Can We Agree to Stop Complaining Disney About Prices? Let's Talk Value

[BigTxEars]

I haven't paid to go to WDW since 2010.

Does that mean you have not gone or that you just don't pay when you do? Either way why would you care about MBs or FP+ then?

I do pay when I go so I want what I consider a value for my money, I get that already and with the new system I am getting more IMO. Again you might differ, we all do.

 

[BigTxEars]

That IS disputable, because I was at WDW in October and saw the lines myself, so I can dispute that.

If he says it is indisputable then that is what it is. His opinions is the only opinion and if yours differs it is because you don't know what you are talking about.....

Just trying to save him some time in his reply

I am going to PM him soon to see if he will start planning my trips for me, he clearly knows what I enjoy more than I do.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Does that mean you have not gone or that you just don't pay when you do? Either way why would you care about MBs or FP+ then?

I do pay when I go so I want what I consider a value for my money, I get that already and with the new system I am getting more IMO. Again you might differ, we all do.

The last 3 times I have been to WDW I have been comped in. And I don't really care about MBs or MM+.
We don't really go to WDW too much anymore.

 

[BigTxEars]

The last 3 times I have been to WDW I have been comped in. And I don't really care about MBs or MM+.
We don't really go to WDW too much anymore.

Fair enough.

As a paying still going kind of family we like the new system

 

[crazynakedguy]

That IS disputable, because I was at WDW in October and saw the lines myself, so I can dispute that.

well no since FPP wasn't fully rolled out in October.

Now you have more people using the fast pass system which makes the lines longer then you have rides such as Pirates of the Carribean where they now use the second side only for FPP. Thus increase the total line length.

 

[BigTxEars]

Now this I agree with completely. Fast Pass + is a step back, pretty much on every front unless you're just lazy and only care to ride once.

The old paper fast pass system was great. Short lines. Easy. Repeatable. As long as you were willing to go back to the attraction you could ride multiple times per day. Now, 3 per day makes it a step back for guests like me.

Under that ideal I can see why it would be a step back for a guest like you. It does not allow for a aggressive ride plan at the parks.

Not sure why I am lazy for liking the ability to do things well in advance of the trip but I certainly do not think of it like that. I think it is much more relaxing to be able to plan a few things out and then bump around the park the rest of the day knowing I will get to do my favorite things because I have FP+ for them.

As I said every system has it's pros and cons, those are different for different types of guest. I was never a fan of rushing to the PF machine the mooring of to get FPs. Felt like a rat race to me to be honest. I like a slower pace to my days at the parks. Maybe cause I am a old coot now

 

[crazynakedguy]

FP+ has me secured in knowing that the attractions I want to do I will do weeks in advance, not the day of. No uncertainty at all.

My ADRs and FPs will not collide, again sonething not known until the day of under the old way. I know this now weeks in advance.

We are already planning our park hopping around the FP +, under the old way we would not know when our times were until that day, making Hopping harder to plan.

Hot events like Frozen M&G would be a unknown to us under the old system, I now know we will be able to do it for sure with our FP+, A big improvement for us.

Everything being tied to the MB means no keys, no cards, no paper tickets, just the band to do everything, that's immersion to us.

The possibilities of the MB in the future are great, to tie a unique person to a band gives WDW the ability to do all types of immersive experiences.

The new system is a great improvement to us. If it is not to you that is fine. We all do the parks differently. No one system is going to fit everyone. The system is not going anywhere, I would try to adapt to it or find somewhere to spend my money that better fits my style of visiting. At least that is what I would do. I would not spend thousands of dollars if the trip made me unhappy.

Well you don't know for sure as even Ricky Berganty had trouble getting to meet Anna and Elsa heck the only reason he ended up getting to meet them was because he's a famous blogger. He's not the only one there are tons of people who have made the reservations on the website 6 months in advandce and on the day of there is no record of it.

But what I have gotten from this is that you only want to do 1 E-ticket ride per day.

Sorry but when I want to go to Magic Kingdom I want to do Space Mountain, Big Thunder, Pirates, and Splash Mountain. FPP does not in anyway guarentee that. Not to mention I am not sure of what time of the day I will want to do that as plans change.


There is nothing aggressive about wanting to do more then 1 E-ticket ride a day. In fact I take a very casual aproach to the parks. I have never once had to rush to the Fast Pass ticket booths in the morning.

I used to be a Annual Pass holder who lived only 2 hours away from Disney.

