BOG Lunch Confusion - Clarification Needed

TinkandCrew

Active Member
Original Poster
Except the park and hotels do not live in vacuums from each other. You're arguing Disney World should not be Disney World, but rather a bunch of independent, isolated co-residents.

You're arguing Disney shouldn't be promoting Disney's own products.

With almost 9,000 messages on this site, you are obviously a Disney fanatic who would argue on their behalf "to infinity and beyond". I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying that if my park experience is not at an equivalent level as on site guests, then I should have a discounted park pass for the discounted experience I'm getting. :hungover:
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
With almost 9,000 messages on this site, you are obviously a Disney fanatic who would argue on their behalf "to infinity and beyond". I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying that if my park experience is not at an equivalent level as on site guests, then I should have a discounted park pass for the discounted experience I'm getting. :hungover:

Well your opinion flies in the face of nearly all marketing and operations... even outside Disney. And if you think my post count reflects infinite praise for Disney.. you might want to do some more homework before putting foot in mouth.

You're free to your opinion - doesn't make it sane or agreeable.
 

mattdenine

Well-Known Member
I don't know what the big deal is BOG lunch is still in a test phase and staying on site doesn't even guarantee you can get a FP for it.
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
Premium Member
I guess I'm a bit confused. Since you can stand in line still eat lunch there, how is your experience less than someone else for the over-all park experience??? On our last visit, fp+ was available for BOG, and even though we opted to stand in line, we were inside within 15 minutes. You can still eat there for lunch, so I cannot see why it is such a big deal.

If you are going to say that not being able to fp+ a lunch is a lesser experience, why aren't you complaining that resort guests get to enter a park one hour earlier than you (even though you paid the same price as everyone else), and can stay later than you on certain days as well. I would think that would be a bigger gripe with off-site guests than not being able to fp+ a lunch. JMHO.
 

Ember

Well-Known Member
You can still eat there for lunch, so I cannot see why it is such a big deal.
That's the part that I don't get either. It's not like Disney has a restaurant that is exclusively for resort guests, it's for everyone. It would be like someone at Universal complaining about people who paid extra for fast pass or complaining about being denied entry to the Disney chase meet and greet because you don't have a chase card. I just don't understand the mentality. I've stayed off site plenty of times and never felt like I was being cheated. I was saving money by not paying for a Disney room and that's the choice I made. It was my "discount". You pay to stay on site, you get the perks of staying onsite. Period. You choose not to stay on site then suck it up buttercup.
 

MissAndroid

New Member
I'm planning a trip in December and decided to do some math. The cost of a single day Magic Kingdom ticket without a hotel package is $99 ($105.44 with taxes). With a package its $106.84 ($113.78 with taxes). I guess you already are paying less.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
With almost 9,000 messages on this site, you are obviously a Disney fanatic who would argue on their behalf "to infinity and beyond". I'm not arguing anything. I'm saying that if my park experience is not at an equivalent level as on site guests, then I should have a discounted park pass for the discounted experience I'm getting. :hungover:
Because it stands to reason post count = praise?

As far as I'm concerned, be happy this is as far as it goes. Disney bean counters have been itching for decades to poop on Walt's beloved concept of everyone being treated equally once they're in the confines of the theme park. They've wanted to tier fastpasses so that people on site get more than offsite, and the nicer the resort the more you get. The fact that they're trying it out on a restaurant at lunchtime doesn't make me happy but to insist that's the line they dare not cross and it's putting you off WDW for life is asinine. Depending on the time of day and time of year you go you might not even need 'em. But the fact that you want 'em and can't have 'em so you scoff at people who can get 'em makes those grapes smell mighty sour.
 

popcenturylover

Well-Known Member
Please tell me how an off-site guest is paying any less than I have on-site? I compared prices my last 2 trips & I might have saved $100 or $200 but, getting EMH, Disney transportation, close to the "Magic", etc. is totally worth it to me! We look for deals & go with that. IMHO we aren't paying more staying on-site. Of course maybe, if you stay Deluxe you are but, not Value or Mod. Staying off-site you have to use your car/pay for parking daily, or use less than stellar transportation, resort fees, staying away from the "Magic", no EMH, no 180+, etc., etc.
 

Polydweller

Well-Known Member
Because it stands to reason post count = praise?

