Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[monothingie]

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So, I came across this slide in all the hysteria around the Florida bill. And this type of thing is why the majority of parents support the bill. And this is only the official state curriculum. Individual schools and teachers teach other things that are simply inappropriate for children. Parents, while watching school on zoom are now aware of these things. I mean, do 10 year olds really need to be taught about masturbation by a teacher?

This is from New Jersey.

As a resident of New Jersey, I can firmly say that we firmly discourage reproduction in this state. Does the world really need more people from New Jersey circulating around the globe?

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

My comment has absolutely nothing to do with homeschoolers and everything to do with the increasing numbers of people who believe in conspiracy theories and things that have already been proven false.

Really?

Parents should have more say in their children’s education.

No, they shouldn't

Seems to me that it had “everything to do with” any parents having more say in their children’s education, because that would lead to…

children being taught that the Earth is flat.

Is that not an obviously false generalization?

 

[BuddyThomas]

What do you mean nice try? Do you think most parents are aware that their 10 year olds are being spoken to about masturbation? Do you think that's appropriate?

I had a comprehensive sex education class in 6th grade, and strangely enough, it did not warp my fragile little mind.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The "or" says "or in a manner that is not appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

And I will happily provide the link to the bill: https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sect...ocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=1557&Session=2022

You could just say you aren’t going to bother reading anything. The text has been posted and read. That clause expands beyond third grade, which already didn’t include such materials in the curriculum. This is only an issue if you think DeSantis was going to change the curriculum.

 

[GladToBeHear]

This isn't an anti-gay bill. (Yes, I've read it.) This is a parents' rights bill. It's an anti-grooming bill. It's not a "Don't Say Gay" bill. Please just stop. No one is taking your rights away. Discussion on sexuality, gender, etc. doesn't belong in a public school classroom with 5-8 year olds. It belongs at home. Full stop. Let parents be parents and teachers be teachers. Discussion of sexuality/gender with small children isn't teaching. It's grooming. You can question the political motives/intent behind the bill all you want -- but it still doesn't take away any of its core merits.

Then Disney decides to go step into a big pile of doo-doo -- and now I have to respond in kind. They could've stayed out of it. They should've stayed out of it. This whole thing might've passed fairly quickly and life would've gone on. But they just had to take a stand. A delayed, half- one at that. And now they double-down and say they're going to produce even MORE LGBT+ content for young children. So they're now waging (political) war on a large portion of their core audience/fanbase. Families like mine.

So now I've got some difficult decisions to make. Good Lord, I'm starting to hate this company. Walt must be spinning in his grave.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Really?


Seems to me that it had “everything to do with” any parents having more say in their children’s education, because that would lead to…

Is that not an obviously false generalization?

You're reading something into my comment that just isn't there. Stop it.

I have a close friend who homeschooled all 5 of her children and all of her children are very successful.

The idiots touting "flat earth" should NOT be able to influence school curriculums and SHOULD NOT homeschool.

These are not the same groups of people. Nice try, though.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Also, as you probably know but others may not, "drag" goes back to the days of Shakespeare and beyond. As someone who has written a couple of successful shows that call for characters in drag, one of which was nominated for the GLAAD Award for Best Play, I can assure people on here that drag has nothing to do with blackface whatsoever.

The fact that a practice that makes fun of women goes back centuries is certainly no surprise to me. So do mother-in-law jokes, terrible women drivers jokes, nagging wife jokes, etc. Maybe making fun of women doesn't amount to violence, as you say blackface did, but it certainly helped oppress them.

 

[Disney Analyst]

And more is coming.

It’s not just ‘Don’t Say Gay.” Florida also ordered Disney to alter its diversity training | Commentary

For decades, Disney and Florida politicians have had a symbiotic relationship — kind of like dung beetles and skunk cabbage. Much like the beetles pollinate the foul-smelling plants, Disney w…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

Interesting responses.

 

[Magenta Panther]

You're reading something into my comment that just isn't there. Stop it.

I have a close friend who homeschooled all 5 of her children and all of her children are very successful.

The idiots touting "flat earth" should NOT be able to influence school curriculums and SHOULD NOT homeschool.

These are not the same groups of people. Nice try, though.

You favor parents not being allowed to homeschool? They can feed and clothe and house their kids, but they're not allowed to educate them? What the heck?

 

[Casper Gutman]

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So, I came across this slide in all the hysteria around the Florida bill. And this type of thing is why the majority of parents support the bill. And this is only the official state curriculum. Individual schools and teachers teach other things that are simply inappropriate for children. Parents, while watching school on zoom are now aware of these things. I mean, do 10 year olds really need to be taught about masturbation by a teacher?

