Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

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TP2000

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Putting aside the reliance on a Daily Wire poll, a completely untrustworthy organization, this is an odd piece.

The Daily Wire is a conservative organization, to be sure. But they used national polling firm Lucid and purposely created a political spread that mirrored the 2020 federal election. I would encourage everyone to go read the Daily Wire poll and its results, but here's a good summary...

The national poll of U.S. adults was conducted over the weekend by market research technology platform Lucid on behalf of The Daily Wire. The survey’s 1,000 person sample was 37% Democrat, 32% Republican, and 31% Independent. Consistent with the official 2020 popular vote totals, the poll showed a +4 point advantage for President Joe Biden in the 2020 ballot among the respondents who said they voted in the election.

Unlike other surveys that have relied on a summary of the legislation written by pollsters, The Daily Wire’s researchers presented the respondents in its study with the actual language from the Florida bill’s most criticized passage and then asked them to react to it:
  • The Florida measure is backed by 69% of Republicans, 62% of Democrats, and 57% of Independents. There were also no notable differences among whites (63%), blacks (66%), and Latinos (62%) or by age.
I was not surprised by their poll results. Although I was surprised to see that there wasn't stronger support from Blacks, as they are the strongest supporters of the bill but only by a few percentage points at 66%. In my lifetime experience, it has been my gay friends who are Black who face the most opposition to being gay by their Black families and Black churches. Perhaps that's changing in the Black community?

It's interesting, but not surprising that when the exact language in the bill is presented to a wide range of voters that the bill receives strong support from Americans. And Florida voters trend more conservative than American voters as a whole.

 

Casper Gutman

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The Daily Wire is a conservative organization, to be sure. But they used national polling firm Lucid and purposely created a political spread that mirrored the 2020 federal election. I would encourage everyone to go read the Daily Wire poll and its results, but here's a good summary...

The national poll of U.S. adults was conducted over the weekend by market research technology platform Lucid on behalf of The Daily Wire. The survey’s 1,000 person sample was 37% Democrat, 32% Republican, and 31% Independent. Consistent with the official 2020 popular vote totals, the poll showed a +4 point advantage for President Joe Biden in the 2020 ballot among the respondents who said they voted in the election.

Unlike other surveys that have relied on a summary of the legislation written by pollsters, The Daily Wire’s researchers presented the respondents in its study with the actual language from the Florida bill’s most criticized passage and then asked them to react to it:
  • The Florida measure is backed by 69% of Republicans, 62% of Democrats, and 57% of Independents. There were also no notable differences among whites (63%), blacks (66%), and Latinos (62%) or by age.
I was not surprised by their poll results. Although I was surprised to see that there wasn't stronger support from Blacks, as they are the strongest supporters of the bill but only by a few percentage points at 66%. In my lifetime experience, it has been my gay friends who are Black who face the most opposition to being gay by their Black families and Black churches. Perhaps that's changing in the Black community?

It's interesting, but not surprising that when the exact language in the bill is presented to a wide range of voters that the bill receives strong support from Americans. And Florida voters trend more conservative than American voters as a whole.

The entire point of this thread is that the “plain text” of the bill is intentionally misleading, designed to obscure its actual motive and intent, which, if stated plainly, would not enjoy widespread support. This has been repeatedly illustrated by the rejected amendments, which would have made it into what its legislative supporters pretend it to be, and by the unconventional enforcement method.
 
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TP2000

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The entire point of this thread is that the “plain text” of the bill is intentionally misleading, designed to obscure its actual motive and intent, which, if stated plainly, would not enjoy widespread support. This has been repeatedly illustrated by the rejected amendments, which would have made it into what its legislative supporters pretend it to be, and by the unconventional enforcement method.

I get your point, but for the vast majority of Americans who didn't nerd out in Youth Legislature in high school (I loved Youth Legislature!), that sort of thing just gets lumped in as part of the boring sausage making process of creating laws. Most Americans could care less about what amendments were dropped or what got discussed in committee.

Voters just want to know what the law says once the sausage making in Tallahassee (or DC) is over. Now the voters in Florida know what this bill says, and what it doesn't.

There are reputable conservative outlets. The Daily Wire is not one. At all.

Well, the polling data and full quotes from the bill itself that the Lucid polling firm used to ask a broad range of voters can stand on its own.

