Bus driver shortages here to stay for at least the near future

Minnesota disney fan

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DME was always jobbed out but on site was usually regular CM's. If this had happened about 10 years ago, I would have been at their doorstep even as we speak. I'm getting a little long in the tooth, but I can still drive well and hold my Commercial Drivers License. Well, at least until this July when I was planning to just go back to a regular old drab "Drivers License". I think it is time to stop even thinking about driving a bus.
If you like driving, then why stop? Age is a number, as I tell my husband, LOL.
Really, if you enjoy driving and are still good at it, then it's okay to do it at any age, except maybe 100 LOL.
You can always quit if it's not what you want. My point is: don't let "age" stop you from doing what you love, and you get all the perks of working for Disney.
 

AEfx

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Wow, rarely have I seen so many pages so quickly of uninformed statements around here. Especially the ones that think driving a bus is some unskilled labor you can just replace like a fry cook or sweeper.

There is currently a massive shortage of CDL-certified drivers nation wide. Disney is not immune to this to begin with, let alone the unique challenges that one has working for Disney.

A CDL license is a very valuable thing right now, and frankly - Disney pays for crap still, and certified drivers can make much more an hour than Disney is paying, using their CDL elsewhere, and not having to deal with 1000's of unruly theme park guests and being crammed into busses with people from all over the world every day. Most CDL passenger jobs also have tips included (tours, etc.), and/or much higher hourly pay for non-passenger CDL jobs.

The truth is, the "I want to work for Disney so I put up with the low pay and everything else" folks that Disney has always relied upon have largely moved on to better paid pastures. Working at Disney because "it's Disney" is much less attractive right now than ever, when you weigh in the risks and costs vs. what you get out of it. Disney relied on this far too long, and it's jobs like this where you are really going to see this first.
 

NelsonRD

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Wow, rarely have I seen so many pages so quickly of uninformed statements around here. Especially the ones that think driving a bus is some unskilled labor you can just replace like a fry cook or sweeper.

There is currently a massive shortage of CDL-certified drivers nation wide. Disney is not immune to this to begin with, let alone the unique challenges that one has working for Disney.

A CDL license is a very valuable thing right now, and frankly - Disney pays for crap still, and certified drivers can make much more an hour than Disney is paying, using their CDL elsewhere, and not having to deal with 1000's of unruly theme park guests and being crammed into busses with people from all over the world every day. Most CDL passenger jobs also have tips included (tours, etc.), and/or much higher hourly pay for non-passenger CDL jobs.

The truth is, the "I want to work for Disney so I put up with the low pay and everything else" folks that Disney has always relied upon have largely moved on to better paid pastures. Working at Disney because "it's Disney" is much less attractive right now than ever, when you weigh in the risks and costs vs. what you get out of it. Disney relied on this far too long, and it's jobs like this where you are really going to see this first.

I agree. But training to get the CDL is not the issue. I have pointed out before that there are adult education, and training classes in the trades that is either free or cheap - driving, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, cooking, and the list goes on. The problem is the motivation, and unwillingness to work in certain positions. I am arguing there is a need for drivers, and a living can be made doing it, but people choose not to, because they don't want to.
 

AEfx

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I agree. But training to get the CDL is not the issue. I have pointed out before that there are adult education, and training classes in the trades that is either free or cheap - driving, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, cooking, and the list goes on. The problem is the motivation, and unwillingness to work in certain positions. I am arguing there is a need for drivers, and a living can be made doing it, but people choose not to, because they don't want to.

What do you do for a living? Since you are making post after post criticizing other people for not taking the jobs to serve you, I think we all are very curious as to what you do.
 

AEfx

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And the ones who were left and quickly laid off have found better paying and/ or easier cdl jobs in the Orlando area.
That's exactly my point. Disney expects way more than any other employer, yet they don't pay for it. What many of us have been predicting would happen with WDW labor has finally happened - it was just greatly sped up by the pandemic. The charm of working for the mouse for less than you can make elsewhere is quickly coming to an end.
 

Lilofan

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Wow, rarely have I seen so many pages so quickly of uninformed statements around here. Especially the ones that think driving a bus is some unskilled labor you can just replace like a fry cook or sweeper.

There is currently a massive shortage of CDL-certified drivers nation wide. Disney is not immune to this to begin with, let alone the unique challenges that one has working for Disney.

A CDL license is a very valuable thing right now, and frankly - Disney pays for crap still, and certified drivers can make much more an hour than Disney is paying, using their CDL elsewhere, and not having to deal with 1000's of unruly theme park guests and being crammed into busses with people from all over the world every day. Most CDL passenger jobs also have tips included (tours, etc.), and/or much higher hourly pay for non-passenger CDL jobs.

The truth is, the "I want to work for Disney so I put up with the low pay and everything else" folks that Disney has always relied upon have largely moved on to better paid pastures. Working at Disney because "it's Disney" is much less attractive right now than ever, when you weigh in the risks and costs vs. what you get out of it. Disney relied on this far too long, and it's jobs like this where you are really going to see this first.
Some savvy ones work at WDW since Disney pays for their CDL training then boom once they get it some leave for greener pastures.
 

NelsonRD

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What do you do for a living? Since you are making post after post criticizing other people for not taking the jobs to serve you, I think we all are very curious as to what you do.
How am I criticizing other people for not serving me? My point is sometimes you have to remove the 'want' aspect from making a living, and you have to do a job. That is why they call it work.