An amendment was proposed to the Florida bill to prohibit ALL discussion of sexual acts in K-3. In fact, two such amendments were proposed, one in each chamber, one by a Republican. They were rejected by the champions of this bill. If they were worried about curriculum like the one you cite, they could have extended such a ban to 5 or 6 or 7. But they didn't. Why?

Also, all the bill needs to do is prohibit the kind of instruction legislators don't want. Why include the unconventional lawsuit mechanism?

I feel like folks have asked these questions a couple dozen times in this thread without receiving answers.

 

[waltography]

I see every Disney account on Instagram is posting the same message today that they stand for inclusiveness ect

I love Disney but I am so disappointed in them. They get caught out by the public and then flip flop for weeks deciding how to respond.

As a gay man, my husband, son and I go to places like Disney because we feel we won’t be judged or feel awkward.

It’s one thing after another with their PR atm.

I’m disappointed

I will say that the reason a lot of different Disney divisions are posting similar statements on Instagram/Twitter/Facebook is because it's not Disney Corporate that's creating these messages, but the social media teams who are posting then logging off to join the walkout.

Unfortunately, the public views Disney as a monolith, so it comes across worse than the intention actually is.

 

[Disstevefan1]

My comment is not related to this issue, but everyone who pays taxes wants their public schools to do, or not do, teach, or not teach what they want because as a taxpayer, they feel they are paying for it so they want to have a say.

Sometimes there are laws passed folks do not agree with, sometimes there are unions who make decisions folks do not agree with.

All education, including public education, is what you make of it.

For ultimate control, the only answer is home school.

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

An amendment was proposed to the Florida bill to prohibit ALL discussion of sexual acts in K-3. In fact, two such amendments were proposed, one in each chamber, one by a Republican. They were rejected by the champions of this bill. If they were worried about curriculum like the one you cite, they could have extended such a ban to 5 or 6 or 7. But they didn't. Why?

Also, all the bill needs to do is prohibit the kind of instruction legislators don't want. Why include the unconventional lawsuit mechanism?

I feel like folks have asked these questions a couple dozen times in this thread without receiving answers.

Would you be in support of the bill if it had those amendments?

 

[Armerius]

You're a 50 year old gay man, correct?

I would suggest that you might not be entirely tuned in to what "the kids" are up to these days, as it were. There's a lot buried in the + that doesn't have much of anything to do with LGBT.

The TikTok teens are into some weird stuff.

weird like? some samples would be nice. you know for research purposes...

 

[Casper Gutman]

And more is coming.

It’s not just ‘Don’t Say Gay.” Florida also ordered Disney to alter its diversity training | Commentary

For decades, Disney and Florida politicians have had a symbiotic relationship — kind of like dung beetles and skunk cabbage. Much like the beetles pollinate the foul-smelling plants, Disney w…

www.orlandosentinel.com

In a Culture War you need villains, And no villain is more exciting then the huge, family entertainment conglomerate, perhaps the most recognizable brand in the world. The focus on Disney is only going to intensify, especially with the slate of films they are releasing this year.

 

[MickeyWaffleCo.]

You're reading something into my comment that just isn't there. Stop it.

I have a close friend who homeschooled all 5 of her children and all of her children are very successful.

The idiots touting "flat earth" should NOT be able to influence school curriculums and SHOULD NOT homeschool.

These are not the same groups of people. Nice try, though.

I’m literally using quotes from your comment. I’m not reading anything into it. I’m reading exactly what is there.

That’s great that you support homeschool, but your previous comment simply makes it sound like you don’t support more parental control of education at all because it may lead to some bad apples also gaining more control. That’s the concern I have with it.

(And I’m getting really tired of your “nice try, though”s)

 

[GladToBeHear]

My comment is not related to this issue, but everyone who pays taxes wants their public schools to do, or not do, teach, or not teach what they want because as a taxpayer, they feel they are paying for it so they want to have a say.

Sometimes there are laws passed folks do not agree with, sometimes there are unions who make decisions folks do not agree with.

All education, including public education, is what you make of it.

For ultimate control, the only answer is home school.

Or just keep it out of the public school and let it be taught at home. Where it belongs.

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

You're a 50 year old gay man, correct?

I would suggest that you might not be entirely tuned in to what "the kids" are up to these days, as it were. There's a lot buried in the + that doesn't have much of anything to do with LGBT.

The TikTok teens are into some weird stuff.

Speaking of TikTok, that’s another reason this bill exists. A lot of TikTok famous teachers are posting very strange classroom lessons.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

For ultimate control, the only answer is home school.

Municipal control of education is a middle ground that I advocate loudly for. States the size of Florida and California are too big to be effective policy-makers in the same way that the Federal government can be. Even countywide school districts are too big, in my opinion. My school district is a single town with two elementary schools, one middle school, and one high school. Parents here have a real voice in how things are run.