But there are plenty more left-leaning media outlets that have done some polling. The ABC News poll was infamously slanted as it failed to quote the actual language in the bill, but this poll from left-leaning Politico did actually paraphrase a small snippet of the actual language from the bill, although they preloaded the question by using the defamatory and inaccurate "Don't Say Gay" label to describe the bill. The results were that the bill only has 34% opposed to it in the Politico poll, and 50% approve it. The poll asked this of respondents...

"As you may know, the Florida legislature has passed a bill – labeled by opponents as the ’Don’t Say Gay’ bill – limiting the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity to Florida school students. Some say that limiting these discussions will protect children from inappropriate classroom topics, while others say it will block important conversations about LGBTQ issues.To what extent do you support or oppose the following items in the bill? Banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity from kindergarten through third grade."

Strongly support = 746 37%
Somewhat support = 268 13%
Somewhat oppose = 230 11%
Strongly oppose = 463 23%
Don’t know / No opinion = 298 15%


 

Sir_Cliff

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I don't know if the Wall Street Journal story about Chapek's woes came up as I kind of bowed out of this thread, but it is very relevant and shows this issue is getting some attention among investors:

Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Bob Chapek made a decision at the start of the year: Disney was staying out of politics.

The strategy was meant in part to help the entertainment giant avoid the culture clashes between executives and employees that have plagued many companies in recent years, said people familiar with his thinking.

Instead, it backfired. The first big test of its policy of neutrality, which came with Florida's recently passed Parental Rights In Education bill -- known by its opponents as "Don't Say Gay" -- exacerbated employee, politician and fan resentment toward Mr. Chapek. Disney initially was silent on the bill, then came out against it after it passed and said it had worked against the legislation behind the scenes.

Marvel Studios, Pixar Animation and Lucasfilm, Disney's three most important studios, released statements in support of the LGBT community and publicly condemned legislation on the table in other states. Prominent division heads apologized to their staff for violating their trust. Employees have staged walkouts, and fans are talking boycotts on social media.

By March 11, Mr. Chapek apologized for his failure to make a strong public statement against the bill, saying he had always opposed it and had privately lobbied against it for weeks. He also promised to pause political giving in Florida and to fight similar legislation in other states.

The Florida bill prohibits instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to third grade and bans it in later grades if not "age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students." Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to sign the bill soon.

Disney is rethinking plans for an all-hands company diversity forum that had been scheduled for April 13, instead considering reframing it as an event focused on LGBT issues, according to people familiar with the matter.

The pile-on comes at a crucial moment for Mr. Chapek, who became CEO in February 2020 and became a solo act atop Disney just three months ago when his former boss, executive chairman Robert Iger, left the company. Even before the Florida issue, investors had sent Disney's share price down near its lowest level in over a year due to slower projected growth at its flagship Disney+ streaming service, economic headwinds including inflation and rising interest rates and the company's heavy debt load.

Some employees and die-hard fans were already chafing at Mr. Chapek's price increases and cost-cutting measures at theme parks. A town hall meeting last year for the elite group of engineers and designers of the parks, many of whom Disney is relocating to Florida from California, ended with the anonymous answer to a survey question about what would solve some problems they had with the relocation plan. "Fire Bob Chapek" was one answer broadcast across the screen, according to people who attended.

Meanwhile, some theme park visitors have posted videos on TikTok and Instagramcalling broken down rides "Chapek'd."

A Disney spokesman pointed out that in its most recent financial results, the company exceeded expectations for profits and streaming subscription growth, and that the company's theme park business has returned in full force, setting records for revenue and operating income last quarter.

Under Mr. Chapek's watch, Disney has invested heavily in improving the experience at its theme parks, the spokesman said, and Mr. Chapek's apology helped lower the temperature between the company's leaders and employees, he added.

The clash between Mr. Chapek and Disney employees is a dramatic example of the friction many companies have seen as workers exercise their power to influence corporate culture and decisions, and demand their employers use their heft to publicly participate in politics.

For Disney especially, both the public and employees have strong feelings about the values the company should express. The icon has around 200,000 employees, a market value of more than $250 billion and has been at the center of entertainment for nearly a century.

Disney's response to the Florida bill managed to offend both progressives, who wanted the company to do and say more to fight the bill, and conservatives, who wanted Disneyto stay out of the debate and now claim it is bowing to liberal agitators within its ranks.