As far as I'm concerned, be happy this is as far as it goes. Disney bean counters have been itching for decades to poop on Walt's beloved concept of everyone being treated equally once they're in the confines of the theme park. They've wanted to tier fastpasses so that people on site get more than offsite, and the nicer the resort the more you get. The fact that they're trying it out on a restaurant at lunchtime doesn't make me happy but to insist that's the line they dare not cross and it's putting you off WDW for life is asinine. Depending on the time of day and time of year you go you might not even need 'em. But the fact that you want 'em and can't have 'em so you scoff at people who can get 'em makes those grapes smell mighty sour.
Walt never did treat people equally. I was there in the 50's and 60's. You got what you paid for. There were lots of things you paid for once you got in, including every restaurant. And, you got a book of tickets. Run out of E tickets and you bought a new book, if you could pay for it. Walt ran Disneyland to make money and he knew all the tricks. And don't forget Club 33 which was his idea. Walt had an 'Uncle Walt' public personna but read a bit and you'll discover the ruthless businessman he could be.
 

slappy magoo

Well-Known Member
Walt never did treat people equally. I was there in the 50's and 60's. You got what you paid for. There were lots of things you paid for once you got in, including every restaurant. And, you got a book of tickets. Run out of E tickets and you bought a new book, if you could pay for it. Walt ran Disneyland to make money and he knew all the tricks. And don't forget Club 33 which was his idea. Walt had an 'Uncle Walt' public personna but read a bit and you'll discover the ruthless businessman he could be.

Yeah I know about what a hard case Walt could be, and that there's always been some perks for VIPs, but your comparisons still aren't exactly apt.
1: Restaurants - whatever you were ordering in the restaurant, as long as you were ordering, you were fine. A person ordering a steak didn't necessarily get a better table than someone ordering a burger. Likewise, ordering food in the park was not a requirement of getting in the park. Your comparison would seem to argue that either meals should have been included with the cost of the ticket or people who didn't buy food would be subject to eviction. I remember a trip to DL with my family when I was 7, the youngest of 5, my dad was a cop so our funds were limited (for example, he bought a junked up microbus, restored it, used it to drive us from NJ to Cali and back, we stayed with relatives, and when the trip was over he sold the microbus and that paid for the trip). When dinnertime came, we went back to the parking lot, broke out the cooler, sandwiches and chips and soda/juice for everyone, we went back in with no hassle from The Man...unless those ice creams we got was a concession. Literally.)
2: Tickets - yes, wealthier people could afford to buy more tickets and go one more rides or ride certain attractions more times, but generally speaking they couldn't buy a EE ticket that gave them priority in line over someone an E ticket. Meanwhile, people could walk around and enjoy all the street entertainment and parades without ever paying for a ride ticket.
3: Club 33 - was just that, a "club" that was on park grounds. Somewhat of an island unto itself, an embassy that didn't follow the rules of the rest of the park.

Walt knew how to make money, but he also employed the more-flies-with-honey technique quite a bit too, getting people into the park and then creating such a "magical" place people didn't care about the money flying out of their wallets. Conversely, the pay-one-price-ride-all-you-want standard now may seem more egalitarian, but the prices certainly don't just keep in line with inflation.
 

KingdomofDreams

Well-Known Member
All Disney is going to do is give off site places the perk of us eating at their establishment instead, when they could have kept us inside the park. Too much punishment for not being a "Disney Resort Guest". It's a real turn off for me. My park pass entrance should have nothing to do with where I sleep at night.

Since I am not having the perks of on site guest, but I paid the same park pass price...I should have gotten a discounted park pass.

I can't wait to go back to being a Royal Caribbean cruiser....they know how to treat their guests!

I guess you don't care for the Universal parks either? Their resort guests get unlimited front of the line access without having to schedule anything. Disney's advance FP+ booking for resort guests pales in comparison. They also get priority seating at all US/IOA/and most, if not all, City Walk restaurants. Like it or not, it's the way of business in today's world. And with the excessively high rates Disney charges for their resort rooms, they've really needed to step up their game and offer some tangible benefits to make those rates more palatable.
 

KingdomofDreams

Well-Known Member
Walt never did treat people equally. I was there in the 50's and 60's. You got what you paid for. There were lots of things you paid for once you got in, including every restaurant. And, you got a book of tickets. Run out of E tickets and you bought a new book, if you could pay for it. Walt ran Disneyland to make money and he knew all the tricks. And don't forget Club 33 which was his idea. Walt had an 'Uncle Walt' public personna but read a bit and you'll discover the ruthless businessman he could be.

Yes exactly! Back in Walt's day, those who could afford to buy more tickets got to ride more rides, while the less affluent guests could only go on what they could afford to purchase. It's a similar concept today, just being approached a little differently. They charge the same to enter the parks and once inside everyone can go on everything. But, Disney (and Universal too) apparently believes the profit potential is higher from their resort guests who are staying in their rooms and on-site eating, drinking, and playing 24/7 for the duration of their stay, so they (I believe rightfully) offer some extra bene's to ensure those rooms stay filled as much as possible.
 
You also prove my point "more money for Disney" regardless. Hotel perks should be hotel perks and park passes should be park passes. If you give me a different park experience, give me a different park price. Why am I paying the same price as you when my experience was less?

As for your "nobody is making me go" comment, I didn't say anyone was. I'm doing it for my children. Sheesh..you offend a Disney groupie with the truth and it's like your the unpopular kid on the playground. ;)
Try an on site stay & I guarantee you will change your mind & attitude.
 

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