News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Nickm2022]

Not sure why you think cars only has one small show building.

I say that because besides the mountain thingy and the actual queue/loadingunloading area the actual ride looks to be outside. Kinda like Barnstormer, but that said I could be wrong and I'm only going off of one piece of concept art

 

[Nickm2022]

It’s no more out of place than Splash (a ride meant to be based around Georgia) was and Tiana’s (a ride set in Louisiana) is.

Its very clear the purpose here is that Frontierland stops being explicitly visually themed to the wild west aesthetic with the random water ride outlier and instead begins to encompass all of the areas in which America expanded in the years of the frontier.

I agree. I also personally am ok making Frontierland being about American adventurers and natural beauty instead of the Wild West just because 1. I think MK has the worst FL and 2. It's not like TL AL or FL are themed around specific Tim periods in history. I think the only lands that need and should be themed around specific time periods are Liberty Square and Main Streets, and as long as those two aren't touched im ok with it. Plus I keep saying, it's not that Cars is replacing RoA is the issue, its how Disney went about it, and how they already knew it but choose to keep it a secret til after D23 that's the problem and shows they don't care. That said I actually like where they are going with FL.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I agree. I also personally am ok making Frontierland being about American adventurers and natural beauty instead of the Wild West just because 1. I think MK has the worst FL and 2. It's not like TL AL or FL are themed around specific Tim periods in history. I think the only lands that need and should be themed around specific time periods are Liberty Square and Main Streets, and as long as those two aren't touched im ok with it. Plus I keep saying, it's not that Cars is replacing RoA is the issue, its how Disney went about it, and how they already knew it but choose to keep it a secret til after D23 that's the problem and shows they don't care. That said I actually like where they are going with FL.

Modern Cars have no place zooming around the same landscape as 1850s Mine Trains and 1920s Bayou Food Factory Logs in a Canal (I guess that's what TBA is?). It's a total change to the dynamic of the area.

 

[Nickm2022]

Modern Cars have no place zooming around the same landscape as 1850s Mine Trains and 1920s Bayou Food Factory Logs in a Canal (I guess that's what TBA is?). It's a total change to the dynamic of the area.

I don't nessicarily disagree, more I'm saying if they wanna change the vision from a landscape of the same time period to a hodgepodge of similar stories (like princesses in FantasyL to now Adventurers in FrontierL) I personally am ok with it since I think the dynamic of the area as is isn't great. But agree to disagree just my opinion.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I think the dynamic of the area as is isn't great.

Definitely agree to disagree, especially on this point. And I'm sure there are lots of people with photos and videos of the picturesque Rivers of America to back me up on that.

 

[Nickm2022]

Definitely agree to disagree, especially on this point. And I'm sure there are lots of people with photos and videos of the picturesque Rivers of America to back me up on that.

That's true, and I will miss it. For me I just prefer the Paris and Anaheim version so much that ours just makes me sad. But to be fair that's most of the rides in MK that other parks also have. We tend to get the weaker versions of rides. Especially Pirates and Space Mountain

 

[JackCH]

That's true, and I will miss it. For me I just prefer the Paris and Anaheim version so much that ours just makes me sad. But to be fair that's most of the rides in MK that other parks also have. We tend to get the weaker versions of rides. Especially Pirates and Space Mountain

If they execute it well, then I'll be okay with this in part because of this reason. I would like for MK to start having some things that set it apart from the other MK-style parks. It often does feel like we always have the lamest version of every land, and at least this makes our Frontierland unique. So, if it is done well, with beautiful landscaping, and the Cars ride is good/great, then I'll be alright with it.

My main gripe honestly is I feel Cars would have been a nice land at HS, but now that ship has sailed.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

That's true, and I will miss it. For me I just prefer the Paris and Anaheim version so much that ours just makes me sad. But to be fair that's most of the rides in MK that other parks also have. We tend to get the weaker versions of rides. Especially Pirates and Space Mountain

Frontierland at DL is just BTM, shooting range, a restaurant and Golden horseshoe. The river is all NOS

 

[MisterPenguin]

Modern Cars have no place zooming around the same landscape as 1850s Mine Trains and 1920s Bayou Food Factory Logs in a Canal (I guess that's what TBA is?). It's a total change to the dynamic of the area.

There's a 70 year difference between 1850s and 1920s which is after WWI.

There's less of a temporal gap between the 1920s and Cars.

Not to mention that CBJ had songs from the 1950s and 60s.

Frontierland is no longer Davy Crockett and John Wayne Westerns. Never fully was to begin with (looking at you, Song of the South).

The cognitive dissonance would all go away if the land was renamed.

 

[Casper Gutman]

There is no name that can unify what Frontierland has become. You'd wind up with meaningless nonsense like "World Celebration."

 

[Sir_Cliff]

There is no name that can unify what Frontierland has become. You'd wind up with meaningless nonsense like "World Celebration."

Indeed. Unless there is a part of US history of which I am unaware where they expanded into an area inhabited by anthropomorphised cars where the landscape was also formed in the shape of cars, the new theme isn't just a broader take on the expansion of the American frontier.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

They're waiting to do the live action remake...

You think they're waiting since film 4 could be based on the land and theme.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

There is no name that can unify what Frontierland has become. You'd wind up with meaningless nonsense like "World Celebration."

Frontierland is a perfect name for what they're doing. The American frontier wasn't relegated to one specific geographical area, no matter how much theme parks and Hollywood wants to act like it was only the deserts of the wild west. It's now actually becoming a real representation of the various frontiers, not just cowboy land.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

That's true, and I will miss it. For me I just prefer the Paris and Anaheim version so much that ours just makes me sad. But to be fair that's most of the rides in MK that other parks also have. We tend to get the weaker versions of rides. Especially Pirates and Space Mountain

That's why I really, really hope as times goes on, they start to give MK more that is unique to MK. It's kind of crazy that as the most visited theme park in the world, it is comprised almost entirely of things you can find better versions of at various other Disney parks around the world. It's way past time that MK gets some things that only MK has. If the River has to go for that, I think in the long run, it's worth it.

