News Changes to operating Walt Disney World attractions due to COVID-19

DVCakaCarlF

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I didn't either. I'm just pointing it out.


Why is putting stickers along the parking lot any less efficient that putting stickers down for queue lines that can hold up to 5 hour waits? (Such as Flight of Passage... They start the stickers ALL THE WAY back at the bridge to Africa... AND it's on BOTH sides of the path) I doubt putting stickers down on the ground would be any more inconvenient for them than all the stickers everywhere in the parks. So there's the answer to that concern. (Of which, there are even more easy solutions to)

As for getting guests off the tram, they don't need to get off all at once. This can be fixed with a simple "Please wait for a cast member to escort your party off." Take it one vehicle section at a time, if they're that paranoid... But I still don't see how letting all out at once would be any worse than letting a mass amount of people in an enclosed building get off at once such as the movie theaters, living with the land, everest, and other high capacity attractions.

Also, if they have enough trams running, they don't need to REALLY fill up those trams, which would take pressure off of the temperature check stops. Like I said before, have it staffed similarly to Wildlife Express Train. Where they have 3 or 4 cast members attending the tram boarding station, telling parties when and where to sit, ect.

This doesn't sound like rocket science to me... And it doesn't sound that costly either.

AND AAAAGAIN with all that said.... I was personally suggesting trams at the END of the day, not the beginning. So whats the deal with that?
Staffing
 

celluloid

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Monorail and the ferry are needed to get to the MK.

Tram service is not necessary because of how little the parking lot is used.
False, there is a large space of parking being used because of the distancing and time phases in the way they are parking cars.

The extra trams could have even been used as a safer alternative to ha e instead of Monorails or be another option. They can travel the bus route and have a designated drop off area to spread arrivals/departures in a safe open air meathod.

It's cost, and that is what it is.
 

celluloid

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I can’t provide evidence nor can I be more specific since this is internal Information. But I will say it’s not really the tram itself that is the issue

You are right, it is not the trams, it is the staffing that would be required to make it happen, and they would rather keep those furloughed or gone for now. When my internal sources (who are transportation leaders who had meetings over this for weeks in late April/Early May over logistics, break space they could make work etc...) say it is cost and staffing, since the majority of those shifts since typically when parks are open later and have longer late shifts rely on seasonal and CP staffing. So I give my info, you remain cryptic to prove your point with no evidence.
 

Tori

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False, there is a large space of parking being used because of the distancing and time phases in the way they are parking cars.

The extra trams could have even been used as a safer alternative to ha e instead of Monorails or be another option. They can travel the bus route and have a designated drop off area to spread arrivals/departures in a safe open air meathod.

It's cost, and that is what it is.
You’re suggesting a parking lot tram drive on a public road with other cars? That’s the opposite of safe.
 

celluloid

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You’re suggesting a parking lot tram drive on a public road with other cars? That’s the opposite of safe.

It is and has been done all the time, even at Disney. (Although lately I would not trust leadership as well as in the past to do it right)You can also go above that and designate a lane or stop at BDO. It is not that difficult. It is not a public road btw.
 

celluloid

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You're insisting the @peter11435 show evidence of their statement regarding the tram.

So, does that mean you're willing to show your evidence of your statement regarding the tram?

I have explained why tram service is not operating. He said it was a safety issue. Not with the trams, but the service. It's semantics because it is all cost based that Disney did not want to budget right now. I am open to more evidence of an impossible safety hurdle that Peter mentions, but nothing else has come to light. I don't care about his source, but the info, to which there is not any. We know why and what precautions would be made, space/distancing or cleaning procedures like everything else these days.
It comes down to they were not willing to keep those involved employed for the cost at this time. Common knowledge, no internal info other than people I know having meetings. Now someone presents that it is a safety concern, but somehow internally confidential.

Someone said it seems all evidence points to deer tracks in the woods.
Someone else comes along and says it is Bigfoot tracks.
First person says, really? I don't think so based on what I know, what it seems to be and what evidence all points at to confidently say it is deer.
Second person says nope, the society knows it is Bigfoot.
 

peter11435

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You are right, it is not the trams, it is the staffing that would be required to make it happen, and they would rather keep those furloughed or gone for now. When my internal sources (who are transportation leaders who had meetings over this for weeks in late April/Early May over logistics, break space they could make work etc...) say it is cost and staffing, since the majority of those shifts since typically when parks are open later and have longer late shifts rely on seasonal and CP staffing. So I give my info, you remain cryptic to prove your point with no evidence.
Trams don’t fall under transportation.
 

nickys

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I have explained why tram service is not operating. He said it was a safety issue. Not with the trams, but the service. It's semantics because it is all cost based that Disney did not want to budget right now. I am open to more evidence of an impossible safety hurdle that Peter mentions, but nothing else has come to light. I don't care about his source, but the info, to which there is not any.