Despite Mr. Chapek's short tenure, with his contract up for renewal in February, several current and former Disney executives described the next 11 months as a critical period for the CEO.

Beginning Tuesday, employees started staging 15-minute daily walkouts at Disneyoffices around the country, and they planned a full-day walkout on March 22. The work stoppages were organized on a newly created website, whereischapek.com, where employees can also download digital backgrounds for videoconferences showing pride flags inscribed with the words, "#DisneyDoBetter." The site has collected nearly 200 anonymous testimonials from employees upset about Disney's reaction to the Florida law. One employee whose division is moving to Florida wrote on the website they were "being asked to relocate our families to a state that does not promote equality or support basic human rights."

Divisions within Disney have taken additional actions to assuage their own fan bases and employees, an unusual step at Disney, where in the past, most important communication on staff issues has come directly from the CEO's office.

On Tuesday, Marvel Studios, the division that makes some of Disney's most profitable films, including "Black Panther" and "Avengers: Endgame," wrote on its Twitter account, "We strongly denounce any and ALL legislation that infringes on the basic human rights of the LGBTQIA+ community."

Lucasfilm, the Disney studio responsible for the Star Wars franchise, posted a similar message on Instagram over the weekend, denouncing the Florida bill, and also similar measures in Texas and Idaho.

A Disney spokesman said the company's corporate office was aware of the statements before they went out.

Employees at Pixar, Disney's digital animation studio responsible for films such as "Toy Story" and "Monsters, Inc.," sent a letter to Disney's leaders denying Mr. Chapek's claim Disney programming championed LGBT story lines, saying that Disney had censored displays of same-sex affection from its titles, according to parts of the letter posted on Twitter.

"I know that trust in our company may take time to rebuild," Peter Rice, chairman of Disney General Entertainment Content, which creates television shows for Disney-owned channels and streaming services, told his team March 11 in an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, adding that the company can't "create terrific content" without staffers "feeling supported and safe when you come to work."

The Florida legislation controversy is the second public clash in Mr. Chapek's tenure. Last year, he got into a highly publicized contract dispute with "Black Widow" actress Scarlett Johansson that angered many Hollywood creative artists. The salary dispute centered on Disney's decision to release the movie simultaneously on its streaming service and theatrically, which Ms. Johansson said breached her contract. The suit was settled.

Inside Disney, Mr. Chapek had earlier clashed with Imagineers -- a title for the elite group of engineers and designers of Disney's theme parks -- after telling many of them they would be moving from offices in Southern California to a new corporate complex in Orlando. The company planned to move roughly 2,000 workers to Florida, where before Covid-19 it employed more than 75,000 at its Disney World resort and other offices. Company leaders have said they wanted to move the employees to Florida to centralize parks operations and take advantage of lucrative state tax credits.

Disney could get an estimated $570 million in tax breaks over 20 years for moving the employees, according to a person familiar with the matter. The Imagineers began to call the top executive "Bob Paycheck," employees said.

Several Imagineers have left Disney in the past few months, said people familiar with the matter. Some cited conservative Florida politics, which they said were at odds with the values the company espoused in its diversity-and-inclusion philosophy, as a reason to avoid moving there.

Park attendance remains healthy, but inflation and price increases have driven up the expense of a day at Disney World, where a Miss Piggy backpack that retailed for $80 in 2020 now costs $95, and a Pineapple Dole Whip frozen treat jumped $1 to $6.99, fans have noted on Disney travel websites.

"There's been more animosity towards Chapek, especially related to the parks, than I've seen before," said Rich Greenfield, a media analyst with LightShed Partners in New York. Mr. Chapek "really needs to lay out a very clear plan for strategically where Disneyis heading and execute against it" over the next year, Mr. Greenfield said.

Traditional media companies such as Disney are trying to adapt to the streaming era to better compete with tech giants such as Netflix Inc. Much of Hollywood is entrenched in its ways, and the transition to a streaming-first mentality has been bumpy. People close to Mr. Chapek said he views himself as an outsider and that his unique perspective and distance from the Hollywood establishment will allow him to more effectively roll out new ways of doing business, even if it upsets people used to working the old way.

Unlike his predecessor, Mr. Iger, who rose to the top as a creative executive, Mr. Chapek spent the bulk of his 25-year career at Disney in consumer products and theme parks.

