Cast Member Pay & Labor Laws

[John park hopper]

I remember from my college science course something called carrying capacity of an ecosystem

"the largest population that it can sustain indefinitely with the available resources, also called the “maximum load” by population biologists"
Speculation on my part I wonder if this concept can be applied to the job market and our current population has exceeded the available job market for good paying jobs and it will only get worse as automation increases. I know limiting population is not a popular subject but maybe it is time to consider

 

[larryz]

Some body has to be the English major, the literature major, etc. we need those guys also. they are what gives life "flavor and color" in my opinion. what do we do with those poor kids, do we say sorry kid you better get a business degree instead?

Just don't try to market a plain Jane English degree outside of academia.

 

[Kamikaze]

Nope, not a fact.
Please state how that is verifiable.
These lower income jobs, not requiring much education, were meant to be a supplemental income for a family.
It served both sides well, the hiring company and the family because they were flexible and mostly part time.
Thx.

Did you see the previous articles I quoted?
Did you ever try, you know, just a simple google search?

 

[flynnibus]

I agree to the extent that they are not "garbage". All employees are valuable. They are disposable though. And that is not a character judgement, nor is it a judgement on how well they perform their job. It is though a judgement on the type of job they have. There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to be a Jungle Cruise skipper. But if you're still a Jungle Cruise skipper 15 years later...don't be expecting a salary that is significantly higher than is being offered to a new employee. Higher because of tenure? Yes. But not significantly.

The word you should be using here is 'replaceable' - not disposable. When you work a role where limited experience or prior training is required.. you are more readily replaced if needed. It doesn't make you worthless or throwaway, but one should acknowledge they are less unique.. and hence less able to demand more in compensation vs another role with more difficult needs to fill.

 

[flynnibus]

I remember from my college science course something called carrying capacity of an ecosystem

"the largest population that it can sustain indefinitely with the available resources, also called the “maximum load” by population biologists"
Speculation on my part I wonder if this concept can be applied to the job market and our current population has exceeded the available job market for good paying jobs and it will only get worse as automation increases. I know limiting population is not a popular subject but maybe it is time to consider

Thanks Thanos

 

[Lilofan]

The word you should be using here is 'replaceable' - not disposable. When you work a role where limited experience or prior training is required.. you are more readily replaced if needed. It doesn't make you worthless or throwaway, but one should acknowledge they are less unique.. and hence less able to demand more in compensation vs another role with more difficult needs to fill.

Replaceable can happen in every company ( ie - Disney IT outsourced to third party team and staff losing their jobs had to train their replacements prior to departure ).

 

[flynnibus]

Replaceable can happen in every company ( ie - Disney IT outsourced to third party team and staff losing their jobs had to train their replacements prior to departure ).

yes - everyone is to a degree… but even while a ceo is replaceable its still not really the points when talking about a job that requires basically zero prior experience and can be filled by almost anyone who can comply with basic rules and behaviors

 

[Lilofan]

yes - everyone is to a degree… but even while a ceo is replaceable its still not really the points when talking about a job that requires basically zero prior experience and can be filled by almost anyone who can comply with basic rules and behaviors

There are more issues with vacationers feedback and less staff seen doing their jobs there is a possibility of that old mgt motto " doing more with less ". Companies out there always look for ways to run operations with less staffing or add more work to current staff.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

It’s funny how there are so many people who love to spend large sums of money at Walt Disney World but absolutely hate the idea of that money going to people at Walt Disney World, preferring it to go to people elsewhere many of whom think they’re idiots for wasting money at a place like Walt Disney World.

That's what always has me scratching my head when reading these conversations. Prices do continually rise above inflation, the parks generate huge profits, and Disney pays its top executives very handsomely. So this issue of "where is the money going to come from?" seems self-explanatory.

It seems a lot of people are content to pay massive and rising premiums for a WDW vacation knowing those cost increases are tied to growing profit margins, executive salaries, and returns for institutional investors. The assumption is that that's the natural order of things, so increasing pay for front-line employees would have to come on top of all of that and that's when people start railing about the people who serve them everyday in the parks and resorts being too entitled.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

You guys keep saying "well, just get better paying jobs". Okay. Let's say everyone RIGHT NOW who makes under $21 an hour does so. Hope you like living without grocery stores, retail stores, fast food, most restaurants, hotels, theme parks and cleaners.

I am constantly astonished that people think it's okay to treat people who don't make $$$$ as useless, unwanted when the fact is the country depends on them.

Oh, and as someone who worked fast food for 9 years: it's a hard, honest job. Don't knock it.