This appears to back Peter’s point.

The train the Planet Watch can be filled with 6 ft between parties. It’s something only a small percentage of daily guests ride (many of them kids, who don’t have much else to do at DAK right now). A parking tram would never be able to keep groups that far apart AND keep up with the train of cars coming in at park open. You would need a PeopleMover. They don’t have one. So you use the original PeopleMover: legs.

Then there’s the safety requirements that had to be signed off by the special state panel in the re-opening plans. The trams would need a lot of policing to keep groups far enough apart. That’s a thankless task in normal times, when there are no safety requirements relating to physical distancing. I can see the panel balking at the idea.
 

MansionButler84

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In the Parks
No
So they could leave on parking trams and not gather then at the end of the day they are trickling out of in the last two hours? Almost as if people would arrive or leave to enter at different times to a theme park at different times throughout the day?

Rough argument tactic on that one. It is staffing/cost.
Been to the parks?

There is a big crowd coming in at the start of the day. Trams would not work then. They’d work at night but why bother if you can’t in the a.m.?
 

celluloid

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Been to the parks?

There is a big crowd coming in at the start of the day. Trams would not work then. They’d work at night but why bother if you can’t in the a.m.?
Been to the parks? You think families are more tired in the morning or wanting that at the end of their day? The last sentence of your post sums up the company's current leadership's results perfectly.

Giving guests the service and some their jobs seems like a "why bother" to me.

That goes back to the honest reason for them not operating right now.
Money saved from not just front of line staff but fuel/mechanic hours, management etc.
 
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MansionButler84

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In the Parks
No
Been to the parks? You think families are more tired in the morning or wanting that at the end of their day? The last sentence of your post sums up the company's current leadership's results perfectly.

Giving guests the service and some their jobs seems like a "why bother" to me.

That goes back to the honest reason for them not operating right now.
Money saved from not just front of line staff but fuel/mechanic hours, management etc.
People who are too tired at the end of 8-9 hours in the park should probably skip WDW altogether in masks. Call them cheap all you want. I support their decision. They prioritized Resort Hotel guest transportation over the locals in the parking lot, which makes good sense. They send out buses at the rate you’d expect on New Years Eve, but yep, so cheap. Good grief.

I was very pleased during my stay and would go again if not for the 14-day quarantine right now. The imaginary locals who somehow survive in 90 degrees six months of the year (with masks in Orange County) but can’t make it to their cars could always book a stay at Pop Century and enjoy buses and SkyLiner.
 

GimpYancIent

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The executives are being paid to do their jobs (and should never have had the silly optics of a temporary cut) and part of that job is to lay off tens of thousands of people on both coasts - it's not an easy or fun job. The executives are fully at work because their is demand for their job and their skills. Tens of thousands of front-line folks will be fired because there is no demand for theirs with the resorts' attendance down. Not sure why that is difficult to understand.
Spoken like an executive.
 

celluloid

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People who are too tired at the end of 8-9 hours in the park should probably skip WDW altogether in masks. Call them cheap all you want. I support their decision. They prioritized Resort Hotel guest transportation over the locals in the parking lot, which makes good sense. They send out buses at the rate you’d expect on New Years Eve, but yep, so cheap. Good grief.

I was very pleased during my stay and would go again if not for the 14-day quarantine right now. The imaginary locals who somehow survive in 90 degrees six months of the year (with masks in Orange County) but can’t make it to their cars could always book a stay at Pop Century and enjoy buses and SkyLiner.

Never said cheap, but I am not going to lie and blame the guest and say it was for safety when it was about budgeting. Prioritizing cost. The only over heating is your response.
Also, just because someone is not onsite does not mean they are local. They are also paying 25 bucks to park. Come on.
 
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WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Never said cheap, but I am not going to lie and blame the guest and say it was for safety when it was about budgeting. Prioritizing cost. The only over heating is your response.
Also, just because someone is not onsite does not mean they are local. They are also paying 25 bucks to park. Come on.
That was me. They charged me 25 bucks to park there.... For what? If there are no trams running, then there is no parking service. So parking should be included with admission. I wouldn't have gotten into this debate either, if the original argument wasn't "it's for safety reasons," because that's not the reason.
 
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