 

[Matt_Black]

well no since FPP wasn't fully rolled out in October.

Now you have more people using the fast pass system which makes the lines longer then you have rides such as Pirates of the Carribean where they now use the second side only for FPP. Thus increase the total line length.

Okay, cool. Just back that up with comprehensive photographic evidence or some other hard data so that no one can dispute it and I'll take back what I said.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Fair enough.

As a paying still going kind of family we like the new system

I'm glad. And I am pleased to hear from folks that have used it that it works for the most part. I don't really have a problem with the system per se. Just more the concept. I think WDW already requires too much planning to get the best out of the place.

 

[crazynakedguy]

Okay, cool. Just back that up with comprehensive photographic evidence or some other hard data so that no one can dispute it and I'll take back what I said.

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201401/3846/
there you go the old fast pass system was still in use until January of 2014.

and here you go for lines

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/is-fast-pass-plus-making-regular-wait-times-longer.880448/

apology accepted

 

[Goofyernmost]

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201401/3846/
there you go the old fast pass system was still in use until January of 2014.

and here you go for lines

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/is-fast-pass-plus-making-regular-wait-times-longer.880448/

apology accepted

How could anyone with one single working brain cell possibly think that quoting a discussion forum is irrefutable proof of anything. With a modicum of thought one would easily see that the lines and their times flex constantly everyday. Some days are busier then others, some are not. Even the witness of lines is only definable at the very moment in time that it is seen. An hour later if might not exist. There is NO proof of anything, available to anyone other then people within the organization that are in the need to know. Opinions are based and biased because of individuals beliefs and needs to justify or condemn whatever their personal mind set is.

 

[Matt_Black]

How could anyone with one single working brain cell possibly think that quoting a discussion forum is irrefutable proof of anything. With a modicum of thought one would easily see that the lines and their times flex constantly everyday. Some days are busier then others, some are not. Even the witness of lines is only definable at the very moment in time that it is seen. An hour later if might not exist. There is NO proof of anything, available to anyone other then people within the organization that are in the need to know. Opinions are based and biased because of individuals beliefs and needs to justify or condemn whatever their personal mind set is.

Quite right. In fact, you could say that opinions are easily... disputed?

 

[BigTxEars]

I'm glad. And I am pleased to hear from folks that have used it that it works for the most part. I don't really have a problem with the system per se. Just more the concept. I think WDW already requires too much planning to get the best out of the place.

Funny and odd thing is I really do not care for a lot of planning either. We used a touring plan the first time wewent, for less than 1 hour. We just stopped using it and never looked back. But with the crowds and way things are now I like having a basic outline of the day. If we could all shoot back in time and have no FP or ADRs for anyone etc I would be 100% fine with that. But in the reality of today at WDW I like the new system better than the previous one. Maybe it's because I am basically done planning before I even go so I can just enjoy the parks when I get there, where in the old system it seemed you had to plan your day as you got fast passes that day.

 

[BigTxEars]

Well you don't know for sure as even Ricky Berganty had trouble getting to meet Anna and Elsa heck the only reason he ended up getting to meet them was because he's a famous blogger. He's not the only one there are tons of people who have made the reservations on the website 6 months in advandce and on the day of there is no record of it.

But what I have gotten from this is that you only want to do 1 E-ticket ride per day.

Sorry but when I want to go to Magic Kingdom I want to do Space Mountain, Big Thunder, Pirates, and Splash Mountain. FPP does not in anyway guarentee that. Not to mention I am not sure of what time of the day I will want to do that as plans change.


There is nothing aggressive about wanting to do more then 1 E-ticket ride a day. In fact I take a very casual aproach to the parks. I have never once had to rush to the Fast Pass ticket booths in the morning.

I used to be a Annual Pass holder who lived only 2 hours away from Disney.

I am pretty darn comfy with the chance I will get my FP+ selections. No doubt the system has flukes, just any system does but those are vary rare with the 1000s of FP+s a day that work perfectly fine. I would guess Disney is still working out the bugs in some areas. That is to be expected in a new system of this size and scope. No fun being the test subjects but the rewards down the lines will be worth it IMO.

Under the old system riding those rides in a single day was not guaranteed either, the ability of getting FPs for them was based on crowd levels then just as it is now. Standby lines operate now just as they did before so riding those rides in a single day in certainly possible today as it was before. Crowd level still is the over riding determining factor. Just as it was before even the start of FPs.