 

[eliza61nyc]

You guys keep saying "well, just get better paying jobs". Okay. Let's say everyone RIGHT NOW who makes under $21 an hour does so. Hope you like living without grocery stores, retail stores, fast food, most restaurants, hotels, theme parks and cleaners.

I am constantly astonished that people think it's okay to treat people who don't make $$$$ as useless, unwanted c**ts when the fact is the country depends on them.

Oh, and as someone who worked fast food for 9 years: it's a hard, honest job. Don't knock it.

please show me anywhere on this thread where anyone said it's okay to treat people horribly? I have never ever treated anyone who provided me with a service horribly and generally tip well. So it's absolutely silly to equate paying minimum wage with treating some one badly.
actually that's exactly how it works and we are seeing that now. when businesses can't find the workers at a particular price point then the price point will go up. Many restaurants can't get servers?? why?? because during the pandemic a lot of these folks realized that these are low paying jobs so guess what they are doing??? they are going back to school, they are starting their own businesses, they are getting a trade. what they are not doing is going back into a low wage job and then blaming their employer that they can't make any money.

It's very similar to how folks here complain and complain about Disney and yet keep going back but of course when you say that here it causes anger? go figure

If you have read any of this thread almost everyone who has talked about the industry setting the wages HAS worked low wage jobs. We've worked fast food, we've worked retail, hard manual labor. what we also did was recognized that these jobs were dead end jobs, that no one "owes" us anything more than what was agreed to, that no one owes us something simply because we show up for work. We recognized that for how we want to live 10/hr. was not going to cut it and then did something about it.

so let me ask you. when you worked fast food, did you think that it was going to be a "career"?? Was it able to support you comfortably? are you still there?

 

[unmitigated disaster]

please show me anywhere on this thread where anyone said it's okay to treat people horribly? I have never ever treated anyone who provided me with a service horribly and generally tip well. So it's absolutely silly to equate paying minimum wage with treating some one badly.
actually that's exactly how it works and we are seeing that now. when businesses can't find the workers at a particular price point then the price point will go up. Many restaurants can't get servers?? why?? because during the pandemic a lot of these folks realized that these are low paying jobs so guess what they are doing??? they are going back to school, they are starting their own businesses, they are getting a trade. what they are not doing is going back into a low wage job and then blaming their employer that they can't make any money.

It's very similar to how folks here complain and complain about Disney and yet keep going back.

Yes, the language consistently used on these boards is always positive. Of course. Silly me.

And yes, they are low paying jobs and people aren't going hack to them and GUESS WHAT? Businesses are suffering. There are restaurants and retail stores here that have limited their hours - some restaurants also have ridiculously long waits - because they don't have staff. Oops. Well. That doesn't affect any customers. And farmers not being able to hire enough help definitely won't affect you. Not at all.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Yes, the language consistently used on these boards is always positive. Of course. Silly me.

And yes, they are low paying jobs and people aren't going hack to them and GUESS WHAT? Businesses are suffering. There are restaurants and retail stores here that have limited their hours - some restaurants also have ridiculously long waits - because they don't have staff. Oops. Well. That doesn't affect any customers. And farmers not being able to hire enough help definitely won't affect you. Not at all.

I don't mind the negative language or the complaints, I think you're missing the point. If you don't like something, any thing yet you keep going or doing the same thing, why would you expect different outcomes??? maybe it's just me but if I pay $$$$ of dollars to go on vacation and all I do is complain about where I went, then turn around and do it again the very next year.........

lol and you do know I made that same argument about 3 pages back and was told big corporations can afford to give raises that don't effect the bottom line. so I'm not sure what side of the coin that statement is supposed to support.

low paying jobs are low paying for a reason and just to reiterate what everyone has said ad nauseum, EVERYONE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE., no matter their position, pay scale or anything deserves a safe, non-toxic, safe from abuse work environment. that is not the question though. the question should every job make a living wage as determined b y the cost of living in that area? absolutely not.

 

[eliza61nyc]

question? how much does a decent (don't have to dodge gunfire) apartment in Orlando run? I googled , and an article on Yahoo finance says that you would need an income of 89K if you are a renter in Orlando. (this was a simple quick search where I typed in how much does it cost to live in Orlando) not a real extensive look

How Much You Need To Live Comfortably in 50 Major US Cities

Some cities have median incomes way lower than what you need.

finance.yahoo.com

is this close??

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Why does everyone automatically assume that all CM's are making minimum? And what happens to those that aren't. Minimum wage is an entry level position. Period.

Let's look at the reference from a few pages back. The CM making $13 an hour working at Monster's. That was back in 2017 - so let's assume (if he is still there) his salary is more aligned with the $15/hr range. What happens to him when the entry level new hire, with no experience, who is benefitting from the increase in minimum wage starts out at the same pay level he's at? Does he automatically get a ~45% bump in pay? What about the CM's making $20 or $25 an hour (possibly in supervisory or managerial roles)? Do they get a ~45% bump in pay too?

