Jon81uk
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Immersion
But they look so wide and open, where is the immersiviness?
Immersion
I haven’t been to the wdw version...but BS aside it’s exactly the same.I haven't vsited yet but from what I've seen there is a lot of strange design choices for Star Wars land on both coasts as well as DHS sepcifically. There are huge walkways, but only one smallish cantina that is overbooked, so plenty of room outside, but not enough capacity for the actual experiences. Should have built 2/3 cantina rooms.
When the initial hype dies off, what's the use of the large outdoor walkways? Also they should have built differently for both coasts to give DHS the option of expanding easier, right now Muppets would probably need to go to expand at all.
Toy Story land should have factored in an expansion pad and the new restaurant being built landlocks it even further as that would need to go/change to expand out that direction.
I’ll try to be reserved...but I still (opinion) assess it as Iger believing he could sell Abramsland based off an artificial box office result in 2015 and that the standard “a ride and a diversion” attraction scheme they used in NFL and Carsland would do...
Rescuers should get more Disney+ sequels.What about stuff from the 70s that's barely represented at the parks? Robin Hood gets some attention from the US parks occasionally, while the non-US Disney Parks (such as Paris and Tokyo) give more attention The Rescuers, The Aristocats and other obscure characters/films from the company.
I was gonna use diagon as the antithesis argument...but I didn’t want to soapboxOf course Diagon Alley at USO is also only one major ride, a transport ride and some shops, but the alley and the exteriors all feel correctly scaled. Same goes for Carsland really, the main street is about the width it needs to be for the Cars to drive down. Whereas StarWarsland just looks sparse in photos.
Well mgm was done “on the cheap” as a “feeder park”. That’s the history of it. TWDC was in a very different place when they pushed for its construction in 1986...is was a gamble to push for complex expansion at that time. Eisner was right as it turns out.
But since? That feeder model stopped making sense 20 years ago...
All the issues - both for Disney and the customers - would have been mitigated had they not done another half committed expansion project in 2015.
They can’t grow overall attendance without more park space longterm...and the parks will be heavily skewed toward magic kingdom forever at this rate. The only park that tried to fix this problem under Iger has been DAK. The other two haven’t been very well designed in this building “boom”
Not interested in blame...You can blame that on Chapek who moved the expansion away from where the parking lot expansion went, away from the hotel that was to be connected, and instead bulldozed part of the park.
Was that a pun or node to Catastrophic Canyon/Back lot tour?Not interested in blame...
It was a huge, catastrophic mistake.
Taking up the entire backlot to put in a bad concept “exclusive” hotel next to it that few will want...barring some miracle of reverse in course with Star Wars
Unintentional...I’m just THAT GOODWas that a pun or node to Catastrophic Canyon/Back lot tour?
Not interested in blame...
It was a huge, catastrophic mistake.
Taking up the entire backlot to put in a bad concept “exclusive” hotel next to it that few will want...barring some miracle of reverse in course with Star Wars
I assess that as a different scenario...It's much, much worse in DLR. That was the last significant expansion pad.
That is why I'm not a fan of clones. It creates the why go to DLR we have the same things. Keeping cars land out there, keeps us on this side of the mighty Mississippi wanting to make it out there to experience. The fact that Kevin Rafferty built it, is enough of a draw for me, but still. Disney needs to be better about certain things not being cloned.It's much, much worse in DLR. That was the last significant expansion pad.
What DO you want, then?
They thought it was “irresistible”...had to clone it.That is why I'm not a fan of clones. It creates the why go to DLR we have the same things. Keeping cars land out there, keeps us on this side of the mighty Mississippi wanting to make it out there to experience. The fact that Kevin Rafferty built it, is enough of a draw for me, but still. Disney needs to be better about certain things not being cloned.
That is why I'm not a fan of clones. It creates the why go to DLR we have the same things. Keeping cars land out there, keeps us on this side of the mighty Mississippi wanting to make it out there to experience. The fact that Kevin Rafferty built it, is enough of a draw for me, but still. Disney needs to be better about certain things not being cloned.
Well...that goes back to “creative choices” thenYep both coasts should have got a Star Wars land, but not the same Star Wars land.
Although even back in the seventies everyone was asking why there wasn't a Pirates of the Caribbean in Florida so by cloning Disney I suppose they just doing what many people want.
Yes. And this brings us back to the topic of "Cash-Strapped Disney." I still don't see the sort of radical measures that a company facing imminent demise might make. Tightening belts is one thing (layoffs, cutting Executive salaries, cancelling/mothballing projects), but no diversification, no acquisitions (and at this rate, not looking like a great buy for anyone else). Disney is still, in the face of the worst situation they've ever been in, just doing what they do- entertainment (theaters/parks) and media- which are now inherently risky. It doesn't make sense to me.Can’t agree more.
The sad reality is that those original movies - including Jedi before people get revisionist and stoopid - were actually much more than the sum of their parts to the audience. Whether they realize it or not.
The problem for Lucas and then disney is that the more they try to “adapt” the pathos...the farther they drift from it. And the money that created that is tied to Gen X. And we’re not dead yet or close.
The Disney “trilogy” has a large box office number...but yet still couldn’t have gone worse. In a weird way. Only Star Wars can do that.
I can’t stress how right this point is.
Disney has NEVER had a situation this bad that will impact their business like this. This tears at the very fabric of the consumer model Disney has lead the world in developing for 100 years.
The only...and I mean only...comparison is when they had to basically shutdown during ww2...that’s the only one close and it isn’t that close.
August 4 is the TWDC quarterly earnings report. Iger and Chapek will discuss company plans and update Wall Street on current state of company followed by Q&A. I suggest you listen to it.Yes. And this brings us back to the topic of "Cash-Strapped Disney." I still don't see the sort of radical measures that a company facing imminent demise might make. Tightening belts is one thing (layoffs, cutting Executive salaries, cancelling/mothballing projects), but no diversification, no acquisitions (and at this rate, not looking like a great buy for anyone else). Disney is still, in the face of the worst situation they've ever been in, just doing what they do- entertainment (theaters/parks) and media- which are now inherently risky. It doesn't make sense to me.
An important note: the covid bailout programs restrict corporations that received funds from layoffs/reductions through 9/30/20.Yes. And this brings us back to the topic of "Cash-Strapped Disney." I still don't see the sort of radical measures that a company facing imminent demise might make. Tightening belts is one thing (layoffs, cutting Executive salaries, cancelling/mothballing projects), but no diversification, no acquisitions (and at this rate, not looking like a great buy for anyone else). Disney is still, in the face of the worst situation they've ever been in, just doing what they do- entertainment (theaters/parks) and media- which are now inherently risky. It doesn't make sense to me.
I think it's required to tag @MisterPenguin whenever that dance at 4:33 is played...
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