I am in engineering. And, I am forced to work on projects I do not 'want' to. Should I have the flexibility of only working on projects I want to?
 

Lilofan

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And the thing is, basically EVERYWHERE is doing that now, which is increasing the competition. And those are places that have starting pay well over $20/hr.
That's good for the future truck driver. Back in the day, I knew some that had to pay for their CDL training on their own when they went to truck driving school, then afterwards they applied for job openings in their city or elsewhere.
 

Lilofan

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If you’re being forced to work that’s called slavery.
Forced labor mindset is what my former peer used when he selected some undocumented males who stand and wait by the local Home Depot on weekends looking for some to hire them for manual labor. When the guys he brought to his job site were doing his requested manual labor job, he advised them in Spanish the job must be completed to his satisfaction or else he will call ICE on them.
 

Lilofan

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That is a forced leap.

I'll just tell my boss next time I do not 'want' to do the documentation for the effort because I am an engineer and not an English major, and we'll see how that shakes out.
If anyone advises me that, their future in my work group will be looking limited.
 

Goofyernmost

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If you like driving, then why stop? Age is a number, as I tell my husband, LOL.
Really, if you enjoy driving and are still good at it, then it's okay to do it at any age, except maybe 100 LOL.
You can always quit if it's not what you want. My point is: don't let "age" stop you from doing what you love, and you get all the perks of working for Disney.
Age is a number, but it also is a condition. Usually, thankfully, it is an issue that one can work through and continue on doing normal things, but sometimes it's hard to just walk across the floor, most times it is workable. I just don't want to be one of those that are there one day, gone the next then back again. I don't want to do anything unless I can be relied upon to be there and do it. I haven't lost my reflexes or my skills and I would love to deal with just being a back-up. Call me if you need me, but also give me the opportunity to say, sorry, I can't make it in today without being threatened with being let go because of it. Those are not easy to find.
 

Lilofan

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If you like driving, then why stop? Age is a number, as I tell my husband, LOL.
Really, if you enjoy driving and are still good at it, then it's okay to do it at any age, except maybe 100 LOL.
You can always quit if it's not what you want. My point is: don't let "age" stop you from doing what you love, and you get all the perks of working for Disney.
I believe all drivers get tested every so often in their driving profession not just Disney. If they fail some of the basics then it is time to look for another job.
 

Goofyernmost

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I believe all drivers get tested every so often in their driving profession not just Disney. If they fail some of the basics then it is time to look for another job.
Well, if you are talking skills testing, no they do not test anymore then having a supervisor ride with you and determine if you are doing what the company wants you to do, public service wise. It isn't hard to find out if someone has no skills left. They do get tested but mostly for vision or other medical problems (if they are going to be driving interstate) I had to have a physical every year because I had High Blood Pressure until I had my license specifically stating intrastate only. I am going to renew my CDL this week and all I am going to do is an eye test and should be issued another license for six more years. I'll be 79 by the next one. That is the only testing I have had for the last 6 years. As far as driving skills are concerned, unless you have a lot of accidents or other driving no - no's there is no major testing. I've had my CDL for nearly 20 years now and only the original road test. Companies do usually insist on a regular physical, but if you aren't working at the time of renewal, no one cares.
 

Goofyernmost

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It’s not been the case for years now.
Especially not for bus driving, that is not considered a glamour job, that is a skilled job like plumbing. No glory in driving. You are not in the show, you just bring people to the show and back. After the mandate for being entertaining while driving priority was dropped for very good safety reasons, it was just a job but far more pleasant the driving buses in inner cities. If one came from a northern municipal busing company and had been there for awhile, the pay difference was ginormous so unless they were looking for part time retirement work, it wasn't all that much of a draw.

When I started as a new bus driver in 2003 the union rate of pay was $16.00 per hour, after one year if you cut the mustard, it jumped to $21.00 per hour and then went up steadily with each Union contract agreement. When I left in 2010 drivers were making $28.00 per hour and all kinds of overtime was available. Some senior drivers that had the same basic rate of pay were pulling down $70K+ per year. Then they asked about Disney. I don't know what it is now but I do know that drivers that have been driving for years down here in the good old south were still at around $15.00 an hour. Not much incentive to sign on unless it was a retirement gig.
 

Lilofan

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Well, if you are talking skills testing, no they do not test anymore then having a supervisor ride with you and determine if you are doing what the company wants you to do, public service wise. It isn't hard to find out if someone has no skills left. They do get tested but mostly for vision or other medical problems (if they are going to be driving interstate) I had to have a physical every year because I had High Blood Pressure until I had my license specifically stating intrastate only. I am going to renew my CDL this week and all I am going to do is an eye test and should be issued another license for six more years. I'll be 79 by the next one. That is the only testing I have had for the last 6 years. As far as driving skills are concerned, unless you have a lot of accidents or other driving no - no's there is no major testing. I've had my CDL for nearly 20 years now and only the original road test. Companies do usually insist on a regular physical, but if you aren't working at the time of renewal, no one cares.
Long haul truck drivers have a challenging job. I was using the bathroom facilities at a truck rest stop one summer about 10 years ago in the Carolinas and when I walked by a truck a driver came out of his cab to check on his engine compartment only dressed wearing an adult diaper .
 

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