Here's what we know (and it's true for any company). There are not only two salary tiers. It's not minimum wagers or six figure execs. There are paths. Entry level CM's become tenured CM's who can then become leads, supervisors, managers and possibly even execs. I don't pretend to know the various paths or the complexity of moving up within the TWDC - But it is there for those that want to go down that path.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

I don't mind the negative language or the complaints, I think you're missing the point. If you don't like something, any thing yet you keep going or doing the same thing, why would you expect different outcomes??? maybe it's just me but if I pay $$$$ of dollars to go on vacation and all I do is complain about where I went, then turn around and do it again the very next year.........

lol and you do know I made that same argument about 3 pages back and was told big corporations can afford to give raises that don't effect the bottom line. so I'm not sure what side of the coin that statement is supposed to support.

low paying jobs are low paying for a reason and just to reiterate what everyone has said ad nauseum, EVERYONE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE., no matter their position, pay scale or anything deserves a safe, non-toxic, safe from abuse work environment. that is not the question though. the question should every job make a living wage as determined b y the cost of living in that area? absolutely not.

Yes. Minimum wage should be tied to cost of living. They're human too. Part of society - or should be. People on minimum wage are living on minimum wage from 2009. Don't tell me that prices across the board haven't gone up since 2009. $16 an hour is roughly $33,000 a year before taxes. After taxes and health insurance coverage it's what, $$18,000? $15,000? Take out rent, utilities, car costs including insurance and food and you're not left with a lot.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Yes. Minimum wage should be tied to cost of living. They're human too. Part of society - or should be. People on minimum wage are living on minimum wage from 2009. Don't tell me that prices across the board haven't gone up since 2009. $16 an hour is roughly $33,000 a year before taxes. After taxes and health insurance coverage it's what, $$18,000? $15,000? Take out rent, utilities, car costs including insurance and food and you're not left with a lot.

And you can't see how impossible that would be? So from the article I googled the cost of living in Orlando some should have a salary of at least 89000 ( again I did not research heavily this number could be skewed. Just did a 5 minute Google). You really think 44/hr. Can be paid to a cashier? What about the high northeast where I live, guy pumping gas should then be pulling in around $62/hr.

Lol well I definitely wouldn't need to send the kiddos to college.

All jokes aside how as an economy do we make that happen? What happens to those farmers you spoke of if they know have to pay the janitor 40-50 bucks an hour. Health insurance? What do you now pay your nurses if minimum wage is 30 bucks an hour?

 

[unmitigated disaster]

And you can't see how impossible that would be? So from the article I googled the cost of living in Orlando some should have a salary of at least 89000 ( again I did not research heavily this number could be skewed. Just did a 5 minute Google). You really think 44/hr. Can be paid to a cashier? What about the high northeast where I live, guy pumping gas should then be pulling in around $62/hr.

Lol well I definitely wouldn't need to send the kiddos to college.

All jokes aside how as an economy do we make that happen? What happens to those farmers you spoke of if they know have to pay the janitor 40-50 bucks an hour. Health insurance? What do you now pay your nurses if minimum wage is 30 bucks an hour?

So your view is what, exactly? The status quo is good enough? $7.25: sounds good to me?

 

[Poseidon Quest]

So, what did you mean to say when you said that inflation hasn't kept up with the cost of living?

It's a poorly constructed sentence, but I'm assuming you were capable of taking the meaning.

From which business school did you graduate?

The facets of running a business are irrelevant here. Instead, the correct subject to that claim would be economics. American teachings of economics are, by and large useless cold war propaganda with no real value but have an undue amount of influence on an international scale. Having studied it, I've discovered that it's essentially astrology cloaked in pseudo-academic language.

 

[eliza61nyc]

So your view is what, exactly? The status quo is good enough? $7.25: sounds good to me?

Not at all. It's a very multi pronged approach.
So I'm going to repeat some things that are working here in Philadelphia. Remember this is the 5th largest city but we have the highest% of folks living in poverty.
One thing we did is used our federal stimulus money to help move people out of those positions. Home healthcare workers got money and help to become nursers aides AND temple university is helping them become RN. That's 600 folks who now are no longer stuck in low wage positions.
They also started a program that is helping servers become tradesmen (we have an aging infrastructure that needs plumbers/pipefitters) Haven't heard how that's going and we are trying to address the affordable rent issue.

I don't know the specifics of the new contract, but I heard the salary has been pumped up to 15/hr. So did they also talk about increasing the chances for advancement so they are in the same position 20 years from now??