Mr. Chapek reorganized Disney's movie and television content pipelines to give far more power to business and distribution executives -- instead of creative-content makers -- in determining what programming to invest in and which platform is ideal for a given movie or TV show. Mr. Chapek installed one of his longtime deputies, Kareem Daniel, in the key role of content gatekeeper in October 2020. The move prioritized the Disney+ and Hulu streaming services and was necessary to keep up with how content is being consumed, Mr. Chapek said at the time.

In Florida last week, Mr. DeSantis, a Republican, called out Disney by name, saying the company is hypocritical for making money on family entertainment while speaking out against the bill. Mr. DeSantis cited the company's work in China, arguing that Disneyshould answer for doing business in a country accused of human-rights abuses. At a meeting with supporters, Mr. DeSantis vowed to sign the bill into law, saying he wouldn't bow to pressure from "woke corporations."

Mr. Chapek defended Disney's initial approach to the Florida measure, including his decision not to publicly oppose the bill, by saying that Disney preferred to work "behind the scenes" rather than allow the company to become a "political football" by making a public statement opposing the measure.

In the weeks leading up to the bill's passage, Disney's top lobbyist in Florida, Leticia Adams, met with at least three lawmakers to try to soften the language in the bill, according to members of the Florida Senate and House of Representatives.
I think this shows this PR blow up is a bigger deal for Disney and particularly Bob Chapek than some people would think. It certainly adds to the perception that his time is running out.
 
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marymarypoppins

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Well, I haven't done the research into that, but if the big wave of transitions is really due to role of schools, they haven't been neutral enough imho. But there are way more ways to fix that. If there's such a worry about the way good information, why isn't the bill used to form a frame what's part of that 'good information' and what teachers shouldn't and should do. Define the details for what is and isnt age appropriated and maybe create some general, high quality lessons for this.

The current bill does nothing to fix that problem: it only prevents the school from giving any information. Kids with questions will find their information elsewhere.

This bill is a way bigger limit on more than what you mentioned. And with the bill being so vague (on purpose?), there's a risk of even more censure on this social theme.
An appropriate lesson on gender identity for lets say PK, K and 1st would be read the book RED to them. Talk about how you can be one way on the outside but feel differently on the inside and never have to bring up gender or sexuality. It could be a very casual and short but a meaningful lesson and as they get older you build on it .

 
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Casper Gutman

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An appropriate lesson on gender identity for lets say PK, K and 1st would be read the book RED to them. Talk about how you can be one way on the outside but feel differently on the inside and never have to bring up gender or sexuality. It could be a very casual and short but a meaningful lesson and as they get older you build on it .
This would almost certainly incite a lawsuit under this bill. Remember, an amendment was proposed IN BOTH HOUSES (by a Republican in the Senate) banning all discussion of human sexuality in K-3 and it was rejected BY BOTH HOUSES because it would "gut" the bill, according to one of its legislative sponsors. And the lawsuit mechanism itself is a relatively new innovation intended to complicate judicial review and to incite fear and uncertainty among administrators and teachers due to the very real threat of the arbitrary and illogical application of the law.

There were ways to write this bill to do what its defenders on here believe it is intended to do. It was NOT written that way.
 

marymarypoppins

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This would almost certainly incite a lawsuit under this bill. Remember, an amendment was proposed (by a Republican) banning all discussion of human sexuality in K-3 and it was rejected because it would "gut" the bill, according to one of its legislative sponsors. And the lawsuit mechanism itself is a relatively new innovation intended to complicate judicial review and to incite fear and uncertainty among administrators and teachers due to the very real threat of the arbitrary and illogical application of the law.

There were ways to write this bill to do what its defenders on here believe it is intended to do. It was NOT written that way.
I live in a very red state and teach in a very rural little cattle town and have had zero complaints on this very lesson/book. It could be because I don’t tie it in directly to gender identity and weave it into my daily academic lessons.

Let me be honest as a lower elementary teacher I simply don’t have time for formally teaching all the extras daily . My focus in on things like phoneme segmentation, decoding initial middle and ending sounds, knowing ordinal numbers , counting groups of items and matching with the correct number etc etc etc.. Any daily social studies/ science they get is weaved into the Language Arts curriculum in our big books and leveled readers. For example the last 3 weeks my until theme for Reading has been Plants. I can assure you all new curriculum is designed to be very diverse. Now I do have days where an afternnon block is dedicated to a science lesson and experiment/ social studies lesson/big art project but to do this daily there is no way to fit it in thanks to standardize testing requirements.
 

