Rumor Bye Bye (Tiki) Birdies?

Otterhead

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But the constant attempts to "fix" it or update it have met with nothing but disaster.
The current show is nearly identical to the original, with the exception of a slightly-briefer song and the absence of the fountain. Can you explain why you think that's a "disaster"?

But lets not mistake opinion with fact.

That'd be a good start. As well as not presenting your own opinions as that of the entire park-going public.
 

lazyboy97o

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Why does everyone egt up in arms when they decide to make changes or shut down things to make improvements? Or at least we hope they are improvements. Noone even knows what the plan is and people are already complaining. Complaining about losing an attraction that most people could care less about. The remake of several areas in all of the parks was inevitable and necessary. And even though people clamor for change, most hate change. With the mass amount of ideas they have at their disposal, and there are tons, why not wait and see.
It is an opinion but do you think they would be removing an attraction if they did nto feel they had space or an attraction not being maximized? Come on. The Tikki room in iots original form was great and has a nostalgia that cant be replaced. But the constant attempts to "fix" it or update it have met with nothing but disaster. I dont really care if you like or agree with my opinion. Everyone has an opinion. But lets not mistake opinion with fact. Opinion..Most people could care less..Fact- It is being taken out for business reasons to be replaced by something the company deems more valuable to them and to provide a better option for the guests. How about that???
The fact is that all four Walt Disney World theme parks lack capacity and have strained attractions per guest per hour beyond what anyone would say makes for a good guest experience.
 

Bocabear

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well it worries me because in their mind it was a guest improvement to remove the Snow White's Adventures (which was very popular) and replace it with a Princess Hug Zone, which they deemed to be a better option for the guests... and maybe it is for some... but for me, it diminished the experience.
 

ABQ

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But the constant attempts to "fix" it or update it have met with nothing but disaster.

The current show is nearly identical to the original, with the exception of a slightly-briefer song and the absence of the fountain. Can you explain why you think that's a "disaster"?
Further, what "Constant attempts"? I know the Under New Management and the one fire, but I don't believe it's had many other attempts at fixing or updating. Well perhaps happens fixing broken AA's, but that's about it. In the number of years it's been there, I don't see how it could be considered a fact that it's been constantly updated.
 

Goob

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well it worries me because in their mind it was a guest improvement to remove the Snow White's Adventures (which was very popular) and replace it with a Princess Hug Zone, which they deemed to be a better option for the guests... and maybe it is for some... but for me, it diminished the experience.

What year did they close Snow White? I was wondering that the other day.
 

Bocabear

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They Closed Snow White's Adventures back before the opening of the FLE, and replaced it with Fairytale Hall Princess Meet & Greet.
 

rushtest4echo

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My two cents:

The wife and I usually see a Tiki Room Show about once every 3 months. Since the rehab that tightened up the show time, we've noticed that most of the show elements have been in great shape and good working order. However, if we visit within the first 2 or last 2 hours of the daily schedule (which is usually less than park hours), the place is deserted. We've been in 2 or 3 shows over the past year where we were the only people in the theater. Kind of cool, but also kind of depressing. I have a feeling that if the Tiki Room was located where Disneyland's is, there would be more visitation. But that's sadly not the case. Right now, I'd estimate that the show brings in less than 10,000 visitors per day which is simply unacceptable for anything not named Astro Oribiter. Even Stitch usually broke 10,000.

I'm not sure how they'd make the attraction more palatable for a wider audience though. I think tightening up the show made it a bit less boring for kids, and it's not falling apart or in dire need of refurbishment. I really don't know what the solution is. Even Disneyland considered shuttering the Tiki Room for a few decades between the 90's and 2000's (all discussion of that seems to be gone now since the park is just murdered with AP's and locals who patronize the Tiki Room far more than visitors seem to here at MK.

In an ideal world, I'd love to see them keep it going even if attendance isn't great. However, being realistic I can see it either being refitted to the Stitch show (UGH) or going with something related to Moana (which I wouldn't automatically dismiss/oppose like 99% of the hardcore people here, hah- as long as it's a decent replacement like Frozen I'd be satisfied). I'd be very disappointed if this were simply turned into a Meet & Greet although if the demand is there for that kind of thing then sadly I think that's a direction they'll look at.

I wonder if converting this to a dining experience might actually solve the problems. Maybe run the attraction from 9-3 every day, then do food service/dinner shows from 4 to closing. It seems like even the lesser visited dining experiences at MK are open somewhat regularly now, so having another might be in the cards. It seems like most of the reservation/table service offerings at MK are consistently booked full, so having another option doesn't seem unreasonable (aside from the Skipper Canteen being right there).

Keep in mind: Adventureland is actually the next land slated for a significant retooling, despite all of the rumors about Frontierland/Liberty Square/Tomorrowland attractions.
 

larandtra

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That'd be a good start. As well as not presenting your own opinions as that of the entire park-going public.
Relax a little bit Francis. Everyone on here has opinions. Wait, could that be because its a public forum? Probably so. Whether you agree, like, disagree, dislike, matters not one little bit and if thats an issue for you, maybe you should stop taking things so seriously. Everyone speaks in generalities from time to time and Im sure you are not better than anyone else and do ti yourself as well. Give it a rest.

