mysto
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You can't tell me that I spend less there then someone who goes only once every 5 years. I may not spend as much in one day but it adds up fast over time.
I think you spend a lot less than them on admission per day?
You can't tell me that I spend less there then someone who goes only once every 5 years. I may not spend as much in one day but it adds up fast over time.
The more I think about Chapek the more I think he's "financially" correct. Honestly, it's posssible that Magic Kingdom could draw the exact same bottom line finacials in the next 5-10 years...with ZERO new investment money. Disney just needs to focus on getting customer dollar spent at the other 3 parks up to MK's level.There’s more like 50 mil annually in Florida - unofficially…
And there’s not definite numbers…but the price of EVERYTHING they sell has gone up minimum of about 140% in total in the last 20 years. Defenders will say that’s “normal”…but that’s self soothing. Aka “false”.
Say it isn't so, they've cut pixie dust!? I must have missed that announcement at d23.Pixie dust is real...you forgot that one.
Yes…I believe you are correct. Except the part about an “wanting less”…no.The more I think about Chapek the more I think he's "financially" correct. Honestly, it's posssible that Magic Kingdom could draw the exact same bottom line finacials in the next 5-10 years...with ZERO new investment money. Disney just needs to focus on getting customer dollar spent at the other 3 parks up to MK's level.
We got no significant "real" parks announcements at D23...because investing in expensive WDW attractions is just not necessary???
Making Blue Sky paintings and saying "what if we..." a dozen times last week costs nothing. But there is no need to green light ANY of that cost if the parks are already jam-packed. (On average)
I dunno....Diisney will only green light stuff if they are desperate to raise park attendance. Today?...Disney is doing the opposite. They dont want "more" guests. They want LESS but "better" guests. And yeah....they have no fear of turning away the complicated "legacy fans".
Us "legacy fans" look at stuff WAY too closely. We pay WAY too much attention. We criticize and complain WAY too much. "Legacy fans" are extremely hard to please...and we dont spend as much as the casual "normie" fans do.
Hmm....wow. Is this true? No....it can't be.
Admission is not to generate profit…it’s to cover overhead and open the “gateway” to profits in the parks.I think you spend a lot less than them on admission per day?
….they stopped pumping it directly into the hvac…that’s why you heard boos.Say it isn't so, they've cut pixie dust!? I must have missed that announcement at d23.
We got no significant "real" parks announcements at D23...because investing in expensive WDW attractions is just not necessary???
I dunno....Diisney will only green light stuff if they are desperate to raise park attendance. Today?...Disney is doing the opposite. They dont want "more" guests. They want LESS but "better" guests. And yeah....they have no fear of turning away the complicated "legacy fans".
Us "legacy fans" look at stuff WAY too closely. We pay WAY too much attention. We criticize and complain WAY too much. "Legacy fans" are extremely hard to please...and we dont spend as much as the casual "normie" fans do.
They need ride capacity…places to put more of the butts in seats that are already there…A lot of people say that Disney needs to increase capacity at their resorts, but I don't see it.
The Disney parks aren't at capacity.
They day they fill up constantly with with guests buying full price tickets is the day they need to expand capacity.
Annual passes are a tool to fill in the existing attendance gap and squeeze out some extra revenue by enticing people to visit often and spend some money on food and merch. The fact they still sell passes means they have capacity to spare.
It is not. At all.On this part... I disagree. People have read way too much into idea that they want "better" guests and have assumed the worst.
Their focus is on making the experience better. They know in some way they need to start reducing the number of guests in the parks to do that. Shorter lines, less congestion, easier access to experiences.
For far too long Disney felt that growth came in higher attendance and more bodies in the park, without real regard for what that was doing to the overall experience. Sure they added Fastpass as a way to make up for long attraction lines, but the jokes have been out there for years that they needed to add Fastpass to the restaurants and shops and even down to the bathrooms. That was a big sign that things had been out of control.
Disneyland's Project Stardust seems to have been the breaking point. This is the project where Disney invested gobs of cash into eliminating planters, tearing out trees, widening walkways and even tearing out merchandise locations to make room for more people coming in. Somehow I think looking at the dollar figured of accommodating more and more people, and the realization that you are doing this for a group of people that are generally paying less for the experience is what is triggering this. Something needs to change.
Looking at ways to improve the experience, aside from just adding more and more attractions is in their best interest.
They need ride capacity…places to put more of the butts in seats that are already there…
Not “capacity” to add new customers…that ends up costing more overhead.
I understand what you are saying but Splash Mountain was not based on "Song of the South". Some of the familiar music from the movie was used, however, the story line for Splash Mtn. was from..."Uncle Remus the fictional title character and narrator of a collection of African American folktales compiled and adapted by Joel Chandler Harris and published in book form in 1881". The incentive for the movie came from those stories just like Mary Poppins was from a book written by P. L. Travers.Princess and the Frog did pretty well, and it was cut off a bit by Avatar opening a week or so after its release. I bet it did better than Song of The South.
It is not. At all.
right company, wrong time…they don’t subscribe to that philosophy anymore.
Are we talking about Orlando and annual passes?They can also reduce the number of butts by curtailing annual passes, which they have done to a degree with the reservation system, caps on number sold, and pricing.
Not too long ago, when debates over the AP program were really raging, especially at Disneyland, there were so many people going to the parks super frequently and paying almost nothing on a per visit basis.
Annual passes are getting closer to something many people argued they should have been replaced with all along - a discount program for frequent visitors that doesn't give a million+ people unlimited access to the theme parks for next to nothing.
Because Iger doesn’t understand star wars and thought episode 7 box office was “legit” for reasons it was not?So why did they spend the money to remove that merchandise location at Disneyland?
I hate to say this,...but "empty" parks are THE best thing we could hope for. This, of course, would need to be a long term trend. We could hope for a "relatively" light holliday season then move into a light winter and Easter/Spring break month.
Remember “the mobs” were coming?
I disagree, at least if we adjust for inflation.Princess and the Frog did pretty well, and it was cut off a bit by Avatar opening a week or so after its release. I bet it did better than Song of The South.
Adjusted for inflation, SotS earned more more at the box office than PatF.
You'd really have to run the numbers. The AP holders might eat signature dining (Cali Grill and the like) every night including wine, plus buy lots of collectables. It is very likely the frequently flyers who even know about all the cool collectables.But the comparison on spending isn’t comparing your spending over let’s say the 10 times you visit in a year, versus the spending of a family that visits once a year. It’s your spending over your 10 visits versus the spending of 10 individual family’s all doing their annual or every 5 year trip. Disney thinks it can fill its attendance daily with those types of guests, and those are the guests that’s spend more per visit. As long as they are right and have the steady supply of those customers, their marketing strategy is correct
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