The reason I used the word aggressive was the way you spoke of riding the same ride multiple times per day, we just don't do that. If you want to then that is perfectly understandable. It seems FP+ is changing as it grows and starting within days it will bw possible to get more FP+s after you use the ones you originally booked. So I would guess you could ride Space Mountain multiple times per day just like the original FP system.

Either way FP+ and MM are not going anywhere so we all should learn to use them to best suite or visiting style.

 

[BigTxEars]

http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201401/3846/
there you go the old fast pass system was still in use until January of 2014.

and here you go for lines

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/is-fast-pass-plus-making-regular-wait-times-longer.880448/

apology accepted

OK you can't like a thread of opinions as proof that your opinion is correct, that's internet forum 101

 

[crazynakedguy]

OK you can't like a thread of opinions as proof that your opinion is correct, that's internet forum 101

How could anyone with one single working brain cell possibly think that quoting a discussion forum is irrefutable proof of anything. With a modicum of thought one would easily see that the lines and their times flex constantly everyday. Some days are busier then others, some are not. Even the witness of lines is only definable at the very moment in time that it is seen. An hour later if might not exist. There is NO proof of anything, available to anyone other then people within the organization that are in the need to know. Opinions are based and biased because of individuals beliefs and needs to justify or condemn whatever their personal mind set is.

Quite right. In fact, you could say that opinions are easily... disputed?

OK you can't like a thread of opinions as proof that your opinion is correct, that's internet forum 101

helps if you guys actually read the thread. Lines are longer due to the fact that more people are using Fast Pass + and Fast Pass + takes longer then the tickets did in the past.

The real proof is in the fact that rides such as Journey to Imagination, Under the Sea with Nemo and others now actually have lines. Attractions that used to be walk on are no longer due to the Fast Pass + system pretty much forcing people to ride them.

 

[BigTxEars]

helps if you guys actually read the thread. Lines are longer due to the fact that more people are using Fast Pass + and Fast Pass + takes longer then the tickets did in the past.

The real proof is in the fact that rides such as Journey to Imagination, Under the Sea with Nemo and others now actually have lines. Attractions that used to be walk on are no longer due to the Fast Pass + system pretty much forcing people to ride them.

So if its forcing people to ride them that means those people are not riding something else at that time correct? So there must be shorter lines for something.

It's here to stay, those of us who like it are happy about it, those who don't are not. That is just the fact of being a park like WDW, way too many types of guest to please with a single system.

Why would I want to read that thread you linked, it's the same old pro FP+ and anti FP+ stuff that is on a dozen threads. And it's just people opinions, nothing more or less. Let's face it 90% of the people who have a opinion about FP+ are not going to change their mind about it. They have different ways they like to visit the parks so of course they see FP+ differently. Nobody know what exactly FP+ will look like 6 months form now much less 2 years from now. Heck it is changing even as we post on this thread.

 

[crazynakedguy]

So if its forcing people to ride them that means those people are not riding something else at that time correct? So there must be shorter lines for something.

It's here to stay, those of us who like it are happy about it, those who don't are not. That is just the fact of being a park like WDW, way too many types of guest to please with a single system.

Why would I want to read that thread you linked, it's the same old pro FP+ and anti FP+ stuff that is on a dozen threads. And it's just people opinions, nothing more or less. Let's face it 90% of the people who have a opinion about FP+ are not going to change their mind about it. They have different ways they like to visit the parks so of course they see FP+ differently. Nobody know what exactly FP+ will look like 6 months form now much less 2 years from now. Heck it is changing even as we post on this thread.

No you are under the assumption that the time required to load people on rides is the same if you bothered to read the links you would understand thats not true. So what you end up with is some lines apear to be the same say Pirates of the Carribean has a 40 min wait but in that 40 mins fewer people are getting on it due to only one line being open. The other line would would have doubled capacity is now only used for Fast pass +.

So those other people are now riding something that used to be a walk on ride thus making that line longer

I wouldn't count on it being here to stay. Spending 2 billion with no chance of ever recouping that money is not something investors want to see. Then factor in the millions required for upkeep and it might end up getting the chopping block.

There is a reason why not a single other disney park in the entire world has started to add a fast pass + system.

 

[Goofyernmost]

There is a reason why not a single other disney park in the entire world has started to add a fast pass + system.

Yet!!! It will happen though. Count on it.

 

[crazynakedguy]

Yet!!! It will happen though. Count on it.

no it really won't all of the other parks refused it.