Lilofan

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I don't know if the Wall Street Journal story about Chapek's woes came up as I kind of bowed out of this thread, but it is very relevant and shows this issue is getting some attention among investors:


I think this shows this PR blow up is a bigger deal for Disney and particularly Bob Chapek than some people would think. It certainly adds to the perception that his time is running out.
If his contract is not renewed Feb 2023, exit strategy will surely be with golden parachute.
 

lazyboy97o

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I live in a very red state and teach in a very rural little cattle town and have had zero complaints on this very lesson/book. It could be because I don’t tie it in directly to gender identity and weave it into my daily academic lessons.
And how would you like to be reprimanded, punished or even dismissed because one single parent did complain because they unreasonably read too much into the situation?
 

marymarypoppins

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You missed the point of that question. That situation could actually potentially happen under the bill in Florida.
"The text states that teachings on sexual orientation or gender identity would be banned “in kindergarten through grade 3 that is not in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”"

My example is age level appropriate so I would not be fired! It is very interesting how so many are against that language in the bill! It is almost as if many are OK with material that is is not developmental appropriate being taught to a child. Maybe there is some truth to this grooming conspiracy.
 

lazyboy97o

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"The text states that teachings on sexual orientation or gender identity would be banned “in kindergarten through grade 3 that is not in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”"

My example is age level appropriate so I would not be fired! It is very interesting how so many are against that language in the bill! It is almost as if many are OK with material that is is not developmental appropriate being taught to a child. Maybe there is some truth to this grooming conspiracy.
It’s not about what you or even 99.9999999% of the population thinks is age appropriate. One unreasonable parent is all it takes to cause an issue. A school district writing a letter explaining how whatever is widely used, developed by professionals and was approved as part of an open curriculum development process is meaningless to that one unreasonable person who has now been given undue power to act. Nothing about Florida allowed for the supposed problems this bill addresses. I’ve posted the relevant laws. Nobody has provided a link to a district’s age inappropriate materials that are approved at open school board meetings. The whole purpose is enabling the lawsuits. l that don’t require reasonableness of consensus.
 
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Californian Elitist

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"The text states that teachings on sexual orientation or gender identity would be banned “in kindergarten through grade 3 that is not in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”"

My example is age level appropriate so I would not be fired! It is very interesting how so many are against that language in the bill! It is almost as if many are OK with material that is is not developmental appropriate being taught to a child. Maybe there is some truth to this grooming conspiracy.
Doesn’t matter. If teacher hypothetically answers a question from a student regarding gender identity or sexual orientation and a teacher happens to briefly discuss it with the kids, they could be setting themselves up for potential trouble. A parent suing over this wouldn’t care about what’s considered age-level appropriate or not if they disagree that the teacher said anything at all about the topic.

Also, we’re not talking about your job in whatever conservative state you live in. Try to relate this to the subject at hand, which is Florida and their bill.
 

DisneyHead123

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Which concerns? And how would you suggest Dems address them? Especially considering that there's a segment of the religious right that will never believe that being LGBTQ+ isn't wrong?
Concerns about the recent, huge spike in transgenderism among students, and if this is or isn’t related to social contagion and suggestibility in children. Concerns about what students are being taught on the topic when good information is hard to come by either way, regarding curriculum specifics. Remember that a lot of this angst started during Covid because parents were actually seeing what their kids were being taught for the first time… I think we shouldn’t have situations where parents are fairly clueless about what their kids are learning.

As we talked about before, to my mind the middle ground here is increased transparency. Start with policies requiring lesson plans to be made available to parents, and then create an appeal process if parents object to specific content, where the parent has to show said content is truly not age appropriate in whatever way.
 

flynnibus

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If anything, it will encourage people to move. Encouraging parental involvement in schools is not a fringe position. Discouraging sex talk in K-3 is not a fringe position.

The way it’s being framed, as “don’t say gay” would be a fringe position. But thankfully, after reading the bill in question, I can confidently say that’s not what it’s about!

The school curriculum is already dictated by appointed roles at the state, and elected officials at the local level. People elect people to lead the subject matter experts in the field. That's where parents have a say - with leadership. And, they already have this!

The curriculum is already controlled - it's not rouge. There is no need for this kind of language in legislation except to overstep, playcate certain audiences, and weaponize disagreement.
 
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