 

[Bocabear]

That's true, and I will miss it. For me I just prefer the Paris and Anaheim version so much that ours just makes me sad. But to be fair that's most of the rides in MK that other parks also have. We tend to get the weaker versions of rides. Especially Pirates and Space Mountain

I would agree about Pirates, but our Space Mountain was built as the bigger better version...and I think still is in many ways... We just need the on-board audio and a refresh... WDW's version of Splash was also superior...and our Enchanted Tiki Room originally...

 

[JackCH]

That's why I really, really hope as times goes on, they start to give MK more that is unique to MK. It's kind of crazy that as the most visited theme park in the world, it is comprised almost entirely of things you can find better versions of at various other Disney parks around the world. It's way past time that MK gets some things that only MK has. If the River has to go for that, I think in the long run, it's worth it.

Our Adventureland is way worse than DL. Our Frontierland/Liberty Square/New Orleans Square area is worse (I sort of collapse those areas together). We don't have a SGE space currently in the park for that added capacity. I personally prefer the aesthetic of our FL, but there is more to do in DL's plus Matterhorn. Toontown is better than the Circus. DL's Main Street is better because at least it has an attraction. Is the only area that is arguably better at MK Tomorrowland with Tron? And even that is debatable?

Cars at least makes MK's Frontierland unique with its own E-Ticket. As long as it is done well, I think it will make the two Frontierlands a matter of preference, rather than one clearly being an inferior copy of the other.

Villains Land gives MK its own "Land" that no other park in the world has. I think that is a big deal. It is also MK's differentiator from SGE at DL.

Now we just need that new E-Ticket in Adventureland to "compete" with Indy, and then you might be able to say MK and DL are comparable parks that comes down to preference.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Frontierland is a perfect name for what they're doing. The American frontier wasn't relegated to one specific geographical area, no matter how much theme parks and Hollywood wants to act like it was only the deserts of the wild west. It's now actually becoming a real representation of the various frontiers, not just cowboy land.

Yes, most of the continent was considered the "frontier" at some point. There are few areas of the country Disney could have chosen that WEREN'T the frontier... and New Orleans is one of the bits that wasn't!

However, that's all besides the point, because theme parks in general and Magic Kingdom in particular operate on the level of hyperreality, the realer-then-real. The "frontier" is the frontier of the popular imagination, the red rock and deserts and tough little towns of John Ford and Hollywood. It's the "frontier" of a kid dreaming on Main Street in Marceline, Missouri. If you have to explain the concept, if you have to cite the works of James Fenimore Cooper to attempt to redefine a concept that is fundamental to the popular imagination, you've already missed the point of Disney World.

There is no way Cars in a national park or New Orleans in the 1920s can fit into the "frontier."

 

[ToTBellHop]

Yes, most of the continent was considered the "frontier" at some point. There are few areas of the country Disney could have chosen that WEREN'T the frontier... and New Orleans is one of the bits that wasn't!

However, that's all besides the point, because theme parks in general and Magic Kingdom in particular operate on the level of hyperreality, the realer-then-real. The "frontier" is the frontier of the popular imagination, the red rock and deserts and tough little towns of John Ford and Hollywood. It's the "frontier" of a kid dreaming on Main Street in Marceline, Missouri. If you have to explain the concept, if you have to cite the works of James Fenimore Cooper to attempt to redefine a concept that is fundamental to the popular imagination, you've already missed the point of Disney World. (And, as explained above, your explanation would be wrong anyway).

There is no way Cars in a national park or New Orleans in the 1920s can fit into the "frontier."

They should just set the land in New Jersey. Everyone agrees Jersey is still the Wild Wild West.

 

[JackCH]

They should just set the land in New Jersey. Everyone agrees Jersey is still the Wild Wild West.

Make it Star Trek themed. The Final Frontier.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The American frontier wasn't relegated to one specific geographical area,

Correct.

But once a geographical 'frontier' got 'settled,' it was no longer "The Frontier." At one time, Virginia was "The Frontier" to Colonialists. Then, it got 'settled.'

Part of the 'settling' of a 'frontier' was not only taming nature (building farms, herding herd animals, killing predators), but 'taming' the Native Population -- which is a shame of our nation's heritage. All the Old West movies that were around when I was growing up were about beating the Indians without mentioning that their land was being taken from them. But hey, it's "The Frontier" (without thinking a lick about what it actually was).

Then there's the absurdity of Americans not know American history -- not only in regard to the Native Population -- but thinking anything from the 1800s is "The Frontier."

Diamond Horseshoe is not "The Frontier." St. Louis Missouri was settled at the time of Riverboats. It wasn't a lawless outpost afraid of wolf or Indian attacks or banditos. A Mississippi Riverboat isn't The Frontier. Tom Sawyer isn't the Frontier. Reconstruction Georgia (Splash Mountain) wasn't "The Frontier." Bears singing songs from the 1950s and 1960s isn't "The Frontier."

Defending Frontierland as actually representing "The Frontier" even in a fantastical story-telling device is just a display of historical ignorance.

And if one wants to defend the fantastical version of a theme parks frontier in that it doesn't have to be realistic or historical, then one shouldn't blanch at attractions that lean into the fantastical like TBA or Piston Peak. Don't say Frontierland is a fantasy and then claim a new fantastical element doesn't adhere to the reality of The Frontier -- a reality that Frontierland never truly represented.

But what do I know. I'm just a pixie dusting shill that always defend everything Disney does. Look how I just defended Frontierland!!