the stores that are duplicated did not open in the Orlando Outlet Malls until after their Disney Springs locations were announced.
I also find it hilarious that you specifically mentioned Uniqlo and SuperDry which aren't found in ANY mall in the Orlando area
 

SirLink

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Outlet malls typically have marked down inventory. Disney Springs isn't in the business of doing that.

That ain't in the definition which was the first result in Google... so maybe its your perception that you associate discounts with Outlet malls.

Disney Springs was built to be a lifestyler mall, it failed at that.
 

SirLink

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Exactly, Outlet Malls(including the ones in Orlando) Are typically retail locations that sell discontinued or sale merchandise, while they may have stores that carry current merchandise, all will be used by their brands to clear inventory. You continue to ignore the term OUTLET MALL. Disney Springs is not an OUTLET MALL, a mall? sure. But its closer to Mellinnia etc Not to mention alot of the stores that are duplicated did not open in the Orlando Outlet Malls until after their Disney Springs locations were announced.
I also find it hilarious that you specifically mentioned Uniqlo and SuperDry which aren't found in ANY mall in the Orlando area

Superdry is at my two local malls. Uniqlo when I lived down the south were 2 hour train ride into London. Nothing really special about them
 

Next Big Thing

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That ain't in the definition which was the first result in Google... so maybe its your perception that you associate discounts with Outlet malls.

Disney Springs was built to be a lifestyler mall, it failed at that.
First of all, there's no such thing as a "Lifestyler Mall" (I know we use the term a lot here, but it's not correct).

It's called a Lifestyle Center and the first definition for THAT on google fits Disney Springs to perfection:
"A lifestyle center is a shopping center or mixed-used commercial development that combines the traditional retail functions of a shopping mall with leisure amenities oriented towards upscale consumers."

https://www.google.com/#q=lifestyle+center
 

SirLink

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First of all, there's no such thing as a "Lifestyler Mall" (I know we use the term a lot here, but it's not correct).

It's called a Lifestyle Center and the first definition for THAT on google fits Disney Springs to perfection:
"A lifestyle center is a shopping center or mixed-used commercial development that combines the traditional retail functions of a shopping mall with leisure amenities oriented towards upscale consumers."

https://www.google.com/#q=lifestyle+center

I'll use a dictionary rather than wikipedia but: http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/lifestyle+mall

On that note the whole concept hinges around the notion of "shopping as entertainment" which Disney has failed to understand how to make that work.
 

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