John park hopper
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Paul is only making money if you support and buy their product. As a consumer you are free to spend your money where you wish.
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Malfie Cent
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I'm not missing anything, but you may be. You don't need to start at those jobs, go to college and get yourself a degree and start in a different field/job that pays more. Not every single entry level/low skilled job is being worked by people who need a living wage to raise a family. Nobody, whether they are minimum wage low skilled worker, or even a trained EMT is forced to stay on their current path. If those job choices do not allow them to "live" on their salary then it's up to them to change that.
And save the strawman argument, (the bolded) was never implied by what I said. When you resort to that tactic it just shows that you don't have a logical valid argument to counter my point.
flynnibus
Premium Member
You are not measuring productivity in the areas you are discussing. You are not actually supporting your position, just throwing around things that look similar and trying to pass them off as one in the same.
No, I specifically answered the question "SOMEONE has to do these jobs. Who do YOU think should do them?" and I provided context on how it was possible.
Yes, wages at the bottom of the employment ladder have been stagnant. So if you are at that level, it is to your advantage to do your best to move up. The economy has grown, but so has the industry and consumer side of the economy has changed as well. Buying power is going down due to cost of living going up. It's not because the Bezos of the world are sucking the money out of your pocket.
When the labor rate at my local mechanic has increased 50% in the last 10 years.. it's not because of robber baron Bezos flying around in orbit... and you're not gonna fix that by just mandating the local dishwasher should get 50k a year to afford fixing his car.
Yes, because you're putting him on a pedestal for something that really is harmless. If it's not Bezos, it's someone else on that ship. The ship is still gonna fly. You and others want to paint this as 'billionaire joy rides' - that's not the end game.
eliza61nyc
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And unfortunately you ask a lot of parents and they'll tell you teachers are way overpaid especially if the school district funding is tied to property taxes. Yeah everyone wants to live in places with great schools but they turn around and scream about teachers having decent pensions.
A problem Americans haven't figured out, everybody wants the cashier or store manager to make livable wages but oh yeah by the way I only want to pay a dollar for that product.
unmitigated disaster
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Again. Someone has to work these jobs. There are not enough jobs in the US that pay a living wage. Everyone can't move up to one of those.
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
Yes some one does but it's not as cut and dry. Now back in the Jurassic days when I was a kid people KNEW that low wage jobs were just that and most folks knew they were temporary. We called them "entry level". No one decided they would make a life out flipping hamburgers. Now there are many folks who are very happy to work them but most folks knew that they were not going to have a middle class life taking tickets at an amusement park.
Now it seems that everyone feels they "deserve" to be able to afford the ideal life and regardless of what position it is your job owes you that life.
No every job is not going to be worth $25-39 hour. Sorry just because someone decides to make loading theme park rides their career does not make it worth a high salary.
So what happens in the high northeast? Starbucks barista should make 50$ an hour because they need a "livable wage".
unmitigated disaster
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Why doesn't everyone who can't make a liveable wage in the Northeast just move? Surely that's the simple solution.
And many of these jobs used to be jobs you can live on. But the owners and CEOs decided - and convinced everyone else - that they themselves deserve $$$$$$ and their employees poverty wages.
John park hopper
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Many of these jobs were summer jobs for high school kids (worked many in my life) --meant to teach you a work ethic --be on time, do a good job. They were never meant to be a life long career. A business owner invests in the business, takes a risk on whether or not the business will be successful. IMO the owner has every right to make a profit.
eliza61nyc
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Some do. I recently retired and one huge decision for retiree's is to move to areas that have a low cost of living. We don't have the option of blaming our jobs.
But I disagree with your second part. The jobs we are talking about specifically customer service jobs were never ever high paying gigs, now I've never worked at Disney. I know one girl who did the college program, again she knew going in that it was a temporary gig. I also know 2 retiree's who work at the parks, again they are doing it because they had careers. As others mentioned most were summer jobs that young adults had or or jobs college kids did while getting their degrees. When my brother worked at McDonald's he too quickly realized he could not live on that wage so he went into the navy, did a bunch of years and then retired and purchased a McDonald's franchise and one thing he constantly tells his teenage employees is they have to have a plan, no one should be working as the crew for 7 years.
Our point is that it's a shared responsibility. A "greedy" corporation has the responsibility to offer fair market based salaries. The EMPLOYEE has the responsibility for his/her own standard of living.
Sorry I find it hard to believe that if a person takes a job as a front line cm they can't figure out what type of living it's going to afford them.
Sorry, it is NOT the job of the CEO of Wawa to tell the guy pumping gas that he cannot raise a family on that wage. My kids had part time jobs in H.S. of course they thought 400 bucks a week was great money, we quickly showed then what it really meant.
Sincere question?? At what point does a person attempt to get ahead??
The CEO of my company didn't convince me of a thing. I have zero control over their compensation. What I can control is how I asked for a raise, what I could control is keeping my resume up to date and keeping an eye out for plan B in case I got laid off. I could control me keeping up to date on the skills I thought were going to be the "hot" ones in the job market and no it was not easy and I did mucho years working two jobs
I'm old school
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lazyboy97o
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Who says the business owner doesn’t have a right to make a profit?
But what would you prefer, give an extra $1 to your employee or lose $2 in taxes so the government can give the employee $1 in various forms of assistance? It seems just paying more as employers and consumers would be cheaper than running a variety of bureaucracies.
What did Bob Iger risk? When did he sell his life insurance to keep things going at Walt Disney World? In terms of purchasing power and inflation, Disney used to pay better, treat employees better, charge less and still turn a profit. Why is that suddenly impossible now? Why is it so wrong to think that purchasing power of a wage should not decrease?
eliza61nyc
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And to repeat, we are just talking wages. EVERY human deserves a respectful, safe, healthy work environment
networkpro
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Not every job or position is a full-time occupation. Do you expect every position to not have a maximum wage that's economically sustainable? That's what you're advocating.
unmitigated disaster
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I am a night auditor. Yes. I have a college degree. It used to be a job you can make a living wage at. No more. And don't tell me that's a high schoolers job.
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
So they are paying night auditors minimum wage now or are you living beyond your means ?
Some with part time second jobs , their first full time job is overnight shift work.If grocers and retailers are just supposed to be worked by high schoolers making summer spending money, then who's expected to work there during the work day and the school year?
flynnibus
Premium Member
If grocers and retailers are just supposed to be worked by high schoolers making summer spending money, then who's expected to work there during the work day and the school year?
grocery is not a minimum wage job. It’s unionized (where allowed) and usually one of the best paying entry jobs before the recent shortage (another issue with unions…)
People can stay in the because they either move to better paying depts (like meat, bakery,etc) and because they generally are not solo income (spouse, etc).
long time grocery clerks were never paid great. Which is why the most senior always work the sunday and holiday shifts for the better pay.
i was the third generation working in grocery. Every male in the family worked grocery at least at some point. No one stayed a clerk, and most moved onto skilled and higher paying jobs. My grandfather sold his store and worked in a chain as a butcher after moving to the suburbs. His parents worked picking vegetable fields.
people worked harder and had less.
unmitigated disaster
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Depends on where you are. Some places pay minimum. I earn more. I will be going far into debt for necessary dental work. Unless I win the lottery, I will never retire.
Heppenheimer
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Hard work isn't enough, obviously. It has to be hard work directed at something that others are willing to pay you for.
Make the stock market work harder than you do. That's how some who have regularly cash on hand ( wealthy or live below their means, I know some both ), invested regardless of market conditions long term to build their net worth. Some live below the radar , some like to live and show off what they have from their successes.