The fact is that all four Walt Disney World theme parks lack capacity and have strained attractions per guest per hour beyond what anyone would say makes for a good guest experience.
Absolutely and the fact they ARE making changes and tryiong to alleviate a problem they have aided in creating over the years with the bad decisions ( Stitch), lack of direction at times, should be a good sign. Why not wait and see before deciding that anything they do is not a good idea?
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lazyboy97o

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Absolutely and the fact they ARE making changes and tryiong to alleviate a problem they have aided in creating over the years with the bad decisions ( Stitch), lack of direction at times, should be a good sign. Why not wait and see before deciding that anything they do is not a good idea?
Minimal net changes do not alleviate the problem they created. And just saying "a problem they have aided in creating" completely undermines your position.
 

CJR

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Believe me. Adventureland has a bit of a curse of layout with JC and Pirates pinching off expansion plots like a spliceosome. (Thankfully) JC is not on the chopping block, but (sadly) they have a wide variety of underrepresented IP just begging to be in Adventureland (and would be if not for space), such as Tarzan, Lion King (already in AK), Jungle Book, Moana, etc. It will (at the very least) fit better than carpets.

Not to mention, Pirates has become IP and Jungle Cruise looks to be on the way. Really, the whole land will be IP in the end (which is sad, IMHO).
 

disneyC97

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I can't imagine based on some of the more trusted posters on this site that it isn't Moana moving into this space...perhaps a similar "attraction" as Enchanted Tales? Maybe incorporating some of the birds and tikis hence cutting down on AA maintenance? Whatever it is I'm sad.
 

larandtra

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Minimal net changes do not alleviate the problem they created. And just saying "a problem they have aided in creating" completely undermines your position.
Undermine what position? I wasnt aware I was taking any position other than wait and see before whining or passing judgement? Personally, to me its a cute nostalgic attraction but, based on issues in capacity around the parks, if they remove it in order to replace it with something that helps the bigger problem, then why would I have an issue with it? If noone has any idea what they ARE doing, how can you be so sure it wont be better than what is already present? You are "assuming" they dont know what they are doing. I would suggest that even with the missteps they take from time to time, the apparent new direction is to heavily move to improve the parks. They have tons and tons of ideas and options and if they need to balance out the $ with what will give the guests the best experience, then I am ok with it. While we wont get everything we could dream of for the parks, we should get some. And sometimes hard decisions have to be made. It is business and is no different in any other guest driven industry. So there is no position to "undermine". Its merely more sitting and kind of chuckling at people who constantly complain about management not doing anything or making bonehead decisions which happens in EVERY industry ( new coke is a prime example), then when they start to make hard decisions and fasttrack improving the parks, the same people complain even more because it s not what THEY would do. I control the budget and money for a large company so I understand the concept of ROI and what it takes to make customers happy, while still maintaining a profitable business. Too many people say well they should just do this without understanding the market conditions, business aspects, or what it takes to recoup initial investment. Management has done what they had to do to fix and revive the Movie and studio side of Disney that was buried under the last regime. And in order to do that, they have indeed let the parks slide down the list. Appears to me now that the studios are back to what they should be, they have turned their attention and have the money now to begin addressing park issues. Wouldnt have the $ to work with if the studios werent fixed first. But I digress. My position isnt undermined because I think you misunderstand what my position is. Hopefully I clarified it for you.
 

Tiki Queen of Outer Space

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THE TIKI ROOM DISCOURSE!!! IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!
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larandtra

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And, as I say, you're assuming everyone else shares yours. And then insulting people when they disagree with you.

That's an awesome way to get blocked!
I didnt assume anything. Im basing my opinion on two things: The people I know who go pretty regularly, live there and go a ton, AP holders I know well, Employees, etc who all feel that way about the attraction. it is what it is based on my own observance of opinions from those I know. And second the actual number of guests who go to it. So yes an opinion based on my own observations. Im sure you feel the same way about some attractions in the park and could make the same justified opinion based on observation and the people you talk to. I didnt insult anyone, if you took the francis comment as an insult maybe you are a bit too thin skinned.

And as far as getting blocked..Wow. Thats pretty childish in itself, comparable to unfriending someone. I have not cursed, I have not insulted you. I merely stated an opinion with which you responded with a smarmy response. I continued the discussion as an adult and restated my position and explained it. Agree to disagree. but blocking someone who you merely disagree with is beyond childish.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
Nah capitalism is the free market and goods and services being bought in a fair competition environment.


Was pretty full last time I went....on off sesson....sooooo

nope

"an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."

Theres no concept of fair competition. Consider Trademarks, Patents, and Copyrights...
 

Kman101

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I dont really care if you like or agree with my opinion. Everyone has an opinion. But lets not mistake opinion with fact. Opinion..Most people could care less..Fact- It is being taken out for business reasons to be replaced by something the company deems more valuable to them and to provide a better option for the guests. How about that???

Oh that's funny. You keep doing you.
 

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